i think in order to understand my question, we may need to explore what ‘Pre-Somali’ was thought to be or for that matter if 'we’ve' reached that stage? To paraphrase a more eloquent mortal, I cannot begin to comprehend the confusion of ideas that could provoke such a thread.

Blackflash;863569 wrote: A great day for the Ummah! This will surely resolve every problem in Egypt! Abu Nasir bin Fatwa is reported to have heard Abdul Salaam say that he reported to have heard a cat meow that the Prophet puhb say 'the ummah shall rise when the hair is obscured' Hadith according to several people

Quackery is on the rise everywhere. I don't know if you've seen it but Dawkins did an excellent documentary on the topic. Here's a link. I watched that ages ago, I recall something about the NHS subsidizing loony docs to help cancer patients, might be wrong. Wonder if there are any Somali physicists at CERN, now that would be impressive. They could explain it all in Somali, "Higgs Boson wuxu yahay....LHC waa machine weyn raadinaya particle yariis.....bla bla"

An impartial piece of writing on Mohamed and muslims flap about like a gaggle of blithering geese in hot soup only to dismiss the works five minutes later citing some Hadith stating not everyone is safe from the Devils far reaching appendages to see Mohamed's light/truth/nonsense. As soon as the same author concedes that yes he did manage to achieve something or the other, say convince a bunch of people he wasn't joking, cue the frightfully silly Arabic phrases. If you familiarized yourself with the works of Voltaire, you wouldn't be so quick to rely on him to substantiate your beliefs. Here's a fine paragraph on his views on Islam, that he later cited Christianity as a far greater evil doesn't make this statement any less true. But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him. Voltaire (Referring to Muhammad, in a letter to Frederick II of Prussia (December 1740), published in Oeuvres complètes de Voltaire, Vol. 7 (1869), edited by Georges Avenel, p. 105)

Chimera;55983 wrote: Dr. Khadra Kahin is a board certified chiropractor and the founder and president of MYH Inc. She currently practices in Flint, Michigan. Dr. Kahin is a strong advocate of health and wellness and feels that it is essential to have a wellness organization committed to helping children successfully battle obesity and achieve optimal health. Not to pooh-pooh this young ladies achievements, but a chiropractor does not a scientist make. Maybe there'll come a Somali scientist who'll create a drug that'll suppress aggression and scatter it about the bloody country. Of course then there's the issue of possibly turning a percentage into hyper-aggressives who'll eat everyone in their path. Hmm

Hayaay! This guy is a serious badman as they say. My day just got made.

acuudu bilaah. somali girl publicly saying she is lesbian. What is it exactly you find shocking, that she's a lesbian or that she's gone public with the info?

Idealizing sharia law whilst living in a secular state is absurd, how many are willing to move to Saudi Arabia and enjoy the 'beauty' of the Islamic system of governance?

Apophis;858109 wrote: ^^ The mystery disappears when you realise for the religious FAITH IS A FACT!! Surely a system lord would be ecstatic about that. Sincerely Jaffa

That 'money doesn't talk, it swears' Can't get a decent job no matter how many doors I knock down Sex is overrated Johnny Cash should've been my dad. All in all I've learnt nothing but how to better handle disappointment.

Haven't visited a forum in years so excuse my lack of posting etiquette if any. I've hit a major snag and I'm hoping I can benefit from your input ladies and gentlemen! There's a fine line between vindictiveness and psychosis, I've come across a few people who I've never been sure which category they fall under. Recently I've had the misfortune of living with one who I think could benefit from a straitjacket and a bucketful of medication, problem is everyone around her seem to be enabling her bat-sh*t crazy a** to continue being the way she is. Her husband has been reduced to a shadow of his former self and yet aside from occasionally threatening to leave, he does nothing. Just listens to her moan and whine and b.i.t.c.h about everything and everyone constantly, especially his mother! He talks to me whenever she isn't around but doesn't dare when she is :-/ Aside from having delusions of grandeur and always playing the victim no matter how many people she hurts, she lies religiously and unashamedly. She talks to you only if it's in her best interest (mostly when she's seeking pity) every morning we go through a ridiculous ritual of my saying some sort of greeting and her waiting 20 seconds or so before she either grunts or most often than not, silence. If she's not having a confrontation with someone it's probably because she's asleep and dreaming one up. Through a series of bad moves I've managed to end up living with her for three months and I've gone from not smoking having given up years ago, to a pack a day. I'm leaving in a week and contemplating never talking to her again but perhaps all the sanka taag and huruufs and the qeylo I've been getting is a cry for help? Surely no one can love so much drama, she must be mad The reason for this rant is to know if anyone else has experienced serious shaqabadon? Not your run-of-the-mill Somali girl drama but serious evil in human form. Do they need a psychiatrist? Or are they simply getting their kicks from making life hell for people? If so isn't that a sign of mental instability? :-/

Originally posted by GDwonder: Honestly, it was too long for me to read, but I believe the responsibilities can be summarized into one point as just be a man! It's gravely important that he squirts at the right moment.

I don't think that point is irrelevant, it's one point you should address. If you were born to white Catholics in Texas you would be extolling the praises of Jesus and not Allah, chew on that. (It's worth repeating you see). Unless of course you're stating that the All Knowing All Loving picked you personally because you're special...which will open up a whole 'nother can of worms. I can see it now, 'if that is the case then don't speak of your belief as a personal choice...' to which you respond, 'that too is irrelevant, Allah is great, momma said so, atheist are stoopid nya nya nya..' Dawkins didn't make me an atheist, Muhammed and all the other cowboys before him (mythical or not) did...

Originally posted by Norfsky: ^Most of what you said there is irrelevant. I would like you to expand on the following however: quote: "How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better that we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My God is a little God and I want him to stay that way.' ..." From Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan (must read}. Dawkins seems to arouse those who knew little about their religion in the first place with such statements. You seem to be prepared to take his word as gospel .

Fleet Foxes. Can't stop listening to Glasvegas either, songs about death, bullying, social workers, stabbings, absent father's and cheating partner's tug at me heart. Noah and The Whale.

Wow, I'm convinced. I shall lower my head to the ground and raise my buttocks (to the heavens no less).

Or am I missing something? You're missing a lot. A whole lot. In fact you wont believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big the information you're missing actually is. I find it disturbing that you and Ibtisam don't seem to register the fact that if you weren't born to Somali parent's but say to Randeep and Hetal down the road you would be singing the praises of Shiva, Brahma, Ganesha, Ram, Indra, Sita, Vishnu, Lakshmi and The Sacred Cow. I know most of these names because I've a co-worker who tells me with the utmost conviction that his religion is great, his God's are powerful and his muslim neighbours have got it stupendously wrong. The overall argument Dawkins is making in the book is pretty well summed up in this quote, "How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better that we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My God is a little God and I want him to stay that way.' ..." From Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan (must read}. Ibtisam, if you find Dawkins irrelevant because he concentrates on the Bible, you should look at Why I'm Not A Muslim by Ibn Warraq.

Dear thread starter, my heart goes out to you. Women being the vile, semi-human, playmates of ye all powerfull phallicially-blessed God's representatives on earth, just don't get IT. IT being that they are tilths unto you (and well quite frankly little else) and that you cannot put your thing into just any opening.. Women, God loves phallus ergo you ought to too, but only if it's attached to the man who owns you (note however that your father's proprietary rights are only temporary hence rule doesn't apply to him). Lying is simply wrong, however since sex can be quite brilliant and there are very few enjoyments in life especially if you're a woman, AND you really cannot confess your sins afterwards...what the heck go for it.

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel: My question for this debate is one I have asked on multiple occasions on this board, only to have it ignored time and time again. Why is evolution automatically associated with atheism? Why the refusal to reconcile belief in a Higher Being with the mechanism of life? Because dear boy, God created Adam from clay and Eve from Adams ribs. This I'm assured by many, is only to be taken literally and if you've an ounce of common sense you would throw god and his stooges to the dogs and say 'I will not equate rational, reasoned, scientific argument to magical thinking, they're not as valid as each other, they're not as valid as each other, they're not as valid as each other, they're simply NOT as valid as each other' after which you'll take a healthy swig of whiskey (any will do) for even further clarity and smack yourself for ever thinking religion was a necessary precursor to you leading a happy existence.

Abu-Salman, you're giving up on proselytizing! I have to pose to you a question you dislike and one you've never quite answered, but in this context I hope you do....why?

Originally posted by *Ibtisam*: ^^^LOL I missed that, been stressed with general life. Link please. Guerilla, I cannot side with one priest over another simply because I do not share the same faith nor values with them. What you think about the ins and outs of something you have rejected is not going to help, as far as you are concerned they are both lost and misguided soo maaha. I didn't call anyone lost or misguided, I happen to share a different outlook on life. That doesn't preclude me from saying anything I like on any topic including this one. I think I've seen enough of this forum

Originally posted by *Ibtisam*: OH WOW Look who is commenting ^^^ I can't comment because I don't follow the same religion? I used to be a Chowdhury fan, I feel obliged to defend the man, he's hardly said anything worth criticizing. 'Allying with the enemy' is a very dangerous term, besides you can hardly blame the man he's living in 'enemy' lands is he not?

I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Tawfique Chowdhury is hardly a hypocrite for advocating for peace. Anywho I think the dangerous person here would be the one who's given a whole new meaning to tawheed, and exactly how does one protect dawah by sacrificing tawheed?

Originally posted by Resistance: thats the difference in gender. religion aside, we all know a woman tat sleeps around is 'h***' all cultures par none, A WHORE is a woman who engages in sexual activities for money. I think the correct term here is promiscuous, and quite frankly "religion aside" there's nothing wrong or unnatural about having multiple sexual partners you dense little being. This article is stupid, she's clearly only married to one man.