I don't see the big fuss with wearing a piece of clothing to 'cover' one self up. Wearing hijab should be a choice-not an act which should be forced upon a Muslim women. Are you a Muslim Sister? If you are then you should read this. One of the most defended actions in Islam is the head covering. Every Muslim girl, at some point in her life will have been questioned as to why a Muslim woman must cover herself and is often looked upon as being constrained in her actions. The first point to remember is that any act done by a Muslim is done for the pleasure of Allah Almighty. If He ordains an act as permissible then it is done. If He prohibits an act then Muslims must refrain from doing it. Allah Almighty is the possessor of all knowledge and we are dependant upon Him for all matters; success, protection, comfort and of course our very existence. He is All Knowing and since He is The Creator He knows what is best for His creation and what will suit humanities needs and requirements. Thus the order for women to cover is a direct commandment of Allah (swt) and cannot be denied and rejected. Women must cover because Allah Almighty has deemed it to be so. That does not mean we cannot inquire into the reasoning behind the commandment or ask for further explanations since this is what the Companions would do in the time of the Holy Prophet (saw). Once a commandment was revealed they would abide by it immediately but still often asked the Holy Prophet (saw) for extra guidance and assistance, for that strengthens the faith and heart. However we should always remember that any acts we do are for the pleasure of Almighty Allah, and reasoning and justifications are merely incidental aspects of faith, which exist so we may become stronger and more committed in our faith in Islam. The order for Muslim women to cover is not an act of oppression or an attempt to shackle her with chains, but is part of a moral standard to be implemented to achieve the betterment of society. Every society has put limits on individuals regarding their attire in order to achieve a balance of rights, a balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of society in which he or she lives. It is strange that people criticize Islam for putting constraints on persons regarding their clothing but no reference is made to what occurs within their own society. There are laws in most countries prohibiting lewd behavior, and if anyone was to walk naked down a street, they would be arrested for acts of public indecency. There are shops, restaurants that prohibit anyone entering there premises unless they are covered to a certain extent. The State allows organizations to implement their own dress codes and rarely do people complain that employees or even customers are being oppressed. During the summer months posters can be seen outside shop windows, restaurants stating that those wearing bikinis or swimming trucks are banned from entering. Why is this type of prohibition permitted and tolerated? The reason is that every society has set a certain standard of moral behavior regarding clothing. It is not thought of as acceptable that people should have the right to strip and walk naked in front of others in public, since this is considered as offending the sensibility of most, and can also cause undue harm to the person stripping, tempting people to insult or even attack that person. That is why there are separate nudist camps so that the public and the nudists themselves can exercise their own rights, but not at the expense of each other, but privately and exclusively. In essence therefore individuals in most societies have certain restrictions on them regarding their attire and Islam is no different. It too has a code of conduct and part of that conduct is to specify respectable clothing. The only difference in Islam is that it too has a law, based on a moral code, but one that is different than the prevailing norm in one society. Just because a certain consensus has been achieved regarding clothing in one society can in no way justify that such a consensus precludes anything else as being permissible. Islam favors modesty in both men and women and considers it an essential part of society, if it is to function properly. Some form of modesty is prevalent in every society, as highlighted above, but it is the extent of modesty that is at the heart of the debate. ‘A’ for instance deems a skirt that reaches below the knee as modest attire and one that reaches above the thigh as immodest . ‘B’ on the other hand deems a skirt that reaches below the ankle as modest and anything shorter as immodest. If however ‘A’ then criticizes ‘B’ for enforcing modest clothing on women calling it subjugation, but allows its own society to put constraint on women’s attire. Is Islam valued on a piece of material? What happend to the deen? The actual believe? If wearing hijab was of importance wouldn't it have been the first pillar or at least mentioned in the 5 pillars? Resistance, my assumption of u is dat u don't know much about Islam and how things are prioritized. Just think alittle bit about what you wrote here.... Let me enlighten u abit about Islam: In Islam there are chapters, and these chapters have nothing to do with each other. Each chapter has its own Hasanaat(good deeds) and if u do a certain chapter and skip another one... Allah will give ur hasanaat for doing that chapter and your dambi for not doing the other one. Now Prayer, Fasting, Zakat, Haj ( am not gonna mention the 1st pillar which is Shahada coz without it u r not a Muslim), are the first chapters. How can u connect with Allah if u r not praying? How can u give back to the society if u are not fasting? How can u show your gratitude to Allah for all his blessings if u r not giving Zakat or Alms? and lastly Wat more do you want than a second chance to correct all the mistakes you did by performing Haj? Sista, for you to me distinguished from the Non-believers a Muslim woman covers her body from head to toe with the exceptions of her hands and face...although covering them is a Sunnah.. If u need proof here it is: The first of these requirements details the parts of the body which must be covered, and the main verse that contains the injunctions of clothing for women are in “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ( must) ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty save to their husbands, or their fathers or husbands fathers, or their sons or their husbands sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sisters sons’ or their women, or the slaves whom their right hand posses, or male servant free of physical desire, or small children who have no sense of sex……†If for example you choice to wear hijab then ofcourse everyone will praise you for your action however that is because you fulfilled the image of what they want to see in a Muslim women. However were you NOT to wear then you get riducled and criticed because you lack, in their eyes, a piece of clothing they consider is of significant to Islam. Its like this, Suppose your friend and you have started university together, your friend graduated while you dropped out.... People are gonna praise her for getting her degree and criticize you for dropping out.... So your value degraded because of a piece of paper Anyways that is the best I could do to show you the right path.. if u r still not convinced am not sure I can do any more.. but if u need to be enlighten.. i will try my best.

^^^ I don't think I agree brotha Farm. We make jokes with people we know. I would be rather astounished to find someone I don't even know joking with me... its just absurd. But once I have built enough confidence to be able to joke with u, than I am sure it doesn't cause any harm, if we joke about stereotypes or racist jokes. For example, all blacks call each other nigga...but a white or a non-black can not dare to call u by that.. so if I being a black woman use the word nigga its fine, coz they know I don't mean it the way a white person might. Or if my friend who is white and I know her too well, calls me hey nigga gurl! I won't be bothered why? coz I know her... so it depends on who is saying it and to whom.

One day three hunters were captured by cannibals. They were told to each bring 10 of their favorite fruit. Hunter #1 brought 10 apples. The cannibals told him, " We are gonna try to stick all the 10 apples in up ur a$$ and if u make any kind of noise, we will eat u". Half way thru the second one he screamed and was eaten. Hunter #2 came back with 10 grapes. They told him the same thing and started stacking the grapes. As the last grape was about to be inserted, he started laughing histerically. And he was eaten. In heaven, Hunter #1 asked him, " U only had one more to go why did you laugh?" Hunter #2, " I couldn't help but imagine wat was gonna happen to hunter #3 coz he was bringing pineapples".

Ever thought about the ways our parents or those preceeding them used to date?.. Well let me enlighten you a little bit and if u can add more, feel free…Basically there were two ways…Of course the modern Somali way it is…but the country part is quite different. 1. The guy sees the girl, he tries to trace her to someone he knows who would do the pep talk for him. When finally finds that person, the person talks to the girl. A date is set for the two to meet along with the middle-man (well dat is wat I call them). It can be either at the middle-man’s house or a restaurant. The talking begins and nature is let take its toll… Let me give you an example…My mom when she was studying the basics of nursing in Jamame (that is a little town 60 Kms south of Kismayo), an accident occurred in the operation theater. The patient died on the table (before the surgery…most probably an overdose of anesthesia ). Anyways the case was taken to court and the nurses in the theater including my mom were asked to testify. There was this lawyer who came from Mogadishu representing the defendant. He saw my mom and of course couldn’t resist ( mind u my mom is very beautiful… wondering how I missed out on it), anyways he traced her all the way to Jamame. And one of them days, there was a knock at my mom’s door. It was a guy who went to the same school she did. He asked if he could talk to her, and when she stepped outside the lawyer was there as well. He told her of the lawyer’s intention. Although she didn’t make it with the lawyer…but that was the story 2. The guy writes a letter to the girl revealing his intentions (which were mostly marriage) and if the girl is ready, she asks him to meet her at her house. He comes to the family and makes his intentions known, and from there their dating beings. Example: There is my cousin now who is still dating this guy. They live in Abu Dhabi, but way they date is typical Somali way…although she didn’t grow up in Somalia. Guled (her boyfriend…well he is more like a fiancé coz the whole family knows) saw her at a wedding in Dubai, and in the same wedding he wrote a small note stating his interest. She responded back asking him to come to Abu Dhabi if he wanted her and to meet the family. He didn’t only come by himself but he brought his family as well. And since then they have been together.. soon I am waiting for the wedding bells. Anyways I don’t know about you gurls, but I am jealous. I mean common we would all love to have that kind of devotion given to us. Someone tracing me, or bringing his family so that he can win a date… So my question is, how did we end up loosing a tradition this great? Where are the real brothers who did things candidly and openly made their intentions known? Nowadays, they are all suffering from cold feet….. Damn you “Dhul Gaalâ€.

^^ STILL!!! U r roaming around in the female section...didn't I warn u??? :mad: Ooops Just kidding MOth: This is my favorite 9. We never have to reach down every so often to make sure our privates are still there. I always wondered why they do that... I guess they just need reassurance :rolleyes:

^^^ Jamal: It was supposed to convey a more conventional messsage. Learning to communicate... Rend: Do u think wat this husband was doing is serving his family??

^^^^ u better not.. u r in women's section... u won't know wat hit u or from where

^^^ If you guys would just step outside and stay away from this section then we surely would have had better things to talk about. But since you guys are crawling in here everyday, we r just amusing ourselves by waging war on u.

XU you wrote: Oh I'm sorry, I guess the Iraqi refugees I worked with in asylum centres and who claimed to have directly suffered under his regime were all opportunistic liars who just love to play the victim.... sure. Can't that be possible, I mean we know that many Somalis when they got to the Western world and started seekeing Assylum lied about everything... how can u say for sure that it doesn't apply to the Iraqis as well? Back to the Topic: I don't think humilating Saddam will have any postive impact on the Iraqi war, if any it will revolt the Iraqis against the US. Sometimes I just wonder if really Saddam was captured, coz seriously think about it... The al qasr, that lil village gave the americans the hassle of their lives yet Baghdad they entered with no resistance..? Not even a single fight... is dat a possibility?

Mizz: I am not in Lahore anymore, I forgot to change it. I am in Abu Dhabi now. I was loosing wat I knew and gaining nothing...so I asked why stay and waste time? My mom wanted me to wear Hijab for the last 8 years. I never did put it on... when she screamed to shut her up I used to wear a bandana. But Alxamdulilaah, I came around on my own... I guess u can say Allah hadaani. Subxanallah just one day out of the blue I woke up, went to the bathroom did my Ghusul and wudu... started praying and then I told my mom.. lets go we r going shopping and don't ask me questions. She came with me, and I bought skirts, long sleeved shirts, scarfs. My mom just stood there stunt. Wondering wat in the world came over me... and I just smiled back and told her.. " Hoyo maanta laga bilaabo am gonna be a good girl".

Near a train station lived a poor couple. For ten years the husband has been threatening his wife every night before they slept, " If you don't wake up early in the morning and boil water for my shower, you will see what will happen to you". The poor wife, boiled water for him obediently. And the one day her neighbor asked her, " Why do you always wake up this early to boil water?" The wife said, " My husband will get mad at me if I don't boil water for him every morning." The neighbor felt that it was time to train this poor obedient wife on how to say No to her husband. Then one night the husband gave his wife the usual threat...but this time the wife responded, " What are you going to do?" The husband smiled and said, " I will take a shower with cold water".

loooooooooooooooooooooool..........dat just hit the jackpot

And if Im a sister who doesn't wonder about those things then wat does that make me?

Moth that was realy funny.......Thnx for the laughter........More pls

Modest: I am sure there are brothers who are decent.... If u want I will hook u up with my brotha.. we have been trying to find a good sista... And No.. he can find one himself.. but mom doesn't trust the "islawareegayasha" as she calls them to catch her oldest son....

Mizz: Wearing the Hijab doesn't stop me from mixing and matching sis... I do wear all kinds of colors and take care of my look...but still.. now ppl don't judge me because of the way I look, rather they seem to see me beyong my physical appearance and I like it...

Lexus: I surely didn't want it then and I don't want it now. Seriously after I started dating, I can't seem to get past a man without thinking of how he would be like. Its crazy but its the truth. especially when the attraction exists... although now I have started being more into the religion, I guess some bad habits die hard. Mizz: I think u guys should cut the lil sista some slack.

Mizz: Dat is exactly how I feel now that I have started wearing the Hijab " Liberated ".

A woman can lead prayers if there are a bunch of women who want to pray "Jam'a" but she will not stand apart from the first line, rather she will stand next her fellow muslimah's contrary to the male imam, where he stands infront. However, a woman can never lead a man in prayer and she can never stand next or infront of him, her place is behind him. And the reason is not to distract him with temptation, of course the sheydan is doing his work. But its true wat the sista wrote, I agree with her... I was one of those mislead women who saw feminism as the ultimate liberators, but I guess I need the light of Allah to see otherwise.

When I was 18 I didn't even know wat Shukaansi was let alone recieve love letters like these.... The world have indeed changed :confused:

Cave: If u read my first post I wasn't pointing fingers rather making fair judgment. But our brotha Hadaa has given my initial post a twist and hence the finger pointing. But I still support my arguements that both sides are guilty and we need to think of bringing in a third party, and since the parents and the elderly folks aren't around to do so, maybe an expert Somali team that helps married couple in adaptation while still retaining their values.

Hadaad: I think u r one of those Somalis who live in make belief worlds, with the assumption that we are not the way we are. I am sorry bro.. but a father's or husband's role is mandatory not one that is based on need. U kept on emphasizing that its based on need.. and I beg to differ. My observations is based on reality and I don't intend to throw a blind eye or a deaf ear on it. So accept it brotha, Somali men are not doing their job well.

G-Credit I am still Pro Somalia walaalkiis... but that doesn't mean I don't recognize Somaliland's progress... dat is all... And about the flag well lets just say my Northern Cousins are on my case.. and I promised them that I would have the flag for just May.

But that doesn't give us the reason to be unwelcoming does it? I think we can let the Non-Somalis among us learn from us... I think visiting forums of different countries makes it easy for one to learn about different cultures without having to visit that particular country

Maskiin macruuf: Walee adigaa..... Hibo Big mac lee fastfood ka cuntaa ee ku *** aa lagu dhahay haye.............I swear man that was the only fastfood burger I liked...........damn....Now there it goes... I guess Halimos are not that dumb after...