Unknown, Ha ha ha...beentaas yaad rabtaa inaa u sheegtid. I know you abaayo. You must have been confusing the shuko you wear for a khamiis. Kulahaa, I am male. Very funny. I didn't know you were a comedian abaayo.

Originally posted by unknown1: i hate those who likes qabiil,democrazy,anti-islam. we have leaders who r like this. So what? Everybody hates you, including my young brother.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: DQ, No i don't want to knock that door now. It is widely available and i'm not ready to discuss that right now. If its widely available, I haven't noticed it, especially coming from you. I am trying to have a decent dialogue with you right now, but you tell me ya aint ready to have a discussion. The last time I checked, this place was a discussion forum, mise to you its a place to post articles from other internet websites.If you've gotten cold feet at the last moment, it is fine. Just let me know, when you're ready to have a discussion.

^^^and who do you hate miss unknown, except my young brother who dumped you on that cold winter night...tell me? As for the 3 major clans...everybody hates them, including the 3 major clans themselves!

But why do you want that? Everything a person wants and does must have a logical reason behind it, unless ofcourse they're mad like little miss Unknown, here. I know jacaylbaro that our northern brothers are not mad; so what is the main reason? The gist of it all, in one short paragraph, if you will.

Masha Allah....Clearly everything is tulips and roses in Somaliland. Now tell me again, why you guys want to secede?

^^^ hey have you lost it? Don't you know your name? I will let you know your name in private, I wont spoil your cyber persona that you have on SOL. I gotz yo back kid!

^^^ haa walaal...It just that gabar yar baa ii wareerisay? Nayaa unknown i dhagayso, I know your name, yaan ku qarxininee meesha ka tag. Waa kuu digayaa... Jacaylbaro, this kid keeps distracting me, I forgot my line of thought. Tell me more about the so-called "remarkable development", you refered to earlier that the late mayor of berbera brought about.

Waa ilowbay, walaakay used to date you...I rememebr you young lady. Unknown kulahaa...dont make me tell everyone your real name.

what are you talking about dude, Nur cade is the leader of the shabab cimaamad wearing buffoons? Yaa beentaas kuu sheegay unknown? Hopefully you didnt read that at kitaab.net

who the hell is nur cade? is he the dead resistance leader you're talking about? I never mentioned him. where on earth is jacaylbaro?

unknown, am happy in Xamar duckin the bombs of the cleaning lady killers but these days no one bothers me...I started wearing one of dem Yassar arafat rags on my head. Nobody messes with me. I wish the cleaning ladies had cimaamado on their heads, the day they got murdered.

How about the other cities? Are they also content with their leadership? You Boorame,Burco, Berbera and the like.

^^^ To Jacaylbaro, So even though they are not perfect, you're happy with them, right?

Jacaybaro, tell me about the local administration of Hargeisa. That is the mayor and his administration. What do they do with taxes collected in the city, if the do collect it. Do they build schools for hargeisa, hospitals, roads, basic municipal stuff, huh? I aint talking about riyale or the work of the NGOs and islaama ha dabada lacagta kasoo xawila.

But saaxiib, how can we have peace when every tom, dick and harry wants to be the president of Somalia? Everybody wants the glory of the power of the office, but none of the responsiblity. These guys don't realise that it aint about the title and the foreign trips. Its about providing for the people. Water, electricity,sanitation, health care, jobs, education and infrastructure. Saaxiib, the fact that we dont have any decent people who can assume leadership roles amongst us goes to show how useless a soceity we are as a whole. Jacaylbaro, I know you from the north. What city were born in? And ha iga baqin, I just want to ask you a follow-up question afterwards. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

I have always argued that decentralization is the way to go for Somalia. I can't see why, each and every Somali cannot just return to their respective hometowns and try to rebuild our nation from the bottom up. I once wrote the following... Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: The only way to "reduce the appeal of the highest office in the land(the presidency)to just another job" is to decentralize power to the provincial level. "Cantonize" the country, just like Switzerland! Each province in Somalia becomes its own state. The so-called "Somaliland" will not be ruled outta Hargeisa, but rather the constituent provinces of Somaliland--Awdal, Waqooyi Galbeed and Togdheer will each go there seperate ways and have their own independent state governments. SSC will persue their own destiny, respectively, without any outside influence from either Puntland nor Somaliland. Puntland itself must seize to exist and allow the formation of self-administered automounous provincial governments by Bari, Nugaal and Mudug. The rest of the country will follow along this path of decentralization. This will ensure that the power of the central government gets so watered down that it wont be worth the hustle for dumb warlords and false jihadists to fight over. dhulQarnayn, Republic Of California p.s Al-Buracaawi Am working on a constitution just like you did. Mine is modelled after the Swiss constitution. I think you will find it very agreeable. Will post it once am done.

How do you rebuild Somalia whose fabric, as a nation, is in tatters? Such a question, as startling as it maybe, does not even begin to capture the magnitude of disaster which we Somalis brought on ourselves. One must live it, and especially be the victim of it over and over again to be fully appreciative of the calamity. But, if one is to try to address what the pregnant-with-a- problem question begs, which is a solution, one should rather not give an obvious answer, such as it will take ?good leaders who will lead the ready to be led.? Mind you, however valid such simplistic answer maybe, it does not point out or negate where these leaders, in a society, will be made. Will they come from a brokered conference outside Somalia, what has been the usual route so far for resolving Somalia?s problems? Or will they and their followers spring up from even the smallest, dirty poor village in the country? And if we are to cite a situation in the world to serve as a guide, of how to go about resolving Somalia?s terrible situation of about 2 decades, we should not give ?the US journey to independence and its visionary founding fathers? as an example; Nor, for that matter, any journey of any country, including ours, for independence. They do not apply. A nation under the yoke of conventional colonialism is naturally unified by the very injustice of its colonizers. We Somalis been there and successfully done that. Let us not compare apples and oranges, as if they would be the same! To those who say Somalia?s outstanding anarchy cannot be reversed from the bottom-up, you should explain what the short-lived success of the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) was. Whatever misgivings one had about the Courts, these are the undeniable facts: that it started with one court in one neighborhood in Mogadishu, from grassroots; a one court?s success inspired other neighborhoods to establish their own, respective and independent courts. Then, they together created a joint committee to coordinate efforts. Financially, they initially sustained themselves by the fees they charged for services. When they had shown their capabilities of providing law and order in the neighborhoods, businesses poured money into them. At the end, Courts joined forces and became one powerful unit; so powerful that in one swoop they had easily routed the combined forces of the most formidable warlords in Somalia. Obviously, as the Courts assumed the mantle of power in Mogadishu and other places in southern and central Somalia, its members were corrupted by it. They lost sight of the principles contained therein of the very religion, Islam, on which they based their movement. Had they truly applied the true Islam, as we Somalis have known and lived for ages, they could have been a genuine conduit for a lasting peace and reconciliation among Somali brothers and sisters. That was not to be; instead they had committed political hubris, which led to their downfall, which also lead many, me included, to come to believe that Islam was used or misused from the get-go for other designs. Nonetheless, on how and from where the Courts had risen to power is a strong case, in a country which comes apart at the seams, for grassroots, bottom-up strategy. It need not be religiously based either! The Courts? eventual failure, from lack of vision, religious extremism, uncompromising rigidness, and calling fatal regional and international attention on themselves, does not in anyway diminish the genius behind its reach: from humble beginnings to the pinnacle of Somali politics! It would be a mistake to simply dismiss, for its many shortcomings, the grassroots reservoir the Courts tabbed. It should be something studied and copied, for the right reasons, to give common folk throughout Somalia hope and empowerment. Another case to mention would be Lebanon with similar prolonged civil war; however, it took her rich and well-to-do Arab brothers to intervene at the end with force by Syria and, at the same time, political settlement by the Saudi Kingdom. Unfortunately, we Somalis have only one tiny sister country, Djibouti, which is not even in a position to successfully defend its small territory. Just as we Somalis, as a race, are unique in this world, we are truly alone. We only have each other; yet, we seem not to get enough of killing one another. A dreadful thing, indeed! There have been civil wars in different parts of the world, most of which successfully ended by international military, political and financial interventions. Somalia had its share of such attempts, but there is something about our people that seems not receptive to interventions. This includes the top-down formations of Somali governments outside of Somalia, including the current TFG. The Somali semi-elite, most of them with militia assets, were the chosen few in some air conditioned conference halls outside Somalia to represent millions, who they victimized in the civil war. In the interest of peace, there has to be a genuine reconciliation between enemies, between victims and their tormentors. It is the promise, more than anything else, of peace and a better tomorrow for all concerned that is at the heart of any reconciliation. The people at the lowest hierarchy, where the pulse of the nation lies, must be made to buy into such promise by concrete actions. A wise person once said ?success has thousand fathers and failure is an orphan.? If the TFG cannot deliver to common folks the security they desperately need, then it will find itself an orphan, deserted not only by the people but also their very Ethiopian body guards. However, it is not too late for it to change course. One way to do that is to first get rid of the mentality that it can subdue the violence in Somalia by borrowed force. The nature of using force by the TFG and its ally entails a daily, grave and unintended consequence of unacceptable civilian deaths, as it is difficult to precisely respond to moving targets of guerilla warfare. To give the TFG a due credit, however, it would seem that it has succeeded in negotiations with good part of the opposition. This should be immediately carried to its logical conclusion of unity government between the TFG and the 2 Sharifs? group. The TFG must cede a substantial power and positions to its new ally. In the end, any Somali government which is indifferent to common folks will not sustain itself. It must find a way to win them over, by empowering them. How do you do that? Well, the TFG should start by not attacking Kismayo to undo whatever entity that took over there. Instead, it should first try a political settlement by sending a UN or an Arab delegation to negotiate a peaceful way out, which will leave Kismayo in the hands of its dwellers, not the Islamists or the TFG. That will send a clear signal of empowering the locals there. For the rest of Somalia, the Somali government must also cede power to each locality; let them decide who their leaders will be. While this will be tricky in big cities, such as Mogadishu, 90% of the rest of Somalia, the dotting villages and towns, could decide among themselves on their leaders in a matter of hours. Let them do their meetings, debates and compromises, among elders, business and religious groups, to decide who should lead them. Let them organize their security. This is where the old fashion Somali way, of clan and subclan consultations and compromised should be employed. At the moment, Somalia is not ripe for western-style elections. There will, hopefully, be a time for that! Local leaders and their constituencies will need financial help, and the government with the help of international community must device a way to efficiently and adequately provide support for locals. Hussein Ablele hesseinab77@hotmail.com

^^^No ! that aint barbaric, it is a jihad. Get in line waryaa. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

^^^Chelsea ofcourse! Last year was just a strange anomaly with the departure of Jose Mourinho. But this time, we got a good coach in Scolari and the players, who still are in my opinion the strongest squad in the Premiership, seem to be hungry for another championship trophy. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California ------------------------------------------------- "Flying high, up in the sky, We'll keep the blue flag flying high From Stamford Bridge to Wemb(er)ley We'll keep the blue flag flying high" "Blue is the colour, football is the game We're all together, and winning is our aim So cheer us on through the sun and rain 'cause Chelsea, Chelsea is our name Here at the Bridge whether rain or fine We can shine all the time Home or away, come and see us play You're welcome any day Blue is the colour, football is the game We're all together, and winning is our aim So cheer us on through the sun and rain 'cause Chelsea, Chelsea is our name Come to the Shed and we'll welcome you Wear your blue and see us through Sing loud and clear until the game is done Sing Chelsea everyone."

^^^Don't worry saaxiib, my boyz will hijack they a$$, regardless of all the bribe money they pay those corrupt officials. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

Seriously, in the upcoming debates, Obama better be impress the women. He should view the debates like his first date, and talk about issue that will woo women to his side. Issues like; Equal pay for equal work; Why McCain won't look after them but he will; Why Hillary agrees with his policies; Why his wife and two daughters are the most important people in his life. If women aren't impressed after the debates, he should stopping calling and go back to Kenya. No means no! dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

^^ha ha ha...maybe not the f word, but I bet you'd sh*t you pants if you landed in a pond filled with crocodiles dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

I agree with Norf... Robinho is very overated and Chelsea is very lucky that they did not sign him for that exorbitant transfer fee. In my opinion, he is not worth 1/4 of that fee. 25 goals in 146 games for Real Madrid ain't shyte! dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California

Originally posted by Allamagan: Some of the Sujui brothers out there are real Vssholes and can get you in trouble. They work with the local police officers and you will get un expected visit by one of these guys right in your hotel room checking your papers. They will say to you "Do something" i.e they need your money, bribery. I dont mean to scare you but thats reality down there I am talking from my own experiences. If you taking that route always make sure you have someone who knows the culture and know-how waiting for you there otherwise af-libaax aa ku geleysaa halkaa waana lagu furunaa. Ah the good old days of "reality down there" in Africa! Saaxiib, you reminded me of a song I used to listen to when I was little boy growing up in the motherland. A song by Victor Kachaka from Zambia, called It is True. Here are the lyrics.... It is true, It is true. Is it true that authority says very bad, but you give it a cup of tea, Chai, very hot. Mixed with a bit of toa kitu kidogo, that is bribery. It is true, It is true. Is it true that you take somebody's car by force gunpoint, then you sit back and shamelessly say to yourself "I am rich, I have bought a car!" Oh no that is robbery. It is true, It is true. Robbery, true. bribery, true. stealing, true. speeding, true. These are bad things, true x2 If anybody asks you whether these things do exist Say true. If you don't believe me, I'll tell you a story about speeding. You see I was in that vehicle, I was in that matatu Then he moved on to gear one. Then he moved on to gear two. then he jumped on to gear four. he moved on and on and on, uuraaaaa...uuraaaaa Matatutatutatutatutatutatu You move too fast, I screamed You move too fast, I screamed We are going to crush, crush, crush. x2 Aaaargaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is true, It is true It was like aparthied x2 I am happy it is gone x2 For I am free at last x2 I am free at last! Click here to listen to It is True dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California p.s Oz...go Chelsea! We just humbled Man City and that Robinho kid they stole from us. WE GONNA TAKE IT AGAIN!