I said i was gonna stay out of this topic and remain safe but i might aswell add my 2 cents since most ppl have spoke their mind. I think both sides of the argument are true its just a case of being able to appreciate the concerns of both sides of what of essential is same concerns and anxeity. For these changing time us Guys must acknowledge that we are confronted with a completly different society than just 2 or 3 decades ago of our parents. So our expectations of our females must also be reviewed in light of this. Just sit down and take stock of the reality there being faced with. Finding a woman in the west willing to be a house wife isnt that easy given that she would proabbly be eductaed and have similar aspiritons to us guys. A more flexible more accomdating approach to marriage life style is what will be required if your seeking to marry a well eductated female noamd with career aspiriations, but then hey marriage is all about meeting in the middle and helping each other out no? .

Grinov sxb you shouldnt be so quick to dismiss ppl's contributions outright and label them this or that. Both articles where very interesting.

Hey am glad u took time to take a troll through the contributions. So what do u make of our residnet refusnik Throth. He refuses to see reality lol. But hey i still respect the fact that he as taken time to come back and try to argue with me reasonable.

Well hi Miss_Lexus . Its about time someone brought over some of that girl power stuff into this fourm and start discursing some great womens sport like bEACH vOLLEY bALL. i LOOK FORWARD TO 'SEEING' your reports :eek: .

^^^^^^^^ lol woow. I am gonna stay out of this one

oh shiid u caught me out straight away. Just too dum today. I have expended all my brain power on doing my assigmnets and slipped up lol

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Firtsly wlcm to the site Jeeyte hope you enjoy it. Thanks for posting the article it was a very interesting and quite depressing read. Quite frankly the findings are no great suprise really, but what needs to be done really know is to press home the findings of this or any such studies on the efffect of using Khaat. They say that prevention is the best cure and i suppose educating every somali group male female young and old of the implications of the use of khaat would probabley be of great help in assiting in removing khaat from our culture or @ the very least moderating its use. once again thx for the article and wlcm to the site

^^^^^^ lol LST bruv be carefull with your chosen words.

Thx for the contribution Ladies and gents they are much appreciated.

Veri is out for the session so to is Pirlo and Seedorf for Milan. Anyway it doesnt really matter that match the will be an Italian Team in the Final and besides neither really are capable of winning the final. The winners will come from the Juv vs Real game and i just cant wait to see. I will be Brave and stick my Neck out and say juve will win 3-2 on aggregate because they are the only team who will eb able to defend against Real. And for the final I think, indeed i wish that it will be a Juventus vs milan Final that would be quality and it would reconfirm the re-emergence of Seria A as the best leage in the world.

As the situation stands in many parts of muslim nations, it is less likely to see a muslim country emerging as counter hegemony. My argument is that it is too early to rule out Huntington’s prediction about future war between Islam and the west. After all, it has been only a decade since disintegration of Soviet Union. It is true that muslims has always been perceived as an enemy, but it was the last eight or ten years that Islam became the central theme of US foreign policy. I would go along with that. Clear only Allah knows what will unfold next. But if we can go by the last decade perhaps even further back than that, you can quite plasuible conclude that there will be a clash of 'civiliastion'. However What really interested me was the Fact that some commentators managed to pick up on the what i was seeing, both Bush and his administartion of Neo-Con's and indeed arguable Osama Bin Laden where trying to protract a clash of civilisation for their own respective agenda's, and both would stand to win. Anyway getting back to your first contribution. I again also agree with you there i think although these series of events that have unfolded recently ,amongst the back drop of the on-going israel brutulaisation of our palestinina brothers, might not lead to islamic states in the short term in muslim countries. They have serverd to finally awaken the muslims as one on the international stage for the first time in a long time it seems to me. And although the people in Iraq might not get The islamic state the have already demonstarted they desire.....i thinking indeed i pray inshallah that the revival of the islamic state the Khilafa will not be to far aware in the future because it is what is needed for the how world not just the muslims.

wow that was a great story to read thx for that B_M, inshallah may our future leaders exhibit such character ameen.

sure . Movie Bollowing For Colombain (excuse the spelling if it is incorrect) Micheal Moore "You know what i love about this country? whether your a crazed pychopathic killer or your running for the presidency of america you can always relay on white america's fear of the Black Man" or lol The looming Danger of the 'Africanized Bees' other was known as killer bees lol.

Thx Jazeera. Its just a shame that the wasnt more ppl contributing to the debate which left me having to contend with Throth lol which as u can see from the above trail isnt much of a debate.

Glad u enjoyed it Bro

That was an incredible article shaqsii, incredibly long but very imformative . I mean lets face it most who have bothered to eductae them selves on the actualties of war will know that it is a bigg time money spinner. It is just sick to see how non of the news meduims or current affairs programms or documentraties pick up on it. Just check out the link below saxiib Donald the Sales assitant

Here is another article i came across whilst surfing the net. 'Islam is back,' cleric says By LIZ SLY Chicago Tribune BAGHDAD, Iraq — At Baghdad's al-Kindi Hospital, the Islamic revolution that some Iraqis fear and others crave is in full swing. The administrator's office, formerly occupied by a Baath Party appointee, has become the sanctuary of Sheik Abbas Zubaidi, a young cleric with a pronounced limp acquired during torture sessions in the jails of the ousted regime. Hanging on the wall in place of the obligatory picture of Saddam Hussein is a photograph of the snowy bearded Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, a revered Shiite ayatollah assassinated in 1999. He is the inspiration to a new generation of Islamic radicals. Young men with pistols stuffed in their belts hover in attendance as the sheik dispenses medicine, food and cash to a steady stream of needy people. Stacked in the corner are two Kalashnikovs and a prayer rug. Zubaidi never misses any of the five daily prayer sessions stipulated in the Koran, and when the Islamic republic he dreams of is established, neither will anyone else in Iraq, he says. "The new government will be ruled in the name of God in heaven, whose light shines into all walks of life," said Zubaidi, who says he derives his authority from the powerful Hawza el Miya seminary in Najaf, the holy Shiite city in southern Iraq. "You can tell America: Islam is back." This wasn't what the Bush administration intended when it set out to topple Saddam's regime and transform Iraq into a "beacon of democracy" for the region. But already, less than three weeks since Marines occupied the heart of Baghdad, a different vision of Iraq's future has begun to take shape. It is a future in which Iraq would be ruled by Shiite clerics who take their orders from the ayatollahs in Najaf. It is an Iraq where women would be forced to wear the black, head-to-toe garment known as the abeya and where music, dancing and alcohol are forbidden. It is an Iraq that would look a lot like neighboring Iran. Bush administration officials have accused Iran of interfering in Iraq's affairs to promote its brand of Islamic radicalism. As exiled Iraqi clerics return from Iran, some likely are carrying with them influences, instructions and, perhaps, money and arms from their former hosts. The dynamics driving Iraq's nascent Islamic revolution are rooted just as much, however, in the hopes of Iraq's long-oppressed Shiite community. Newly released from the harsh restrictions imposed during 35 years of secularist Baath Party rule, Iraqi Shiites are embracing vigorously their newfound religious freedom, and many say they dream of establishing their own Islamic republic in Iraq. Shiites represent about 65 percent of the population in Iraq, and if the elections promised by President Bush eventually are held, their votes will carry enormous weight. In the cities of the Shiite-dominated south, clerics have created a de facto Islamic mini-state, moving into vacated government offices and forming committees to address critical issues such as the restoration of electricity, water and social services. In the Shiite slum of Baghdad once known as Saddam City but renamed after the slain Sadr, the mosques are dispensing health care, medicine and justice. Armed volunteers answerable to local clergy enforce order, detaining thieves and patrolling the streets. The movement appears to have the broad support among residents. "Of course we want an Islamic government. Shiites are in the majority in Iraq, so we should have the right to choose," said Haidar Shaqr, 22, a local barber living in Sadr City. He says he would support the introduction of Sharia, Islamic law. That would include the veiling of women and severe punishments for adultery and theft. "These are Islamic laws, and they will become the civilian law. They are the laws of the sky and the heaven," he said. "Now, it's just a Shiite thing, but with Saddam gone, the sheiks are insisting that these laws should be for everybody in Iraq." But not all Shiites are happy with what they see. Hameed Hussein al Araji, the chief surgeon at al-Kindi and a Shiite, says he is deeply alarmed and fears his hospital is just the starting point for a creeping Islamic revolution. Al-Kindi is in an area that includes Christians and other minorities and is one of several Baghdad hospitals occupied by armed mullahs. Zubaidi and his gunmen moved into the hospital April 10, the day after Saddam's regime collapsed, saying they had come to protect the building from looting. At first, Araji said, the doctors welcomed them, but Zubaidi and his men quickly hinted at ulterior motives. "I have told him, 'I don't like guns in the hospital. We have women here and children,' " he said. "But it seems that he has his own agenda. His stated purpose was to protect the hospital, but we think he has a political reason for doing that. He is trying to win the hearts of the people. He gives out drugs, crutches and money." The hospitals are virtually the only functioning institutions in Iraq, and that endows them with political weight. Before the revolution in Iran, the Shiite clergy there won the support of ordinary Iranians by providing social services in impoverished areas neglected by the state, and in Lebanon, the fundamentalist Shiite Hezbollah movement rose in Shiite areas by doing the same. The speed with which the clerics moved to control the hospitals after the collapse of Hussein's regime leads Araji to suspect their actions were planned in advance. "Some of the Shia leaders are neutral and try to keep religion and politics separate, but some are well-organized and are trying to create an Islamic government," he said. "I hope America won't stand by and allow them to direct the hospital as a nucleus for the coming of a religious government, because this is not the desire of all Iraqis," he added. Some American officials say they won't stand by. Jay Garner, the retired general appointed to administer the country, said last week that the United States would not tolerate an Islamic republic in Iraq. But as the U.S. begins to establish an administration for postwar Iraq, the Shiite clerics are filling a critical gap. Not all of them see their role as permanent. "We don't have any aim to be in the new government," said Sheik Abdel Mehdi al Salami, the senior cleric in charge of the southern city of Karbala. "We want to see a government that represents all the people of Iraq. The Shiites of Iraq are the biggest percentage of people and the government should respect the religious traditions of the Shiites, but at the same time it should give an equal amount of respect to the traditions and religions of other groups." There are deep divisions within the Shiite clergy, and Zubaidi aligns himself with a radical branch. If Iraqis of different religions or opinions don't like the idea of an Islamic republic, they will have to get used to it, he said. "Just as Iraqis grew accustomed to listening to music, so they will grow accustomed to listening to religion in their lives," Zubaidi said. Araji counsels patience. A degree of political turmoil is inevitable in a country that has suddenly had freedom thrust upon it, he says. "We hope these things are temporary," he said. "We paid with our blood for our freedom, and the Americans, they paid with their blood too. Can we believe Americans shed blood only to see an Iraqi government just like the one in Iran? I don't think so." Last changed: April 26. 2003 9:02PM

Thx for the information Mujaahid and Khayr. Indeed Khayr this should be apparent for us as muslims in general. It is so true that just being an a good example ppl will view you with respect and trust. And my Khuluq will improve much much more in future inshallah as it isnt what t can be. Once again thx for answering my question nomads

An update if anyone is interested in reading There need be no clash of civilizations Jonathan Power So far so good, at least on the wider level. While internally Iraq seems on the edge of chaos, the much-heralded clash of civilizations between the Muslim and Judeo-Christian worlds has yet to become apparent. We have anger and despair aplenty in the Arab and Muslim worlds. But very little rushing to the standard and there was no great pilgrimage of warriors to join the fight, as happened when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan 20 years ago, and then, having driven the Red Army out, were left to ferment in that mountainous redoubt. With the armaments supplied by the CIA, the Mujahedeen were transformed into al-Qaida that became, for a relatively brief moment as these things go, "the greatest threat to the homeland that America has ever known." Nevertheless, a "Cold War" between much of the Muslim world and the West is certainly in full swing. Winston Churchill, who coined the phrase "Iron Curtain," was not the inventor of the "Cold War." That, "La Guerra Fria," was the term used by 13th century Spaniards to describe their complicated and uneasy relationship with the Muslims of the Mediterranean. There is a process, especially in American political discourse, that tends to overstate dangers. The most egregious example was Vietnam with its theology of falling dominoes. Similarly, in retrospect, it is quite clear that the menace of Soviet military strength was overstated almost to the point of ludicrousness. As for the clash of civilizations, it should be apparent by now, and the second Gulf War has made it clearer than ever, that the Islamic world is not that homogeneous and is riven by fault lines, even as it shares one important historical experience — the imposition of Western culture, first by force of arms and more recently by the twin influences of the market place and economic modernization. Moreover, unlike Western and Chinese civilizations, Islam does not possess a core state of overwhelming influence and power around which the others can rally and identify. Egypt 30 years ago tried that role and was found wanting. Over the last two years, despite the rhetoric, the bluster, the wishful thinking, the conspiracy theories that linked Israel to the Sept 11 atrocity, there is no great well of sympathy in the Islamic world for Osama bin Laden or, come to that, Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden, as the war historian Michael Howard wrote in Foreign Affairs, is about as representative of Islam as is the Northern Ireland firebrand, Ian Paisley, representative of Christianity In his book "The Clash of Civilizations," Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington made a grave error — to see the appeal of the West, which he fears is being rejected by the Islamic world, in terms of modern culture and contemporary financial priorities. What he missed is the impact that spreading notions of human rights are having deep within the Islamic world, as they are everywhere. Islam, as Christianity before it, is evolving at a rapid pace. St Thomas Aquinas advocated putting heretics to death and the Protestant reformer Jean Calvin had one outspoken dissident executed. And it is only a generation ago that political observers used to note that the Catholic countries of southern Europe and Latin America were constitutionally and philosophically unable to take to democracy. But Islam is changing very fast. It is more than beginning to think about democracy. If the Islamic world is as potentially dangerous as is suggested, then the best long-term counter weapon is not added security in the Western world or war-making but removing the main cause of friction — America's overdependence on Middle Eastern oil, American soldiers based in the Gulf and the lack of a viable homeland for the Palestinians — together with the vigorous and credible pursuit of human rights, the backbone of freedom for people of every religious persuasion. (Arab News) April 28, 2003

I hope it doesnt offend to much Lop Dogg " Aey Gran Ma u better stay off my ends (weed, dope, hashisi) before i smoke your ass" Gran Ma "Ah Go F*** yourself" Movie: Dont Be A Menance To South Central While Drinking Your Juices in the hood. I could qoute dozens more lol but i think they are somewhat in appropriate so i shall leave u nomads who havent viewed it to investigate.

I think the following article is quite interesting with respect to this and another topic i was contributing to on a similar issue so enjoy reading nomads Western Mis-conceptions

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