Just how arrogant and Hypocritical are these people. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apocalypse soon Evangelicals in the US believe there is a biblical basis for opposing the Middle East road map Giles Fraser Monday June 9, 2003 The Guardian Just as new life is being breathed into the peace process, religious groups throughout the US are whipping up hostility to the road map. The aim of the Christian-Jewish "interfaith Zionist leadership summit" held in Washington last month was "to oppose rewarding murderous Palestinian terrorism with statehood". Attending the conference were some of the most influential figures of the Christian right; behind them a whole infrastructure of churches, radio stations and bible college courses teaching "middle-east history". Since the late 19th century, an increasing number of fundamentalists have come to believe that the second coming of Christ is bound up with the political geography of Israel. Forget about the pre-1967 boundaries; for them the boundaries that count are the ones shown on maps at the back of the Bible. The acceptance of the state of Israel by the UN in 1949 brought much excitement to those who believed the second coming was being prepared for. A similar reaction greeted the Six Day war in 1967. The displacement of Palestinians mattered little compared with the fulfilment of biblical prophecy. Writing in Christianity Today immediately after the Six Day war, Billy Graham's father-in-law, Nelson Bell, claimed the fact that "for the first time in more than 2,000 years Jerusalem is now completely in the hands of the Jews gives the student of the Bible a thrill and a renewed faith in its accuracy and validity." So as the international community withdrew its embassies after the war, and the UN passed resolution 242 condemning Israel's occupation of the West Bank, the International Christian Embassy was set up to show support for Israel. Since then the Christian right has staunchly opposed trading land for peace or any attempt to broker a settlement by power-sharing arrangements. The destruction of the al-Aqsa mosque continues to be sought after by both Christian and Jewish fundamentalists. US churches are encouraged to form links with Jewish settlers via email and to support them through fundraising. Happy to have any friend it can get, the Israeli government has long since exploited its connections with far-right US Christian groups. While moderate Christians, such as the Palestinian Bishop of Jerusalem, cannot get to see Ariel Sharon despite repeated requests, the door is always open to southern Baptists and TV evangelists. What is astonishing about this marriage of convenience is that their version of evangelical Christianity believes that biblical prophecy leads to Armageddon and finally to the conversion of the Jews to Christ. According to the most influential of the Christian Zionists, Hal Lindsey, the valley from Galilee to Eilat will flow with blood and "144,000 Jews would bow down before Jesus and be saved, but the rest of Jewry would perish in the mother of all holocausts". These lunatic ravings would matter little were they not so influential. Lindsey's book, The Late Great Planet Earth, has sold nearly 20m copies in English and another 30m-plus worldwide. Against this crazy theological background, an ideological battle is now being waged. Despite the fact that apocalyptic prophecy as read by the Christian right ends with another holocaust, some Israeli politicians and journalists are encouraging fundamentalists to stick by the implications of their narrative. In a recent column in the Jerusalem Post, Michael Freund called upon evangelical Christians to lobby against the pressure being put on George Bush by Tony Blair and Colin Powell. "If Jesus were alive today," he wrote, "the US state department would likely criticise him for being a Jewish settler and an obstacle for peace." There are 45 million evangelicals in the US and they represent a crucial block vote for born-again Bush. It is therefore to his credit that he has resisted their pressure and managed to persuade Sharon to accept the peace plan. Perhaps Bush is able to take the evangelical vote for granted in much the same way as Blair is able to take the left's vote for granted: both have nowhere else to go. Yet Bishop Riah Abu El-Assal of Jerusalem doesn't trust Bush. He thinks the combination of European impotence and the US's refusal to pressure Israelis into stopping building settlements means the plan is already dead in the water. "It took them six days to occupy the Palestinian territories; they could get out in three," he says. Bishop Riah has persuaded the World Council of Churches to call for sanctions on all products from the occupied territories. The diocese of Jerusalem runs hospitals in Gaza and Nablus. It's in places like these that the real work of Christian ministry is conducted. By contrast, US evangelicals oppose the peace process and swarm into Iraq to convert its people to Jesus. · The Rev Dr Giles Fraser is the vicar of Putney and lecturer in philosophy at Wadham College, Oxford source: Guardian unlimted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Today is the 10 of June any update on the situation.

The below is a bbc site with the address of various somali organisations present in london that could be of use to you if you have any plans on doing some outreach work of your own. London organisation Links

Congrats to all those hard working students who have recently graduated from their studies, and for those who are in the process of finishing up their studies keep up the hard work the end is near.

I think we all could hazard a guess or two as to some of the reasons why we as a people are falling away. Many of which we have contemplated in various debates i.e. social deprevation, lack of represention and justice, demostic turmoil and so forth. What is true (certainly from my personal expirence) is the number of lost somalis in the communtiy has dramatically increased. Somalis who are totally assimilated, who have no morals let alone follow Islam, who are drug addicts, drug dealers..... i could go on forever. I dont think that our decay should be perplexing to us we know where we are going wrong, we also realise that to make the necessary changes we need to act corehisevly (excuse the spelling) and come together on communial platform but will we?? i doubt it. I hope so but i doubt it. Am not perplexed @ our decay, am just perplexed @ the continued reluctance and inability of "us" as a people to come together, not unlike other communities, to try and resolve and mitigate against some of the factors that are causing our decay through some offical somali communtiy that would be our representative in the host countyr that we might reside in.

OGMOTI:: I'm sorry you had to witness such a cruelty...but I couldn't help but laugh at the way you described the incident. Lool. lol yep

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Latefha I'v been around, just not been flooding the site like before . How have u been urself

Salam calayakum. It was a pleasure to finally meet the Famous MMA ,and amongst others, Winger, Exdane n Garayaqan. You (MMA) even managed to convince me that a picture you took (actually of a shopping mall in dubai) was in xamaar . It was indeed a great night and i too would like to extend my thanks to Jamaal and Barwaaqo for taking the time to arrange such a gathering, and for all those nomads who took up the invitation. It was a meeting that provided me with the last oppotunity (little i knew) to be in the company of our dearly departed Mahamed Ismacill Ilaahey ha u Naxasiisto and thats my abiding memory now of an enjoyable night that is tinged with a reminder of the loss of a trully unique, humble kind man.

Thx all those who mentioned my name the feeling is mutual. I have been very very lucky i must admit. It seems that i have meet alot of nomads and the expirence has been great, so inshallah i'll meet more in th future as well.

didn't even bother reading it lol same here bruv

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " Great minds think alike". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They sure do looooooooooooooool hey Horn what can i say i guess these 2 bring out the best in you and me alike . We r not in a position to alter or change the facts on the ground. We are only commentators looking in from outside. We r not in a position to alter or change the facts on the ground. We are only commentators looking in from outside . This is just a forum nothing more than that. The only thing is that u r finding out that any premise colored by emotion rather than reason or realism will be challenged i have to say i agree whole heartedly.

A billeated wlcm to yu to silent sister i see your already fulling enjoying the sites many pleasrues.

Horn walaahi thats what i was thinking this person she/he whatever its has big issues.. its sad lol well spoted gents i must admit her more moderate overtone did decive me.

wow soem very interesting thoughts on here. Thx for posting the topic Kritikal-mind. My on 2 cents on which of teh 2 evils would eb more preferable.......well as we can see in the dbates that we do on here the idea of Nationalism is first n formost that which seeks to identify people within a group and thus goes against Isam a sit seeks to divide nationalities amongst there ethinicity rather than bring them under one leadership one way. And with us somalis being as tribalistic as we are nationalism am sure would exhibit some trabil traits and thats a road we dont want to travel down again. were as globalism, as my dear nomad Barwaaqo so elegantly articulated brings on its own set of problems as well as the precieved benefits and thats assuming that the wealth drevied from this is fairly distributed. Anyway the following artcile gLOBALISM

--------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfowitz : Iraq War Was About Oil by George Wright Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq, a leading White House hawk has claimed, confirming the worst fears of those opposed to the US-led war. Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil. Paul Wolfowitz US Deputy Defense Secretary The US Deputy Defense Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz - who has already undermined Tony Blair's position over weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by describing them as a "bureaucratic" excuse for war - has now gone further by claiming the real motive was that Iraq is "swimming" in oil. Mr Wolfowitz went on to tell journalists at the conference that the US was set on a path of negotiation to help defuse tensions between North Korea and its neighbors - in contrast to the more belligerent attitude the Bush administration displayed in its dealings with Iraq. His latest comments follow his widely reported statement from an interview in Vanity Fair last month, in which he said that "for reasons that have a lot to do with the US government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on: weapons of mass destruction." Amid growing calls from all parties for a public inquiry, the foreign affairs select committee announced last night it would investigate claims that the UK government misled the country over its evidence of Iraq's WMD. Prior to that, his boss, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, had already undermined the British government's position by saying Saddam Hussein may have destroyed his banned weapons before the war. Mr Wolfowitz's frank assessment of the importance of oil could not come at a worse time for the US and UK governments, which are both facing fierce criticism at home and abroad over allegations that they exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein in order to justify the war. The move is a major setback for Tony Blair, who had hoped to contain any inquiry within the intelligence and security committee, which meets in secret and reports to the prime minister. In the US, the failure to find solid proof of chemical, biological and nuclear arms in Iraq has raised similar concerns over Mr Bush's justification for the war and prompted calls for congressional investigations. Mr Wolfowitz is viewed as one of the most hawkish members of the Bush administration. The 57-year old expert in international relations was a strong advocate of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Following the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Mr Wolfowitz pledged that the US would pursue terrorists and "end" states' harboring or sponsoring of militants. Prior to his appointment to the Bush cabinet in February 2001, Mr Wolfowitz was dean and professor of international relations at the Paul H Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), of the Johns Hopkins University. source: © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

lol that was quality

Shujui - Nice abbreviation sxb .. TB for Tony Blair, the man's actions are contegious, abit more infectious than Foot-n-Toot quality lol. So do you think they would ever cave in to the demands for a full public enquriy rather than just teh behaind doors parlimentry enquiry??

I suppose i tend to be more outspoken and challange some of the more dubious assertions of comments made than in reality.

well wlcm o the site bro am sure u will find this a more refreashing approach to debating.

It is the somali sijuis who like to differentiate themselves from the others. For example why did you take the nickname somalisijui? Thats just absurd, why on earth would we want to differentiate ourselves, it is not me who chose to be could sujui.........well other than on this forum . Besides it doesnt particularly both me as you have quite rightly stated apart from an ignorant minority (which in our somali ppl is quite a significant minority) i tend to get no problem, just some ear bashin from time to time "wariya af somali la hadaal"

looooooooooooooooool i dont know how but i got teh exact result am gonna print this and conduct a field survey

lol was any other outcome possibe LST, buts it good though because TB is lookin like a right muppet right now in UK as he faces questions from all quaters of parliment.

:rolleyes: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ :rolleyes: :rolleyes: yet another person who cant seem to put across a point of view without generilze and demonise a group of ppl. Why must people persist in using such terms as "Unlike you lot" what lot?? we are all somali's so get over what ever problems you expriencing its not such a difficult concept to comprehend

well what can i say Paltalk u wanted attention u'v got it