Clearly its beckham, followed closely by alot of his english associates and new team mates such as figo and raul. Most over rated team, well there many i shall start with the obivous that is arsenal, and finish with Braca and most over rated sport has to go to golf, most probably the most under-represnted sport across the global.

wlcm to the site C_G :cool: , hope you enjoy the good bad and the ugly that we have to offer in the community

Like the brits would say,your talking bullocks now, here's a link to show the two most successful football nations in world soccer,not european soccer! Best nations looool arrghh you no its all Grave as we say here in Londonistan . Clearly one mans Macwuus is another mans sorong. But plz bro, The Records dont lie, Italy along side Germany are the Most successfull European nations. The German League isnt high profile so one can forgive us for not endulging in mudd sling exchanges :cool: over Bayen or arsenal or Leverkuson over Roma. I think of the Great Milan team of the late 1980's and early 1990's (with sampdoria losing to barac @ wembley). I think of 1994 4 - 0 Demolistion of Braca that inc stokiavic Romaria Bakero etc etc. Not to mention Parma (veron cheisa cannavaro) Inter with Ronaldo, Simeone and Zamorano. I think of 3 Straight Champions League final appreance by del piero/zidane inspired Juve. Not to mention Milan final appreance loses to Marselle and Ajax. Its as clear as the writing on the wall , Seria A and Italian soccer has had a strangle grip on european football for the over a deceade now, and i havent even mentioned the now faced out cuip winners cup, and the Uefa cup.

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Italian based reporter Dominique Antognoni highlights which individuals are on a high and a low after the Week 17 games. The best… Francesco Totti (Roma) His first goal against Samp was good, his second was pure Totti – simply phenomenal. The fact that his side have been crowned Winter Champions is down to all of the squad but he’s undoubtedly made a telling contribution. People are already touting him to win the 2004 Golden Ball – we’ll have to see whether those at France Football agree. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Valeri Bojinov (Lecce) This 18-year-old has been playing well, and scoring, for some time now. His brace against Reggina has catapulted him as one of the most interesting strikers in the Italian championship. If Lecce do get relegated then they will at least have the recognition that they believed in their young players. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carlo Zotti (Roma) We had to put Alex Del Piero’s hat-trick and Nicola Ventola’s two goals to one side in order to promote young Zotti. The Roma ‘keeper expressed himself well in the win over Samp by even saving a Francesco Flachi penalty. This from a player who nearly quit the game a few months back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The rest… Obafemi Martins (Inter) It may be unfair to single out Martins as the rest of the Inter side didn’t exactly impress in the 1-0 defeat to Empoli. Yet the problem was that Inter were looking to this youngster to get them out of trouble. It suddenly becomes clear why the Nerazzurri are in a distant fourth place. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christian Panucci (Roma) It’s been reported that Panucci was not totally fit before the game but that is no excuse for his performance against Samp. He was clearly at fault for Bazzani’s opener after just a few minutes. His errors continued in the second period. Fortunately he had Totti on his side. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mirko Conte (Sampdoria) Ten years have passed since Beppe Bergomi once considered this player as his heir – something he is clearly not. The way he simply let Totti glide past him for the third goal must have infuriated boss Walter Novellino.

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lowly they might be, but even lowly teams such as brescia have living legends such as Roberto Baggio, and that in short Baay is why Seria A is the best league in the world. BTW did anyone see Totti's Second Goal :eek: this weekend. He is now on 11 goals in 16 matchs as a withdrawn stricker/ midfielder. In the toughest leauge in the world. If he continues this way then they will only be one player to consider in the world football awards.

lol@ Golden child, that was abit below belt. Lets hope Opnionated takes it with a pinch of salt

I agree baay these is getting abit too repitiive so i'll leave henry to make more Va Va Voom adds with animal from the The MUPPETS Show . Damn y'all are stubborn headed. Talk to me when sheva comes to england and burns a few cockneys lol yeah your more likely to find Aalex Fergson saying a jakoozi with Arsen wenger than seeing the great man in PensionLeague With all due respect Jay Loyd samuel, and ole Melborg and players of the elk of.....(walaahi i cannot even think of any of these sh** defenders) are not Lilian Thuram or Fabio Cannavaro or Walter Samuel qaulity. Great players like to measure themselves amongts the best. and i dont think money will tmept sheva to here, as much as i would luv to see him live. Man crespo ran from italy precisally because he's end was nie, last year he scored a miserable 3 leage goals all season :confused: , as apposed to 9 champions league goals. And Mutu well i hope i dont come across at all xenphobic but hes romanian and the tepmtations of chealsas millons lured him here. Actually while we are on the subject chealsa are fast becoming the english Inter milan. Mutu was with doubt one of the biggest stars in Seria A scoring free kicks heads long shots and penlaties alike. But yesturday he came on as a sub for joe cole :confused: :confused: F.C.U.K The italians need to stop claiming to boast the best defenders,cause if that was the case, Italy would have won something by now lol i think all my mad rantings have finally got to ya bro. Italy are the second most successfull nation in world soccer what you on about. If your going on recent performances than sure France have been the most successfull european nation. But Italy along side Germany and Holland have the best tradtion and not supprisngly some of the bst players fo world history

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Oh here we go. The ref conned the retreating Wall and allows a doggy penality and you get all happy hey. Bloody Frog has jumped from snails garnished with garlic n red wine to fish n chips . BTW i went to watch chealsa v BHam yesturday (free of course) as i wouldnt pay for any premiershit match. And my the most exiting thing of the whole mind numbing affair was the colour full language from the shady locals and the kick off at the end envolving mutu. the Intermitting 90 minutes was a bloody joke. I was left asking "where was the footy". i was gonna ask for my money backk before rembering

People can sugar-coat-it however they want but, as far as I’m concerned, that one word defines all that is ‘wrong’ with Somali culture. Indeed. I used to ,in my years of bliss full ignorance, answer, i am from 'such n such' . But if someone asked me i would be tempted to tell them (regardless of gender or age)where to go. A critical look at the somali qabil-based-tree reveals alot of inconsistency. If it indeed deserves a critical look at all. From what i have seen in The Uk Qaabil has taken a firm rooting in Somali youths which is a great shame.

Rokko bro lol henry is the most hypered player since beckham. When u talk about strikers there are many that come before. Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Veiri, even in the premiership Shearer Van Nistilroy, Anelka. Admitedly the fact that he was a winger before means that he creates as much goals as he scores............in the premership. Which doesnt mean much since we all no that the level of footbal in the premeirship is very low on a tecnical and tactical level. Being blessed with Lightning pace and some skill means that he is able to have a laugh in the premier league week in week out. Why doesnt he try his skills and talent againts more worthy opponents in Seria A. I think thats where u will really see what any one is made off. The Best striker in the world at the moment is Shevchenko who is burning a hot trail through the best defenders in the world in Seria And Europe.

I couldnt agree more with underdogg sis. Being Shy, modest, or Demure is a rubber stap of quality. It reads to many as you being someone intelligent, humble & it creates an air of mysterious around you. And few n few ladies now day's seem to possess it. It is a bigg draw for many many gents, me included

well i cant see for example how Maldini or Buffon or Nesta havent been constants given their excellent performances for Juve n milan/lazio respectively. Can anyone trully say the havent been head and shoulders above the reset of the world in their positions for some considerable time now!!! Uefa is trying to present a balanced picture with players from across the board. Gerrard Houllier??? man i wont even go into that. And Cosmin Contra make it into the team infront of Say Giggs or Zambrotta is a mystery And where is Del Boy and Totti and Samuel??

Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) has won a new US army contract to help repair Iraq's dilapidated oil industry. Parsons Iraqi Joint Venture and Worley Group also will share in the $2bn (£1.1bn; 1.6bn euros) worth of work. The appointment is likely to raise eyebrows as KBR has been accused of overcharging the US military for fuel. The Pentagon is mulling whether to investigate KBR's owner, Halliburton, over the allegations. The company has denied any wrongdoing. North-South divide Halliburton, whose former chief executive was US Vice President Dick Cheney, had looked to be in the clear after an earlier inquiry. Under the terms of the contracts, KBR will develop Iraq's southern oil fields, while Parsons and Worley will work together in the north of the country.

By Dominic Casciani BBC News Online community affairs reporter The college has 200 students What goes on in Islamic colleges - and why are they so worried about how they are portrayed? At the College for Islamic Education and Guidance in Blackburn, it's business as usual. In the main hall, the children are hard at work. They sit on the carpet as the burble of their voices reciting the Koran fills the space. Welcome to the Jamiatul-Ilm Wal-Huda - perhaps you will recognise it from television coverage late last year. It was this college that was entered by anti-terrorism police in November following the arrest of one of its students on suspicion of terrorist offences. The search of a dormitory shocked the community and forced the college's governors to publicly defend their way of life and education. But what happens inside a traditional Islamic college? The BBC has been allowed access to the teachers and students at Blackburn and the larger seminary in nearby Bury, the oldest in the UK. Life inside Islamic colleges - a guided tour In pictures Islamic colleges in the UK are also known as madrassas or darul uloom (both essentially meaning seminary), depending on the heritage of their patrons. The first British darul uloom, based on a model found throughout the Islamic world, opened in Bury in 1973. It set out to provide a high quality education based on Islamic principles - and produce imams - leaders of prayer - as future leaders of the faith in the UK's mosques. Its founder, Sheikh Yusuf Motala, remains a key member in the movement which has expanded beyond just educating boys (the schools are single sex). In an Islamic college, the religious component is essential, creating institutions which are first and foremost religious seminaries. Students can join at 12-years-old and can board. Others start in their late teens after finishing ordinary school. The first half of the day is spent on Islamic studies, from memorising the Koran to studying its legal system. For the younger students, the second half of the day is spent studying for GCSEs or A-levels. International effect In Pakistan, madrassas have faced accusations of a narrow education. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, among others, says they are a primary source of militant Islamists. COLLEGES AND INTEGRATION Teacher, Blackburn college How it rates in performance tables This in turn feeds into a fear of guilt by association in the UK, not least because of the heightened sense of terrorist alert in the media and government. Ismail Amla, spokesman for Bury's college, says the innuendo and negative stereotypes run deep. "Parents are facing these questions in the home from their own children," he says. "These are questions about their own heritage and faith." Which brings us to the doors of the colleges. Inside, our guide is Dr Mahmood Chandia, a lecturer at two universities and the first graduate of the Bury college to gain a PhD. Students who go through the full six years of Islamic education are encouraged to get into higher education or find practical ways to put their faith into action, he says. "The ethos of the school is character building. When the students study Islamic history and tradition, they are not just learning about the Koran," he says. "The teachers are seeking to develop them as individuals who can interact with wider society." An imam needs to know how to resolve everyday issues that confront anyone living in Britain Dr Mahmood Chandia Blackburn's quietly-spoken principal, Sheikh Abdul Samad, says the approach is "manners and morality". Students should leave the college with an experience of Islam that informs every decision they make, he explains. And if they properly understand their faith, it means they are committed to improving society. But do students suffer because only half their day is spent on secular education? The national league table suggests otherwise. The results at Blackburn's Jamiatul-Ilm Wal-Huda were just above the national average and far better than nearby schools. At Bury, GCSE passes fell last year, but the trend remains upwards. Its A and AS Level results were substantially better than the national average. So what do they make of Home Secretary David Blunkett's comments on integration and the language spoken by minority communities? "He's 15 years out of date," says one of Sheikh Samad's young teachers at Blackburn. "He was so ill-briefed he frankly does not have a clue of what is happening at a local level. "He says that Muslims need to take greater responsibility to integrate. If he said it 10 years ago, he may have had a point but not now." Tackling youth problems At both Bury and Blackburn there is a generation of young teachers, all of whom were trained imams who had worked in mosques. English is their first language and they effortlessly move back and forth into Urdu or Arabic when required for faith-based lessons. Furthermore, they say the young men becoming imams through the colleges are better placed to tackle ingrained problems of social exclusion in Muslim communities. One teacher explained how as an imam in a mosque he had found imams from the first immigrant generation asking him for advice on youth problems such as drugs counselling. Another said he had found older members of the community seeking advice on sensitive matters they would never raise with elder leaders. "The function of the imam is to speak about the lived experience of being Muslim," says Dr Chandia. "And this means that you need to know about how to resolve some of the everyday issues that confront anyone living in Britain."

Ina Lilah wa Ina Ilhey Rajiun. Walaahi thats very sad May allah forgive his sins. My heart goes out to the deceaseds Family

Com'on baashi bro, we all can hazard a pretty rough deff that we could all agree around of what being westernized means. Can we all agree that it doesnt bowed well for any muslim to become westernised, accepting that we are totally at odds at the various cultural practises of western countries n peoples. The changing of ones prespective is what i consider the most dangerous thing. opinonated abayo, what i would say is wrong about being westernized is that, and lets forget for a second about culture, is the top-down corruption of morality, and the adoption of positions that would most of the time find us at odds with what would 'normally' be sacrosant way of life. This being the dereliction, and the wholesale adoption of foriegn culture and tradtions over our own. Putting aside culture as this is a hottly debatable issue. I will focus with Islam. I can already see in mind some nomads reading these and thinking 'HERE WE GO AGAIN'. But to me being westernised is the adopting of domestic traits and norms. The loss of Islamic Practises i.e. Prayer, Dawah, Charity. Am afraid when one becomes westernized salah, dawah and Zakat, are things hardly at the foe-front of ones minds. Become at odd with anything that might be termed as being Islamic, not somali, but islamic. That to me represent what being westernized represent. If some nomads have confussed seeking knowledge and further oneself as being westernized then that is wrong psoiton to adopt. Being westernized to me represents being a sell-out, and more than that (because who cares what i think) it means to that individual a danger of become lost.

1st and foremost Hajji welcome to the site and welcome to the sports forum where ppl are a little more mature and civilised than other forums Thats apart from the arsenal fans . Yheah bro wlcm to this corner of the site. I argue wholeheartedly with your appraisal of Henry, as good a player as he is the english try to make him the best player in the world with all the constant hype. I would have had Shevchenko up there with Van Nistilroy I would have had afew more Italian Based players, for example pirlo for beckham, and Camoranese for Figo and for good measure i would put Zambrotta on for Carlos . I dont no how Lippi wasnt chosen manager after Juve's domination last year. anyway wlcm to the site

lol your right, but i would actually go as far a stick him on the right mid and stick Salgado Right Back

You no what lets all just admit to that fact that we all have got issues , and we would do well to come together to solve these issues. No back stabbing, up-staging, or undercutting, but honest appraisals of our very murky logic process, at least when it comes to this argument Lets address truthfully with being patronizing. The sisters denying that the are too westernized, but cant tell whats left from right. The Dodgy brothers who want to have the pie and eat it aswell without being scrutinzed. The Sisters who bring balance, and the brothers who would do well to be less diplomatic . These above form the constituent to these debates. I for one admit to being slightly contradictory in my outlook. Of course we should look to appreciate the various shades of light and darkness that make up the somali psyche.

Am sure we have all heard of the Programme soon to be, or already hitting the air waves. It seems that the desire to look good, has no limits these days. It should however come as no supprise, for the masses everything is about image. You looking to Get a job, look good. Trying to sell a product, push sex. Trying to win an election....nip-n-tuck!!! well yu would be supprised. Italian Premier, Facist, Media Mogual and owner of 'Lucky team' AC Milan has been accused of having a pre-election Nip-n-Tuck ----------------------------------------------------------- Silvio Berlusconi 'has eye job' Mr Berlusconi has been out of the limelight since 20 December Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a sleek and compact 67-year-old, has had cosmetic surgery, his doctor has told an Italian newspaper. "He's had a little bit of cosmetic surgery around the eyes," La Stampa quoted Umberto Scarpagnini as saying. "Don't ask me anything more because these are private matters." Italy's richest man has not been seen in public since 20 December, spending most of his time at his luxury villa in the Mediterranean island of Sardinia. Satirists describe me as a dwarf, but I am actually 170 centimetres (five feet five inches) tall Silvio Berlusconi La Stampa said the surgery was part of planned new look for Mr Berlusconi prior to European elections in June. It added that he had undertaken a new diet and exercise regime. Hair today Mr Berlusconi is known to take a lot of care over his appearance. In the past, his election posters have been known to show him with more hair than he has in reality. Mr Berlusconi is thought to be sensitive about his height And earlier this year, the Panorama magazine - part of his media empire - touched up a shiny bald patch on the back of his head, covering it with hair. The Italian Journalists' Order began disciplinary proceedings against the magazine, in response. Italian satirists are also fond of drawing attention to Mr Berlusconi's small stature, in the belief that it embarrasses him. They show him standing on stools, wearing platform shoes, or sitting on a chair he can wind up to make it taller. High office At one recent European summit he commented: "Satirists describe me as a dwarf, but I am actually 170 centimetres (five feet five inches) tall... In my day that was considered quite tall." He once also joked, when introducing the EU High Commissioner on foreign and security policy Javier Solana: "Actually he is not that high, he is just as tall as I am!" Mr Berlusconi's prolonged absence from the limelight over Christmas and the New Year had begun to fuel rumours that he might be seriously ill. According to some reports, the European election is not the only one he may end up running in this year. Analysts have speculated that he might call snap elections before his chief rival, Romano Prodi, currently president of the European Commission is ready for them. It is also possible that his fractious coalition government could fall apart. ------------------------------------------------------------------ So how far our is the day when we will see our somali ppl result to comestic surgery to fit in. Perhaps more likely (due to financial constraints) lol is the possibilty of seeing the various duibous character that declare themselves President every now and then having a Nip-n-Tuck to help the cause no

Mid-20's life crisis. That it does seem like a lot of times with the air of uncertainity constantly hovering over ones head It is changing times, and the uncertainity that accompanies it, that brings some harsh realitys to the surfaces. You do indeed find yourself constantly re-evaluting your position in life from day to day, jumping from Euphorea to Near clinical Depression. It is in times like these that paitence alone is not enough. The seige mentality that develops from the many dilema and choices that circle around our thoughts drive one insane, and to that end am thankfully to Allah that i have my Friends and Family. maybe it will help someone feel like they aren't alone in their state of confusion. Nice piece xiddig.

Good team selection. But who are the Right Back and the manager??