Hey get me some more details... I thought the guyz from the 'LAND OF PUNT' as they call it were more african than any other Somalis.. Some claim they were partly related to the Swahilis..off the kenyan coast..because of their closeness with the arabs...and some even equate them with Bajunis.. As for me..I only see some black people claiming they are from 'PUNT' are they MALIS.. :cool: or Swahilis... Ibraheem's :confused:

Asalam aleikum, Only very serious men do the best to care for their women..The rest it is a taboooo to care.. When we hold back our Quraan+Sunnah..that is the time everything will come back to senses..look at the scenario of HIV and about CIVIL WAR...somalia.. It is just absurd... Allah will forgive us insha-allah.. Ibraheem's

Asalam alaikum, Sisters..how did someone like AYAAN HIRSI ALI...the dutch somali MP talk about the mistreatment of women in ISLAM when we have a lot of evidence about the way WOMEN are respected in our dear Religion... For sure every Soul will be judged according to its own intention... I posted the files here so that you know everything about the truth and false...The Holy Quraan say Whosoever follow the truth...it is up to him...and whosoever falls a stray..it is upto him to answer..and God is fair. Ibraheem's

are you guyz still answering the question....or it is now plain shukaansi.... HIV for that matter mostly comes from immorality...and being unGodly..Let me stress that most of the audience here are muslims..and with that we should treat the issue,i mean, the question in islamic terms..then socially... In islam... muslims are supposed to follow their teachings in accordance with the Quraan and hadeeth of the holy prophet..follow that and there is NO HIV... men and women are supposed to be virgin and when married only to their spouses..Read chapter SURA AL MUMINOON...THREE KIND OF TRANSLATION.. 023.005 YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex, PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty - SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts, 023.006 YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable, SOCIALLY... You should go ahead and only choose somebody who has all this qualities...a muslim..someone who was raised islamically...i mean the degree of prevalence will be 0 or minus zero. The holy quraan say... 024.003 YUSUFALI: Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. PICKTHAL: The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers. SHAKIR: The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or idolatress, and (as for) the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolater; and it is forbidden to the believers LAST BUT NOT LEAST...THE PROPHET SAID... THE OATH BETWEEN US AND THEM(NON-MUSLIMS)IS PRAYERS..WHOEVER DOESN'T PRAY IS NOT A MUSLIM.. Ibraheem's

Concerning man's treatment to woman, it has been reported that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The best amongst you are those who are best to their wives, and I am the best to my wives." Ebraheem's:cool:

Hi asalam aleykum all, THE PROPHET MOHAMED(PEACE BE UPON HIM)SAID THE FOLLOWING ABOUT WOMEN... 1. Concerning the composition of woman in society, the Prophet says: "Women are the other halves of men." 2. Concerning her treatment, it has been reported by Abu Burairah that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "And you are recommended to treat women with the best ... and indeed you are advised to treat women with goodness." 3. Concerning man's treatment to woman, it has been reported that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The best amongst you are those who are best to their wives, and I am the best to my wives." 4. Concerning her treatment with gentleness, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Be kind with the soft and gentle ones (females)." 5. Concerning her responsibility at home, it was reported by Abdullah that Prophet Muhammad said: "And woman is a leader on her husband's house and she is accounted for that. 6. Concerning their preference and their position in paradise, they were given the preference over their husbands in this world and in the Hereafter. It was reported that Prophet Muhammad said: "Your mother, your mother and then your father, indeed paradise is under the feet of the mothers." 7. Women are not supposed to obey their husbands when ordered to disobey Allah. They are to obey and to please Allah first and foremost. It has been reported that Prophet Muhammad said: 'A woman does not obey her husband in disobedience to Allah." 8. Concerning her right from her husband it was reported by Abdullah bin 'Amer bin al-'*** that Prophet Muhammad said: "…and to your wife you have a duty and a responsibility." Dear Muslims: From the above collection of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on the subject, one may conclude the following: 1. Woman is to be raised properly when she is young as a daughter. 2. She is to be treated very kindly. 3. She is to lead a happy life at home as a wife and a mother. 4. She is to raise her children properly so as she will be a good teacher. a good leader, a good trainer, a good mother and a good grandmother. 5. She is to be rewarded in the world as well as in the Hereafter. Dear Muslims: May I request you to play your effective role in molding and in, bringing up a new generation and a new group of leaders who are more than half of the society. These in turn are to shape up the future leaders of mankind. In so doing, you have played your role perfectly; you have benefited from the teachings of the leader, Prophet Muhammad, an, you will be rewarded by Allah Almighty for your efforts. Ameen. Let us ask Almighty Allah forgiveness. Ibraheem's...visit http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4482/articles.html

Asalam aleykum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu... We as somalis, and as muslims are astonished to hear someone...again..a fellow somali.. speaking about THE RIGHT OF A MUSLIM WOMAN in a different perspective... Let me clarify that you can as well log in to www.google.com and search for thousands of pieces of information regarding the same... Kindly acknowledge that this is a religious duty(DAWA)and more will follow for this topic. By the way after doing alot of research on women in both biblibal and Quranic versions...and the tendencies among the indian/Roman/European...we found out the follwoing information...you can go to www.jamaat.com or continue reading the following pieces of information...then judge... PRINT IF YOU CAN IT IS IMPORTANT 1.FREEDOM A young girl came before the holy Prophet perplexed and anxious and exclaimed: “O Messenger of Allah. . . From the hand of this father...†“But what has your father done to youâ€, the Prophet asked. “He has a nephewâ€, she replied, “and he has given me in marriage to him before consulting me in the matterâ€. “Now that he has done it,†said the Prophet, “you should not oppose it. Agree to it, and be your cousin’s wife.†“O Messenger of Allah! I do not like my cousin. How can I be the wife of a man whom I do not like.†“If you do not like him, that is an end to the matter. You have full authority. Go and make the choice of man whom you would like to marry.†“By chanceâ€, the girl finally admitted, “I very much like my cousin and do not like any other person but because my father did this thing without asking my consent, I have purposely come to put questions on this matter and to get your replies and hear this decision from you, and so inform all women that henceforth fathers have no right to take a decision on their own and give their daughter in marriage to anyone they like.†2.GENERAL RIGHTS Women in Islam Islam has given women rights and privileges that they never enjoyed under other religious or constitutional systems. The rights of women in Islam are unique, novel, and have no similarities in any other system. What Islam has established for women is that, which suits their nature, gives them full security and protects them against disgraceful circumstances and uncertain situations. Islam recognizes women as full and equal partners of men in the procreation of humankind. Women have equal share in every aspect; they are entitled to equal rights; and they undertake equal responsibilities. Women are equal to men in the pursuit of education and knowledge. When Islam enjoins the seeking of knowledge upon Muslims, it makes no distinction between men and women. Almost fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (PBUH) declared that the pursuit of knowledge is incumbent on every Muslim male and female. This declaration was very clear and was implemented by Muslims throughout history. Women are entitled to freedom of expression as much as men. Their sound opinions are taken into consideration and cannot be disregarded just because they happen to come from a member of the female gender. Historical records show that women participated in public life with the early Muslims, especially in times of emergencies. Women used to accompany Muslim armies engaged in battles to nurse the wounded, prepare supplies, serve the warriors, and so on. Islam grants women equal rights to contract, to enterprise, to earn and possess independently. Women's life, property, and honor are as sacred as those of men. If women commit any offense, their penalty is no less or more than of men in a similar cases. If a woman is harmed, she gets due compensations equal to what a man in her position would get.(2:178;4:45, 92-93). Islam has given women a share of inheritance. Before Islam, women were not only deprived of that share but were themselves considered as property to be inherited by men. Out of that transferable property Islam made an heir, acknowledging the inherent human qualifies in women. Whether a woman is a wife, a mother, a sister, or a daughter, she receives a certain share of the deceased kin's property, a share which depends on her degree of relationship to the deceased and the number of heirs. This share is hers, and no one can take it away or disinherit her. Even if the deceased wishes to deprive her by making a will to other relations or in favor of any other cause, the Law will not allow him to do so. According to Islam both men and women are equally entitled to inherit the property of the deceased relations but the portions they get may vary. In some instances men receive two shares whereas women get one only. The reason men receive two parts of inheritance is that, men are responsible for the complete maintenance of their wives, their families and any other needy relations. It is the man's duty by Law to assume all financial responsibilities and maintain his dependents adequately. It is also his duty to contribute financially to all good causes in his society. All financial burdens are borne by men alone. On the other hand women have no financial responsibilities whatsoever except very little of her personal expenses. Women are financially secure and provided for. If a woman is a wife, her husband is the provider; if she is a mother, it is the son; if she is a daughter, it is the father; if she is a sister; it is the brother, and so on. If she has no relations on whom she can depend, then there is no question of inheritance because there is nothing to inherit. Maintenance of such a woman is the responsibility of the society as a whole, the State. She may be given aid or a job to earn her living, and whatever money she makes will be hers. If Islam deprives the female completely, it would be unjust to her because she is related to the deceased. Likewise, if she is given a share equal to the man, it would be unjust to him as he is the one who bears all the financial responsibilities. So, instead of doing injustice to either side, Islam gives the man a larger portion of the inherited property to help him to meet his family needs and social responsibilities. In some instances of bearing witness to certain civil contracts, two men are required or one man and two women. Women may not be as experienced in practical life as men. This lack of experience may cause a loss to any party in a given contract. So the Law requires that at least two women should bear witness with one man. if a woman of the witness forgets something, the other one would remind her. Or if she makes an error, due to lack of experience, the other would help to correct her. This is a precautionary measure to guarantee honest transactions and proper dealings between people. Women enjoy certain privileges of which men are deprived. Women are exempted from some religious duties, i.e., prayers and fasting, in her regular periods and at times of confinement. She is exempted from all financial liabilities. As a mother, she enjoys more recognition and higher honor in the sight of God .The Prophet acknowledged this honor when he declared that Paradise is under the feet of the mothers. Women are entitled to three-fourths of the son's love and kindness with one-fourth left for their father. As a wife she is entitled to demand of her prospective husband a suitable dowry that will be her own. She is entitled to complete provision and total maintenance by the husband. She does not have to work or share with her husband the family expenses. She is free to retain, after marriage, whatever she possessed before it, and the husband has no right whatsoever to any of her belongings. As a daughter or sister she is entitled to security and provision by the father and brother respectively. That is her privilege. If she wishes to work or be self-supporting and participates in handling the family responsibilities, she is quite free to do so, provided her integrity and honor are safeguarded. The standing of women in prayers behind man is a regulation of discipline in prayers, and not a classification of importance. The order of lines in prayers is introduced to help every one to concentrate in his meditation. It is very important because Muslim prayers are not simply the sing-a-song type. They involve actions, motions, standing, bowing, prostration, etc. So if men mix with women in the same lines, it is possible that something disturbing or distracting may happen. The mind will become occupied by something alien to prayer and derailed from the clear path of mediation. The result will be a loss of the purpose of prayers. No Muslim man or woman is allowed during prayers to touch the body of another person of the opposite sex. If men and women stand side by side in prayer they cannot avoid touching each other. Furthermore, when a woman is praying in front of a man or beside him, it is very likely that any part of her dressed body may become uncovered after a certain motion of bowing. The man's eye may happen to be looking at the uncovered part, he will be exposed to distraction or possibly evil thoughts. So, to avoid any distraction to help concentrate on meditation and pure thoughts, to fulfill the true purposes of prayers, Islam has ordained the organization of rows, whereby men stand in front lines, and women behind the children. A Muslim woman should beautify herself with the veil of honor, dignity, chastity, purity and integrity. She should refrain from all deeds and gestures that might stir the passions of people other than her husband or cause evil suspicion of her morality. She is warned not to display her charms or expose her physical attractions before strangers. The veil that she must put on is one that can save her personality from demoralization. Islam is most concerned with the integrity of women, with the safeguarding of their morals and morale and with the protection of their character and personality (Qur'an, 24:30-31). The rules for women in Islam are realistically suitable to their nature. Their rights and duties are equal to those of men but not necessarily or absolutely identical with them. If a woman is deprived of one thing in some aspect, she is fully compensated for it with more things in many other aspects. The fact that she belongs to the female gender has no bearing on her human status or independent personality. Islam gives her as much as is required by her. Her rights match beautifully with her duties. The balance between rights and duties is maintained, and no side overweighs the other. When you're covered (hijab), you're treating each other as human beings without being distracted by the physical appearance and will be evaluated for intelligence and skills. Covering is ordered in the Quran, and it is not nearly as restrictive as some people believe. The translation for hijab (the term used for covering the hair, arms, and legs) is "shield", and it is shielding the woman from harm and corruption. It doesn't restrict the freedom of the woman to move about, to carry out all her normal duties. Wearing the Hijaab isn't just a matter of simply putting a piece of cloth on your head, it is an attitude, a way of thinking and behaving, and accepting yourself for who and what you are. Basically it constitutes an Islamic way of life.

By the way after doing alot of research on women in both biblibal and Quranic versions...and the tendencies among the indian/Roman/European...we found out the follwoing information...you can go to www.jamaat.com or continue reading the following pieces of information...then judge... PRINT IF YOU CAN IT IS IMPORTANT 1.FREEDOM A young girl came before the holy Prophet perplexed and anxious and exclaimed: “O Messenger of Allah. . . From the hand of this father...†“But what has your father done to youâ€, the Prophet asked. “He has a nephewâ€, she replied, “and he has given me in marriage to him before consulting me in the matterâ€. “Now that he has done it,†said the Prophet, “you should not oppose it. Agree to it, and be your cousin’s wife.†“O Messenger of Allah! I do not like my cousin. How can I be the wife of a man whom I do not like.†“If you do not like him, that is an end to the matter. You have full authority. Go and make the choice of man whom you would like to marry.†“By chanceâ€, the girl finally admitted, “I very much like my cousin and do not like any other person but because my father did this thing without asking my consent, I have purposely come to put questions on this matter and to get your replies and hear this decision from you, and so inform all women that henceforth fathers have no right to take a decision on their own and give their daughter in marriage to anyone they like.†2.GENERAL RIGHTS Women in Islam Islam has given women rights and privileges that they never enjoyed under other religious or constitutional systems. The rights of women in Islam are unique, novel, and have no similarities in any other system. What Islam has established for women is that, which suits their nature, gives them full security and protects them against disgraceful circumstances and uncertain situations. Islam recognizes women as full and equal partners of men in the procreation of humankind. Women have equal share in every aspect; they are entitled to equal rights; and they undertake equal responsibilities. Women are equal to men in the pursuit of education and knowledge. When Islam enjoins the seeking of knowledge upon Muslims, it makes no distinction between men and women. Almost fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (PBUH) declared that the pursuit of knowledge is incumbent on every Muslim male and female. This declaration was very clear and was implemented by Muslims throughout history. Women are entitled to freedom of expression as much as men. Their sound opinions are taken into consideration and cannot be disregarded just because they happen to come from a member of the female gender. Historical records show that women participated in public life with the early Muslims, especially in times of emergencies. Women used to accompany Muslim armies engaged in battles to nurse the wounded, prepare supplies, serve the warriors, and so on. Islam grants women equal rights to contract, to enterprise, to earn and possess independently. Women's life, property, and honor are as sacred as those of men. If women commit any offense, their penalty is no less or more than of men in a similar cases. If a woman is harmed, she gets due compensations equal to what a man in her position would get.(2:178;4:45, 92-93). Islam has given women a share of inheritance. Before Islam, women were not only deprived of that share but were themselves considered as property to be inherited by men. Out of that transferable property Islam made an heir, acknowledging the inherent human qualifies in women. Whether a woman is a wife, a mother, a sister, or a daughter, she receives a certain share of the deceased kin's property, a share which depends on her degree of relationship to the deceased and the number of heirs. This share is hers, and no one can take it away or disinherit her. Even if the deceased wishes to deprive her by making a will to other relations or in favor of any other cause, the Law will not allow him to do so. According to Islam both men and women are equally entitled to inherit the property of the deceased relations but the portions they get may vary. In some instances men receive two shares whereas women get one only. The reason men receive two parts of inheritance is that, men are responsible for the complete maintenance of their wives, their families and any other needy relations. It is the man's duty by Law to assume all financial responsibilities and maintain his dependents adequately. It is also his duty to contribute financially to all good causes in his society. All financial burdens are borne by men alone. On the other hand women have no financial responsibilities whatsoever except very little of her personal expenses. Women are financially secure and provided for. If a woman is a wife, her husband is the provider; if she is a mother, it is the son; if she is a daughter, it is the father; if she is a sister; it is the brother, and so on. If she has no relations on whom she can depend, then there is no question of inheritance because there is nothing to inherit. Maintenance of such a woman is the responsibility of the society as a whole, the State. She may be given aid or a job to earn her living, and whatever money she makes will be hers. If Islam deprives the female completely, it would be unjust to her because she is related to the deceased. Likewise, if she is given a share equal to the man, it would be unjust to him as he is the one who bears all the financial responsibilities. So, instead of doing injustice to either side, Islam gives the man a larger portion of the inherited property to help him to meet his family needs and social responsibilities. In some instances of bearing witness to certain civil contracts, two men are required or one man and two women. Women may not be as experienced in practical life as men. This lack of experience may cause a loss to any party in a given contract. So the Law requires that at least two women should bear witness with one man. if a woman of the witness forgets something, the other one would remind her. Or if she makes an error, due to lack of experience, the other would help to correct her. This is a precautionary measure to guarantee honest transactions and proper dealings between people. Women enjoy certain privileges of which men are deprived. Women are exempted from some religious duties, i.e., prayers and fasting, in her regular periods and at times of confinement. She is exempted from all financial liabilities. As a mother, she enjoys more recognition and higher honor in the sight of God .The Prophet acknowledged this honor when he declared that Paradise is under the feet of the mothers. Women are entitled to three-fourths of the son's love and kindness with one-fourth left for their father. As a wife she is entitled to demand of her prospective husband a suitable dowry that will be her own. She is entitled to complete provision and total maintenance by the husband. She does not have to work or share with her husband the family expenses. She is free to retain, after marriage, whatever she possessed before it, and the husband has no right whatsoever to any of her belongings. As a daughter or sister she is entitled to security and provision by the father and brother respectively. That is her privilege. If she wishes to work or be self-supporting and participates in handling the family responsibilities, she is quite free to do so, provided her integrity and honor are safeguarded. The standing of women in prayers behind man is a regulation of discipline in prayers, and not a classification of importance. The order of lines in prayers is introduced to help every one to concentrate in his meditation. It is very important because Muslim prayers are not simply the sing-a-song type. They involve actions, motions, standing, bowing, prostration, etc. So if men mix with women in the same lines, it is possible that something disturbing or distracting may happen. The mind will become occupied by something alien to prayer and derailed from the clear path of mediation. The result will be a loss of the purpose of prayers. No Muslim man or woman is allowed during prayers to touch the body of another person of the opposite sex. If men and women stand side by side in prayer they cannot avoid touching each other. Furthermore, when a woman is praying in front of a man or beside him, it is very likely that any part of her dressed body may become uncovered after a certain motion of bowing. The man's eye may happen to be looking at the uncovered part, he will be exposed to distraction or possibly evil thoughts. So, to avoid any distraction to help concentrate on meditation and pure thoughts, to fulfill the true purposes of prayers, Islam has ordained the organization of rows, whereby men stand in front lines, and women behind the children. A Muslim woman should beautify herself with the veil of honor, dignity, chastity, purity and integrity. She should refrain from all deeds and gestures that might stir the passions of people other than her husband or cause evil suspicion of her morality. She is warned not to display her charms or expose her physical attractions before strangers. The veil that she must put on is one that can save her personality from demoralization. Islam is most concerned with the integrity of women, with the safeguarding of their morals and morale and with the protection of their character and personality (Qur'an, 24:30-31). The rules for women in Islam are realistically suitable to their nature. Their rights and duties are equal to those of men but not necessarily or absolutely identical with them. If a woman is deprived of one thing in some aspect, she is fully compensated for it with more things in many other aspects. The fact that she belongs to the female gender has no bearing on her human status or independent personality. Islam gives her as much as is required by her. Her rights match beautifully with her duties. The balance between rights and duties is maintained, and no side overweighs the other. When you're covered (hijab), you're treating each other as human beings without being distracted by the physical appearance and will be evaluated for intelligence and skills. Covering is ordered in the Quran, and it is not nearly as restrictive as some people believe. The translation for hijab (the term used for covering the hair, arms, and legs) is "shield", and it is shielding the woman from harm and corruption. It doesn't restrict the freedom of the woman to move about, to carry out all her normal duties. Wearing the Hijaab isn't just a matter of simply putting a piece of cloth on your head, it is an attitude, a way of thinking and behaving, and accepting yourself for who and what you are. Basically it constitutes an Islamic way of life.

...I think you guyz were figuring the Real Somali Kenyan lady in the KENYAN SCENRAION not the typical walendos who 'ATE' and 'MATE' all wajatheeees na waluhyas in kenya. Ati waluhya..walikuwa wakicome na 'INGOKHO'ku feast on walendos back early 90's...walahi they really feasted on them... ...very bad...it was a RIFF OFFFFF.... Can any lady 'mlendo' tell us how it tasted... Can anyone volunteer... Ibraheem waiting

Hi n Raula m sure you aren't talking to me... Let the audience have their say... We are the OLd sChOoL isich WOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: Ibraaheeeeem's

Lol am preparing to pay one day... pretty soon...audhu billahhhhhhhhhh Ibraheem's

I was once working in Machakos...and it is true....They do it sana... Mombasa Queen...About the Somali kenyan lady...then what happens after that........ ...JAMAA ALIZIMIA.... wacha nichekeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.... All kenyans are HORNY...the degree only differs Ibraheem's

you are so nice Mombasa Queen...I think you did the right way to welcome me to this site.. Thanks...you are one of my mabeste.. Ibraheeem's

Ati hata Tana River ni coast..I thought this guys are here for a different motive...ni kubwa kuliko kashata..mabuyu na kadhalika......... Rendezvous...anaenda hivi :mad: mfuate ule asali

oNlY FoR MaBeStEEEE..... Wengine wakasorore kwengine..

An 18 year-old girl tells her Mom that she has missed her period for two months. Very worried, the mother goes to the Drugstore and buys a pregnancy kit. The test result shows that the girl is pregnant. Shouting, cursing, crying, the mother says, "Who Was the pig that did this to you? I want to know!" The girl picks up the phone and makes a call. Half an hour later a Ferrari stops in front of their house; a mature and distinguished man with gray hair and impeccably dressed in an Armani suit steps out the Ferrari and enters the house. He sits in the living room with the father and the mother, and the girl and tells them: " your daughter has informed me of the problem. However, I Can't marry her because of my personal family situation but I'll take charge. I will pay all costs and provide for your daughter for the rest of her life. Additionally, If a girl is born I will bequeath her 2 retail stores, a townhouse, a beachfront villa and a $1,000,000 bank account. If a boy is born, my legacy will be a couple of factories and a $2,000,000 bank account. If it is twins, a factory and $2,000,000 each. However, if there is a miscarriage, what do you suggest I do?". At this point, the father, who had remined silent, places a hand firmly On the man's shoulder and tells him, "You try again."