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Originally posted by NGONGE: .... Here you have women in their prime with the time and means to entertain themselves without being encumbered with a demanding husband. They’re free to do whatever they want to do. Married women look at them wistfully and are jealous by such freedom. Why should I cut down going to weddings just because I’m married, they ask! Why can’t I up and go on holiday (on my own) when I want to? Why share, discuss and agree every little detail with my husband when ‘her’ across the road from me (who is of less intelligence, uglier and down right common) could do whatever she likes? I should be free to make my own choices; this is a free country after all. If he (the husband) does not like it, well tough! The men themselves: look at their fellow (but divorced/unattached) men and also long for such freedoms. How could ‘he’ across the road from me (who earns less, knows less and is a total simpleton) have the freedom to do whatever he likes and whenever he likes without having to appease his wife, and I can’t? I should be free to make my own choices; this is a free country after all. If she (the wife) does not like it, well tough! So this is what causes arguments in a family, that later becomes a divorce which in turn creates single mothers & fathers, kids to suffer and a host of other problems? Practical feminism If at all Feminism does not give these rights: Wear semi-nude, Talk dirty, To do whatever you want in the world calling it Freedom, even against your religion, your family, The fredom to mess your own family, The freedom to riot, smoke, drink and be free, The freedom to become an atheist... Then they call it something else Read This BBC Documentary, [Mary Walker was Production Coordinator on the BBC2 series Living Islam. Article courtesy of Impact Magazine] When I joined the team of "Living Islam" two years ago, my perception of Islam was dominated by prejudice and ignorance, and I found its treatment of women abhorrent. To me the veil symbolised the oppression of women, making them invisible, anonymous and voiceless, and the cause of this oppression lay in the will to perpetuate the family and maintain a patriarchal framework - the very basis of an Islamic Society. I thought women were entirely submerged by divine justification of their role as wife and mother. . . "Living Islam" was filmed over two years in 19 different countries and on location I was a lone female in an otherwise male team. . . The first Muslim woman I met in Mali was far removed from my preconception about the Muslim female. She was the wife of a Shaikh dedicated to converting pagan villagers to Islam. A sophisticated, well-educated woman, previously married to a diplomat, she had renounced a Western lifestyle for a life in purdah. . . The emancipated woman in the West faces the conflict between confirmation of her femininity and the privileges that she associates with it, and repudiation of the confines of her female role and all the limitations that men want her to assume. From where I stood, this woman had transformed those limitations into priviliges. . . On my next trip to northern Nigeria I met two more women who would alter my views even further. . . And once again they had rejected the Western lifestyle which I considered so superior to Islam in its treatment of women. . . The women talked and in their answers I saw the seeds of my own re-evalutions. They argued that the veil signified their rejection of an unacceptable system of values which debased women while Islam elevated women to a position of honour and respect. "It is not liberation where you say women should go naked. It is just oppression, because men want to see them naked." Just as to us the veil represents Muslim oppression, to them miniskirts and plunging necklines represent oppression. They said that men are cheating women in the West. They let us believe we're liberated but enslave us to the male gaze. However much I insist on the right to choose what I wear, I cannot deny that the choice is often dictated by what will make my body more attractive to men. Women cannot separate their identity from their appearance and so we remain trapped in the traditional feminine world, where the rules are written by men. By choosing to wear the veil, these women were making a conscious decision to define their role in society and their relationship with men. . . So were my notions of oppression in the form of the veil disqualified? If my definition of equality was free will then I could no longer define that oppression as a symptom of Islam. The women had all excercised their right to choose. To some extent, they were freer than me - I had less control over my destiny. I could no longer point at them and say they were oppressed and I was not. My life was influenced by male approval as theirs - but the element of choice had been taken out of mine. Their situations and their arguments had, after all, served to highlight shortcomings in my view of my own liberty. Do I say?

Originally posted by Cambarro: Assaalamu aleykum TenaciousSoul: "y cant we be happy being single" Cambaro: Islam considers marriage as one of the most virtuous and approved institutions. Divorce is hated by Allah. Therefore we need to put our trust in Allah and choose our partners wisely. Nothing is smooth in life so the art of compromising is necessary. BUT Many ladies who married to non-somalis told me themselves that if they had to marry again, they would have married a somali man. Originally posted by Khalaf: ^^^^ In Germany this summer I met a white brother from Denmark guess what had already divorced two sistas, and on his third wife!!!!!!! Some of our women are cheap walaalhi…. BUT even my religious moms was like why would she marry an outsider who alreadly divorced two somaali woman-something gotta be wrong with the dude. Somali ladies, beware..The world outside has noticed, you are Just toooooo cheap But why? Cambaro REAL status however :cool: :cool: "I am happily married to a somali brother Alhamdulilaah. I honestly feel that a somali men would understand a somali women and vice versa.

Originally posted by BORN_BRANIAC: ... a Muslim man would be talking caring of all the issues in first place that's his role, just like RendezVous said be, she explained really good. salam Hey, That is the worst mistake you did in SOL....I need an apology in writing

A lot of Nux nux and new words.. Dheeylo.......???? Upstairs.........????? Downstairs...........???? Nux Nux.....??? much worse of nonsense........... Originally posted by Dabshid: After having one real good meal, and enjoying it at first time,does it taste the same after a while? so "your woman" is same as a "a good meal"..is that what you just said

Many Muslims are not aware about these Quraanic verses and when asked, If Islam said this and this, quickly get panicking, so I wanted us to reconsider reading the following verses and and understand their contents.. Nursing else.... am sorry if that took your time..

Originally posted by MC Xamar: A guy who speaks mostly nonsense and a girl who writes letters to cats.....I think Shabanu and Rudy are a match made in heaven!! Hey, utter disgust!! it was even better you understood the crap as nonsense, but wait, What do u call a meel coat???? TOM? Where is the love???

Quick Noble Verses that refute the terrorism LIE in Islam: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)" "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)" "If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)" "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)" "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)" "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)" "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)" "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" "If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)" "Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)" "Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)" The Source & Other sources Islam denounces Terrorism

We atleast have very intelligent and knowledgable people here and I am proud

Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote:Originally posted by Modesty: ^stubborn due to brainwashing. Since you believe Islam due to your parents being muslims, how are you different? There is no brainwashing of Muslims..We are learned people who have studied theology and religious dialogue like the famous Islamic debator , Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's from South Africa , Read his books here... By the way, Did u ever read these stuff..........Meant to taunt the propagandas they have waged against Islam..Kudos to this website

Originally posted by Valenteenah: ^^ You are getting silly in your old age. By the way, Being a muslim is way more "modern" than the old aged Christianity Cambaro, same..I have NEVER met a somali christian..I was told a dozen of them were seen being given some few dollars to preach anti-islam biblical teachings In somali ..The problem started when they went to the Somalis preaching.. Preacher: (starts saying) Illahi,iyo wilkiisa.. Somali audience: (suprised and thinking) Prophet Mohamed.. :mad: :mad: Somalis know Illahi as Allah and there was a problem for another christian preacher when he was asked, why don't you mention Prophet Mohamed saw..which he couldn't describe.. It is ironic coz in our own Islamic preaching, we mention, our dear prophet Mohamed together with Prophet Issa(jesus)Allahi salaam.. The following blogs shows projects for christinization of Somali Kenyans, War On Islam & Christinization Program:Kenyan Somalis

Originally posted by Pure blood: Gashaan means whore. Gashaanti mean a great girl,I don't see how either would work for a guy. About the internet dating/marriage thing, I think its really wierd, besides people are not as they seem in real life, the internent becomes an outlet for them to be a different and they take that chance, so the person you have met on here might not be the same person after couple of weeks of dating/marrying. I know this one guys (well I don't know him, lives a cross the street from me) who married two girls that he had met on somali-life (?, Mod why can't we type that), and lets just say they flew fro Toronto and Australia and went straight back after weeks; apperently the guy was very conrtolling he would not let them out the house or let anyone see them, and a liar who said he would throw a magnificent wedding, which was not the case, for he had a little get together at his house with a cd player and couple of his cousins. Ridiculous unless you are going by your signature..

Originally posted by Tenaciousgirl: i just need to understand, y cant we be happy being single :confused: ... and if the answer is; we have needs.. than use some ice and quit watching romantic movies seriously, being single seems to be the best way to go vs getting married in this time and age! yes, im not brave enough to get divorced, since thats the fashion in somaliwood I have "issues" with people who speak for 20 million Somalis around the world Infact the boys nowadays are of "good breed"..I think this has to do with some deen, access to Education..I thought and ruffian as in 'rufiyaan nimanka and naagaha isku geysa'...keep up..You are doing a great work..This is digital age

The topic of marriage is BIG and important. Marriage has more advantages than disadvantages and hence Islam gives it more "relevance"..It urges it's youth to make marriages.. I think couples should believe in Allah s.w and strive to work hard judging someone by small mistakes here and there will never help..There is an issue that deals with sabar(perseverence).. Men should atleast make sure that their women are HAPPY and satisfied..You should never work to break a family.. Furthermore, if you don't wanna marry, you would have stayed away..

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: ^^^Rendev...I have given you Val's Hand..from now on..I hope You cherish her, love her and treat her well...You will teach her the quran and ahaadiith..do you accept?? Cheers Did she say Mis-treatment..??? Lol@internet Luv Shit Happens

Hey Cambaro, I think everyone defines romance in a different way...A case in example.. I see my big brother married for close to 15 years who is really happy with his wife who is 5 years younger..than him I meet them happy, laughing together, eating our together, driving to pray in various mosques together..sometime driving to a very off picnics with their kids..Maybe even for safaris..sometime on weekends..They travel to the desert wadi safaris..even spend there.. The happy couple stay very close together..help each other..run business together, By the way, his wife is outgoing and very freindly..She is the one holding the family just together..She loves our family..we love her family..You will think, the couple is just in "Romance" They even leave to spend together while their kids are with us having fun in the beach..and elsewhere so what is your definition of "Romance"? anyway are you talking of "love"..????

Originally posted by Tenaciousgirl: ^ bravo bravo. you have truly coined an appealing term for our educated halimos. Sadly for u guys .. A faraax who is academically well equipped will always be a faraax; who holds dear to these dark substance.. qabil, womanizing, over smoking, jaad, no eager in improving the state of our people or nation or anything for that matter.... all that needs to be done, we halimos and Caraweelos are managing it well Yeah one typical caraweelo.. who thinks everyone's like her dude

Something wrong with somali parenting????? Yes............

Originally posted by JUSTICE: quote: I don’t have any think against you it’s just that you defending Somali men and your ignoring what they do wrong that’s all. Finally, I found someone who feels the same. Somali men don't want to move forward, they just want to be the normal farax forever. By the way..Faaraxz change with time...when was your last time you spoke with a faarax

Originally posted by me: ^^^I must be dummng down. I didnt get it Anyhow I really think there should be SOL matrimonial section. Its hard for Faraxs and Araweelo's to meet these days, especially Araweelo's that went to college have allot of trouble. How do I know this? hmmmmm. The ones who went to college are called "carawelos"...Ok...I have heard about "xaliimos"...illiterate?????????? The admins/mods must do something to the mat section...... Do I say???????

Originally posted by JUSTICE: I havn't came across these men your talking about, and I wish if I can meet one of them... am talking about the young men who are just starting their lives with a new wife. It's true that they need to work together so they can survive, but It's always important for the guy to be the main bread winner. what am seeing now is men trying to act smart and run after girls who are already got houses and who are loaded with money. Sometimes the girl might be earning more money than the guy. This is what really worry me. Men are not the same men anymore. They are lazy, dependent on women, and can't take responsibility. I wish if These men you talked about sharmarke were the majority, but they are not, and maybe they are not young in their twenties. You are yet to meet the world Justice..or maybe you thought the world is your door step...They are millions...ask me Do we need to say.. Lazy men kulaha...

I take this opportunity to express my utmost regrets to the issues you raised about "Somali" men..I never wish to be a "family counsellor" but there are "topics" I can't avoid.. First of all, being a somali man myself, I humbly would like to apologize on behalf of all somali men, for what happened/happening to you:Justice We know from statistics, That there is a lot of abuse taking places in many parts of the world and that us, Somalis are no an exception. Nevertheless, let me make it clear that, not all the people in the world are the same..It is hard to compare people, some people may be termed "harsh", some cruel,some may be termed "irresponsible".. But excuse me, I will explain it even more.. A Muslim man is supposed to take charge of his responsibilities at home fully and make sure that, his wife, their kids, his family, wife's family are well taken care of, whether by him/or through collateral agreement with his wife(If she is capable, that is, but not a must)..atleast to make the family happy. This is a duty enshrined in our religion, we don't need to discuss this now and then, but to make it happen, yacni like, to make your family happy is such an enormous project that may take time. For a person to make his family happy, Islam, compares him to what the prophet did during his time, Marvel this, Prophet Mohamed s.a.w says "The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family".. & "The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives". (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396) The Qur'an clearly indicates that marriage is sharing between the two halves of the society, and that its objectives, beside perpetuating human life, are emotional well-being and spiritual harmony. Its bases are love and mercy. Among the most impressive verses in the Qur'an concerning a family, man/woman relation in a family, "And among His signs is this: That He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest, peace of mind in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy. Lo, herein indeed are signs for people who reflect." (Qur'an 30:2 1). We may reason enough that this quranic interpretations surely focuses on the happiness that needs to be seen in a family: The Quraan Stresses this nobility and natural conception in a family, factors which create a happy family, and states "He (God) it is who did create you from a single soul and therefrom did create his mate, that he might dwell with her (in love)...(Qur'an 7:189) The Creator of heavens and earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves "... Qur'an 42:1 1 "And Allah has given you mates of your own nature, and has given you from your mates, children and grandchildren, and has made provision of good things for you. Is it then in vanity that they believe and in the grace of God that they disbelieve?" Qur'an 16:72 It's my wish to all Somalis/Non-Somalis/Muslims to preach a happy family, supporting each other, to have sabar in this difficult economic life and practice Islam.. Have a happy day, won't you?

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Originally posted by Khalaf: I went to Dubai for two weeks this July with my moms……I love my mom….but never will I ever travel with a woman no disrespect…La ilaha illah….all we seem to do those two weeks was shop for dirac and gold….suq after suq after suq. How many diharms? Its 200 dihrams….thats to expensive….okay take it for 120 dihrams…no…ok take it for 100 diharams…..shit where is the set price….how u gonna argue 30 minutes just to buy something! ….and the heat shit I almost died…..it is the hottest place I have ever been to! As soon as we step out of airport the heat gives u salaam and smacks u in the face….and there will be undercover taxidrivers who are Somali that will take u to hotel so don’t worry if its your first time and u don’t have family, there are many Somalis….we stayed at City Gold good hotel I recommend it. I didn’t like dubai at all…but I wasn’t having fun…but was being the bag boy for my moms….I took tour only one night….city looks much better at night and is better to enjoy it at night. And Rahima Dubai is not that religious as compared to other “Muslim†Countries. I went to Jordon while back and as soon as the adan is called every shop closes for salat…..not in Dubai and Its much more peaceful I felt in Jordan….I didn’t get that Islamic vibe in Dubai....but its international city thou. yo North good luck sxb….I don’t see why someone would want to live there…but many Somalis are buying real estate there and starting business….our people are everywhere walalhi working hard….Africa’s finest. ^^^^deathrow lol....walked there day after day with bags after my moms :mad: love u mama Dubai is now full of Sasmalis..oh Somalis..when are they going back?

Originally posted by Khayr: Salams, Are these members active participants in SOL? yes Have they made a post in the last little month? Before the summer? Winter? Last year? (when was the last time they posted on SOL?) They make good contribution to the threads here in SOL...The lady is an active member I don't know though of new members and their ability to establish ties, find a mate on SOL. There are just too many names and NAME CHANGES on here nowadays for that too happen. you are right