You will alwys find.. Inal muuminiina wal muuminaati..Inaal Muslimiina wal muslimaati.. No exception of men/women in ISLAM..they go together and that show the importance of Women in ISLAM..unlike other religions like Christianity..Where In Hebrew literature and in Catholic Bible we read: "No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman.....Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die" (Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24). Jewish Rabbis listed nine curses inflicted on women as a result of the Fall: "To the woman He gave nine curses and death: the burden of the blood of menstruation and the blood of virginity; the burden of pregnancy; the burden of childbirth; the burden of bringing up the children; her head is covered as one in mourning; she pierces her ear like a permanent slave or slave girl who serves her master; she is not to be believed as a witness; and after everything--death." To the present day, orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite "Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman." The women, on the other hand, thank God every morning for "making me according to Thy will." 3 Another prayer found in many Jewish prayer books: "Praised be God that he has not created me a gentile. Praised be God that he has not created me a woman . Praised be God that he has not created me an ignoramus." 4 The Biblical Eve has played a far bigger role in Christianity than in Judaism. Her sin has been pivotal to the whole Christian faith because the Christian conception of the reason for the mission of Jesus Christ on Earth stems from Eve's disobedience to God. She had sinned and then seduced Adam to follow her suit. Consequently, God expelled both of them from Heaven to Earth, which had been cursed because of them. They bequeathed their sin, which had not been forgiven by God, to all their descendants and, thus, all humans are born in sin. In order to purify human beings from their 'original sin', God had to sacrifice Jesus, who is considered to be the Son of God, on the cross. Therefore, Eve is responsible for her own mistake, her husband's sin, the original sin of all humanity, and the death of the Son of God. In other words, one woman acting on her own caused the fall of humanity. 5 What about her daughters? They are sinners like her and have to be treated as such. Listen to the severe tone of St. Paul in the New Testament: "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner" (I Timothy 2:11-14). Do we have those problems in ISLAM... The answer is NO.

The americans want to dictate everything to the world..by doctoring even lists..by putting Bush and Condoleezza Rice to the top on the list ...The list looses the meaning.. :mad: :mad:

This is serious..Or she used to have a small kiosk(a kenyan shop)...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I guess eels are like cats.... they have nine lives or something. This time Sis jumped up and tried to kill the eel by sitting on it. This is just what we call "Sheer Curiosity"

Originally posted by Phantasma: quote: a somali whore's story... :rolleyes: Totally :rolleyes: Tough stories...Go on

http://www.freetashnuba.tk/ But mind you, BUSH's speech spitted the hatred against ISLAM..and that is why our muslim brothers and sisters have been harassed in and outside the USA. We have lot of work to do on that line. http://www.freetashnuba.tk/

one more request, I urge all Nomads to answer the questions that they know perfectly from ISLAM...please don't answer questions with your personal opinions in mind.. The prophet s.a.w used to say "Man kadaba calaya mutacamidan fal yatabawa'a..maqcadahuu minaan naar" meaning anyone who says anything that I didn't say with INTENT(intention)..let him prepare himself in hellfire. Anyone who can help let us assist our sister.

Do u guys really understand how America is against ISLAM.. First the fellow who took my issues head on must have listened to BUSH speech in Europe Last February..When he listens to that Speech and know the content is when he can Say if America is against ISLAM or not..Mind you we ain't talking about an average american. BUSH was talking about liberating WOMEN..by getting them their freedom...By liberating ISLAM...What kind of freedom? Getting naked? or liberating ISLAM by giving them visas to settle in USA like refugees and changing their brains and Women & children so that they start wearing jeans? Who gave him the mandate of Liberating ISLAM.. BUSH was actually saying WOMEN were harrased by MEN by putting on HIJAAB...and that he wants to give them freedom to go to clubs, Wear jeans and removing HIJAAB..disobey their families and so on..is that what ISLAM is all about? USA does fight ISLAM by propaganda..ISLAM gave WOMEN their rights from Prophet Mohammed's Time..WOMEN were being killed upon birth..When ISLAM came..that stopped. There was nothing like INHERITANCE for women in all other religion..When ISLAM came..Where men couldn't inherit Women properties and belongings, Women could still inherit what her man left behind..Read on 1.She is exempt from some religious duties, i.e., prayers and fasting, in her regular periods and at times of confinement. 2.She is exempt from all financial liabilities. 3.As a mother, she enjoys more recognition and higher honor in the sight of God (31:14-15;46:15). and more... What kind of FREEDOM does BUSH want to give to muslim women..or think ISLAM needs liberation? GETTING NAKED.....? This is one of the fight against ISLAM..When you read BUSH'S speech to EUROPE is when you talk in this forum.. BUSH was talking of freedom from MORROCO to AFGHANISTAN..where muslims inhabit..Why didn't he talk about INDIA TO JAPAN...as an exmaple if he doesn't have in mind...ISLAM... In other words he was typically saying..This muslims..(the ones who live from MOROCCO to AFGHANISTAN)are the guys we are fighting with spiritually/mentally/physically/ and through propaganda.. Let us see if he is going to be succesful in his war games against ISLAM.. am sure he is gonna be the loser..

Neither does Wearing a pair of jeans(like men) and Headscarf being HIJABED...(you have actually not changed anything)..Nor does putting those NINJA's really much of HIJAAB.. HIJAAB is making yourself a bit different from your opposite sex by the will of Allah.By making sure you are covered from worldly eyes and temptations.. Only ALLAH knows why we are MEN and WOMEN...and who goes ahead to say they are Same?

Jazakallah Kheiran....I was saddened by the incident about American terrorism..This is to show that USA has some grudge with ISLAM as a religion and that it has practically to finish ISLAM at all cost. That is why we need to have strict conviction in ISLAM.. ISLAM is not wearing jeans and HIJAAB..as some AMERICANS would like us to believe.By wearing jeans..You must have other Cover for your body.. The Holy Quraan says 061.008 YUSUFALI: Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). They will never be able to change a bit of ISLAM...

Originally posted by dawoco: muslim/Sellout like Lazie girl Rendezvous, you are the worst hypocrite I have ever seen, here you are suposedly defending the religion and at the same time you would call a sister in Islam a sell-out. What right have you to question her faith? You don't know her, nor do you know how committed she is to her creator, OUR creator who sees all, nor have you the right to decide who is a worthy muslim/muslimah, only Allah can do that. I am not part of this argument nor do i side with anyone here, laakinse i think you are in the wrong here, I hope you go back on what you said and apologise to the sister. It is a dangerous teritory,questioning certain aspects of the religion, i am ignorant of that and won't comment on the on-going discussion, laakinse it is definately wrong to question someone's faith when you only know them through a screen, me thinks. [/quote My Dawoco.. Pole sana..But facts remain..When Shit like that happen..Like abusing or questioning ISLAM...and mixing it With internal burst of ISLAM's hatred..i get irritated easily..and am soooooo sorry to say that... I was trying to compare putting HOLY QURAAAN..or HOLY PROPHET stories inside a nichols and a somali whore's story..together... and just got irritated..and once again.. am sorry for the SHIT....

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: This has nothing to do with Somali people as our prophet encouraged us to display our disapproval towards anything that our Religion frowns upon, if not through action through words. Did the prophet also say that women ought to be stoned to death because they had pre-marital sex, yet the man can stand there and watch while the woman is beat to death? I am ultilizing this holy recommendation and ain't nobody is going to stop me. For a second there, u seemed ready to attack with rocks and just utilize it the same way the afghan men utilized it by beating pple with rocks, as if the prophet himself would ever approve of such distasteful behaviour in the name of whaT? prophet? Illah kacabso and do yourself a favor, rest assured, no one will hear u, so go on ahead, and utilize whatever it is you think you can do with words. ---------------------------------------------- This Lazie girl or whatever just posts disgusting shit..She is among the ones distorting our Religion ISLAM..may be she is among the few Somalis who are sell-out..The US and other anti-muslims will always buy you with some Real Dollars..to cause confusion in ISLAM.. ------------------------------------------------- When they talk about WOMEN RIGHTS...about STONING ADULTERERS..about JIHAD..about AKHLAAQ(islamic behaviour)...or even FOUR WIVES..or marrying Young Women..marrying slaves..They will always have the sell outs talk for them..Why can't they ask the ones who know?Who are versed in the religion.. Now see what AYAAN HIRSI said about ISLAM...and the prophet..and the SHIT she is in..The other day she said...I haven't said THIS or THAT...she is saying SORRY..we are asking her..what made her talk for ISLAM..if you don't know anything about ISLAM..why talk about it...LAZIE is trying to ask ..What is the criteria of stoning an adulterer..Why can't she do research in ISLAM and ask the Ulamaa in religion..They will be better to get her answers.. ----------------------------------------------- And what does lazie Girl have to ASK or question ISLAM or even the PROPHET..about a brotherly Somali topic discussing about A somali Woman(maybe a muslim/Sellout like Lazie girl)..Who had no honour of being *****EAD... Which has nothing to do with this topic.. SHIT HAPPENS DID SHE SAY... For a second there, u seemed ready to attack with rocks and just utilize it the same way the afghan men utilized it by beating pple with rocks, as if the prophet himself would ever approve of such distasteful behaviour in the name of whaT? prophet?

On Hadrat Hussain dont remember the channel.... is this about SHIA...Spiritual Sufiism'..about Caliph Ali's Son...Hussain..

Especially when a NON-MUSLIM has seen the essence of Hijaab...That was Wonderful of her.. .. the lady later converted to ISLAM...imagine

Please help me spread the word to my sisters...

I posted the thread so that we find a solution to this ever expanding calamity affecting the Somali and Islamic communities.. When I posted the thread I had in mind this Moving story.. I used to work In a prestigious corporation with a somali lady married to a somali man who used to chew Qhaat(a narcotic like Stimulant).Alhamdulillah the lady had a good job,a man and two children. The lady was such a hardworking woman that while she was working on shift at the Computer Room at night, would come home and find the man not @home around 05.00 a.m in the morning.She would pray salat Subax(morning prayer) and sleep waiting for her man to arrive. The man had no job and the lady was providing the family.All was well and the lady used to urge him to find a job and put give his life a fresh start. since he was free most of the time, I think it would be prudent for the man to atleast help by spending time with the kids while the woman goes for her work.Day or night. During the nights when the lady is there..the MAN would go out for some Qaad outside with his freinds and would never appear near His house until the morning.He makes sure he arrives the next morning, By that time, the lady has left for work and the children gone for school.The lady approached us..the Somali workmates and explained the scenario. We talked to the guy on several occasion about this and he still used to say they were happily married and everything was ok. Now I felt sorry for the lady whose right was being tumbled upon.The guy was supposed to help his wife in all ways while carefully treading carefully with care on his role at home and outside.When she wanted him, the guy was nowhere to be seen...He wasn't resourceful either. Although the lady was a pious muslim and hardworking, They Parted and it was the man who really made me feel this issue of divorce was worth discussing.. The issue doesn't concern only our MEN but also our sisters..I think everyone of you read the websites I did post previously about how ISLAMIC families are supposed to live together. If all of us strictly adhere to the teachings of Islamic Faith..indeed The Holy Quraan and Holy Prophet S.A.W used to describe all muslims as 'INAAL MUUMIININA WAL MUUMINAATI' meaning 'all men believers and women believers'..I mean the prophet would talk to muslims as Believers..Not like ...O men and women..we can be able to reduce some of this issues of Divorce and Women Rights and so forth. Our Religion ISLAM is important to us.So better we follow it to the latter. I urge all our muslim brothers/sisters to continue with suggestions about how best we can be able to solve some of this issues..Like DIVORCE... NB.. The example above was just serious the subject of DIVORCE is..

Lander Girl...Do the share of also promoting brotherhood and sisterhood also..we are all one..A somali who comes from Djibouti can be married by a somali from Kenya... and you can do us best when you marry a very good somali brother/sister with real intentions in or outside Somalia...The important aspect is..the Niiya(Intentions).. But is the trend growing...?

My task will not be to elaborate what made DIVORCE rate high in somali communities living abroad but to ask all of you to help me discuss it... The following website and others below will really help us deal with some of the issues involved in this discussion..our Mali men must try their best so the sisters. http://www.jannah.org/sisters/wifehappy.html Somali Clan System and Marriage While arranged marriages are common and practised in Somalia, dating does not exist entirely.In the case of arranged marriages, brides are usually same or younger than the grooms. Marriage to a cousin from the mothers side of the family (of a different lineage) is traditionally favored to strengthen family alliance, but this practice is not as common as earlier. Somalis tend to trust only members of their own clan for marriage due to recent conflicts.Virginity is valued in women prior to marriage.In addition, divorce is legal in Somalia.most of the time, arranged marriage normally stabilizes the divorce rate but can't be ruled out to be a cause..the rate of divorce among Somali couples is incredibly high nowadays both in Somalia and Somalis living Abroad. The conflicts which arise are mainly due to the redefinition of traditional cultural roles between women and men and the stress of trying to cope in a foreign country. For example, women raise a family without the help of their husbands, yet it is the men who expect to be treated with respect and exert authority as heads of households as they once had in Somalia.Most mali expect to be obeyed without contributing very much to the well-being of the family. http://www.salaam.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=9&i=2483&t=2204 http://caafi.tripod.com/culture1.html In Somalia and Kenya, men did not help their wives with household chores and caring for their children because there are many relatives helping them instead. In places like UK, Canada and Australia, however, this kind of support from relatives does not exist, yet Somali men fail to understand that. The result is an extremely high divorce rate. Marital break-ups are also often the result of there being no mechanism in this countries similar to the one in Somalia of mediation in the event of marital conflicts. Conflicts which might lead to divorce are often solved in Somalia, therefore saving the marriage. Another factor is lack of knowledge of This countries law. For example, a Somali woman may call the police after getting angry with her husband, but doesn't neccesarily mean to have an intention to list him for charges. She may just want to teach him a lesson. She doesn't anticipate that the police would adopt harsh measures against her husband..and this is disastrous to her life in marriage. http://www.hennepin.us/vgn/portal/internet/hcdetailmaster/0,2300,1273_82134_100045624,00.html http://www.immigrantinfo.org/kin/somalia.htm My point of contention is that...Can we do something to solve this problems and try adjust to life and go back to ISLAM ..This divorce issue makes me SICK ...It's just pity for parties concerned. And Allah hates DIVORCE....

THE BET A little old lady went into the Bank of Canada one day, carrying a bag of money. She insisted that she must speak with the president of the bank to open a savings account because, "It's a lot of money!" After much hemming and hawing, the bank staff finally ushered her into the president's office (the customer is always right!). The bank president then asked her how much she would like to deposit. She replied,"$165,000!" and dumped the cash out of her bag onto his desk. The,president was of course curious as to how she came by all this cash, so he asked her, "Ma'am, I'm surprised you're carrying so much cash around. Where did you get this money?" The old lady replied, "I make bets." The president then asked, "Bets? What kind of bets?" The old woman said, "Well, for example, I'll bet you $25,000 that your balls are square." "Ha!" laughed the president, "That's a ****** bet. You can never win that kind of bet!" The old lady challenged, "So, would you like to take my bet?" "Sure," said the president, "I'll bet $25,000 that my balls are not square!" The little old lady then said, "Okay, but since there is a lot of money involved, may I bring my lawyer with me tomorrow at 10:00 am as a witness?" "Sure!" replied the confident president. That night, the president got very nervous about the bet and spent a long time in front of a mirror checking his balls, turning from side to side, again and again. He thoroughly checked them out until he was sure that there was absolutely no way his balls were square and that he would win the bet. The next morning, at precisely 10:00 am, the little old lady appeared with her lawyer at the president's office. She introduced the lawyer to the president and repeated the bet: "$25,000 says the president's balls are square!" The president agreed with the bet again and the old lady asked him to drop his pants so they could all see. The president complied. The little old lady peered closely at his balls and then asked if she could feel them. "Well, Okay," said the president, "$25,000 is a lot of money, so I guess you should be absolutely sure." Just then, he noticed that the lawyer was quietly banging his head against the wall. The president asked the old lady , "What the hell's the matter with your lawyer?" She replied, "Nothing, except I bet him $100,000 that at 10:00 am today, I'd have The Bank of Canada's president's balls in my hand."

Before leaving the house this morning, a man left this letter for his wife: Dear Wife: You must realize that you are 54 years old, and I have certain needs which you are no longer able to satisfy. I am otherwise happy with you as a wife, and I sincerely hope you will not be hurt or offended to earn that by the time you receive this letter, I will be at the Grand Hotel with my 18-year old secretary. I'll be home before midnight and will see you then Your Husband When the Husband arrived at the hotel, there was this faxed letter waiting for him: Dear Husband: You, too, are 54 years old and by the time you receive this letter, I will also be at the Grand Hotel --- with our 18-year old pool boy. Since you are an accountant, you will appreciate that 18 goes into 54 many more times than 54 goes into 18. Therefore, don't wait up. Your Wife

Eleven missions agencies are currently targeting this people group; however, there are still less than 3,000 known believers among them. Perhaps Christian teachers will be the key to reaching Somalia with the Gospel. Prayer Points Ask the Lord to raise up Christian teachers who will work among the Somali and share Christ's love with them. Pray that God will raise up prayer teams to go and break up the soil through worship and intercession. Ask God to grant favor and wisdom to the missions agencies that are targeting the Somali. Pray for effectiveness of the Jesus film among them. Ask God to anoint the Gospel as it goes forth via radio and television to the Somali. Pray that God will reveal Himself to them through dreams and visions. Ask the Holy Spirit to soften their hearts towards Christians so that they will be receptive to the Gospel. Ask the Lord to raise up strong local churches among the Somali by the year 2000. ------------------------------------------------ Now it is the turn of Somalis to be converted to christianity..Are you ready for This?

You all are welcome.. Get yourself together and Board a Nigerian airways flight.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is your captain (Boniface) welcoming you on board of Nigeria Airways. We apologize for the four-day delay in taking off, it was due to bad weather and some overtime I had to put in at the bakery. This is flight 126 to Lagos. Landing in Lagos is not guaranteed , but we will end up somewhere in the South. If luck is in our favour, we may even be landing on your village! Nigeria Airways has an excellent safety-record. In fact our safety standards are so high that even terrorists like osama are afraid to fly with us! It is with pleasure, I announce that starting this year over 50% of our passengers have reached their destination. If our engines are too noisy for you, on passenger request, we can arrange to turn them off! To make your free fall to earth pleasant and memorable, we serve complimentary Bongo tea and Okin biscuits! For our not-so-religious passengers, we are the only airline who can help you find out if there really is a God! We regret to inform you, that today's in-flight movie will not be shown as we forgot to record it from the television. But for our movie buffs, we will be flying right next to Air Barka, where their movie will be visible from the right side of the cabin window. There is no smoking allowed in this airplane. Any smoke you see in the cabin is only the early warning system on the engines telling us to slow down! In order to catch important landmarks, we try to fly as close as possible for the best view. If, however, we go a little too close, do let us know. Our enthusiastic co-pilot sometimes flies right through the landmark! Kindly be seated, keep your seat in an upright position for take-off and fasten your seat-belt. For those of you who can't find a seat-belt, kindly fasten your own belt to the arm of your seat ... and for those of you who can't find a seat, do not hesitate to get in touch with a stewardess who will explain how to fasten yourself to your suitcase." ]web page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU ARE WELCOME ON BOARD!"

>>><<<So Pacifist you thought we didn't propose mise you thought there are no Mali men available for this kind of stuff? Real mali men keep low profile always

Originally posted by dawoco: [QB]and who has been promoted 2 be manager of the local cash n carry? maybe that is a more atainable goal [/b] ......... Is this your ambition..Dawoco...? Check this.. Have you ever dreamt of a man aged 28/29 or even 30 working as a senior sales/marketing/operations or even logistics officer for a a big corporation or even The UN, MSF or even CNN... or you are accustomed to the managers of the local cash n carry..Why do u have to keep her low with low ambitions... Give Finesista...a break