^^^^^Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed. Women somehow deteriorate during the night. Do they?we are new to this.....

Originally posted by sweet_gal: I mean why would anyone want to beat themselves up or believe that the real quran is with a guy in some cave who disappeared ages ago!..... OG_girl .........I know this wants ur topic, but I am making mine this! Oh one more things are u the type that bash the companions of prophet muhammed (saw)?????? Some say they are Shias...who was the Boss...Prophet Mohamed or Ali when they were alive...?

Trespassers..and survivors will be shot

^^^^^^ QUOTATIONS....QUOTATIONS....AND PLAIN TRUTH Originally posted by Shams-ud-Din: OG Girl, “Wallaahu yahdee maa yashaaaa’â€..Meaning God Guides whomsoever he wants... whosoever denies “caqiidatul-rajac†is NOT a shiicaa!....It was Agreed... AQEEDATUL RAJAAC... The belief entails that: a) people will come back to life on earth before the Saacah b) there will be three groups; the shiicaa (who are the best in faith), ahlus-sunnah (who are the worst in kufr) and the 12 imaams and all prophets c) this will start when the Hadi (nick name for their mahdi, which I prefer to call him as he is not the real Mahdi) returns from his hiding place in all those centuries, the graves of the so called “sanamayn†are dug out and Abu Bakr and Cumar (rc) are taken out still wet and alive, and when the earth splits and Xusayn (rc) emerges from his grave d) Cali (rc) will be the leader of the shiicaa and all the prophets will fight in his army e) Abu Bakr and Cumar (rc) are the leaders of ahlus-sunnah and will ultimately be burned f) Xusayn (rc) will judge the people and will have authority over who goes to heaven or hell g) every shiicaa will be given the choice whether he wishes to participate in the event or remain in his grave h) the blood of ahlus-sunnah will be running from the swords of the shiicaa as they chop them through their limbs and in pieces i) this will take place between Saffa and Marwa WCWW OG GIRL are you satisfied with those answers by brother Shamsudeen..It is good when someone asks a question and gets the correct answers properly arranged..He/she should say ...Thanks.You haven't done so.. Instead of writing answers or follow up in arabic..which you are sure some few people understand or comprehend..and dwelling on irrelevant informations not concerning with your supposed answers..Kindly please accept facts or refuse them so that people can still get you more answers. This is what you wrote... أهل مكة أدري بشعابها Ùنحن أدري منكم بما نؤمن.الÙرق بيني وبينك أنا أعمل جاهدة لتÙرقة بما هو معتقدات سائدة عندنا وبين ماهوموثق بينماهمك الوحيد هو التهجم على الأخرين وتكÙيرهم بما ليس لك به علم and you wrote So I came across this touchy poem. وق٠الشاعر كمال بن عبد الرحيم رشيد يوماً على نهر التايمز الإنجليزي Ùقال إيه يا نهر الظلام نهر المظالم - سر كما شئت ÙÙŠ الوجود وخاصم أنت جرعت أمتي كأس ذل٠- أنت أسلمت شعبنا للهزائم رضع الحقد منك ( بلÙور ) حتى - كان عوناً لكل خصم٠وظالم كم ظلمت الشعوب ÙÙŠ كل أرض٠- كنت Ùيها بالقهر أكبر حاكم والبلاد السوداء كم جرت Ùيها - واتخذت الشعوب مثل البهائم ÙÙŠ Ùلسطين ما حرمنا أذاكم - وشربنا الزعا٠من كل غاشم٠كم تركتم ÙÙŠ أرضنا من ضحايا - وأقمتم ÙÙŠ ( دنشواي ) المآتم أرضكم ساحة الÙساد وأرضي - واحة الطهر والهدى والمكارم I think all that is irrelevant and not concerned with the questions you requested..and the answers you got.If you need 'TRUTH' and plain TRUTH...the answers are written...available quoted answers from Brother Shamsudeen.Did u accept them or refute them... and are u satisfied... Cajeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb

^^^^^^for all of SOL nomads... Why a virtual fight in the first place...?I think it would prudent for all of us to behave nicely and love each other...as brother and sisters in ISLAM. We are a community that needs Love now....

Are you still a jew?OG GIRL

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Originally posted by OG_Girl: to prove if I was Somali. quote: Originally posted by OG_Girl: I got a proof that my grandfather was born in Wajeer(NFD)but he's been told that his grandfather was from Qabridahare but his family left Wajeer at age of 8 to Aden Yemen, married from there then, his son who is my father was born .. Then moved to Egypt married from there... moved to Saudi Arabia early 50s then moved to Kuwait 1956... See I can trace my roots ... That is my prove. جدي عندما يداعب جدتي يقول لها أنتم أصلا لستم عرب بل قبائل من اليهوداليمن التى اسلمت وتزاوجت من القبائل الأخري .أعتقد هذا ÙŠÙسر هوسي الشديد بالتاريخ Ùأي أرض مر بها أسلاÙÙŠ مرور الكرام تراني أدعي بأنها الأرض الميعاد....لوووووول I don't know what that makes me Somali. ..............*******************.....................**************************** OG GIRL...do u have some relations with the JEWS OF YEMEN..as you tried to put it in arabic or am confused with that translation.Girl you havent shown some Somaliness but only tried to trace your roots to NFD KENYA.I know many SOL nomads ain't somalis at all but make threads look 'REAL'. I think we should be straight with the aim of the topic..about Shia and come up with a clear line between SUNNI and SHIA.it would be confusing to relate both as they are follwing different ways of ISLAM. Salam Go back to the TOPIC...

^^^^^Sports Illustrated: GAME OVER

^^^^^Interesting OG GIRL...we are not pressuring you to follow any type of a belief.What we are saying is that you are a mature individual(By the way what was your age)..and that you can make up your mind.Don't get into Mother and Dad stories..Just try to reach a 'Consensus' On the best method of reaching Allah Subhanahu Wataala.. ^^^^Give the lady all the moral she needs. Thank you all.

You have my Ribs cracking at OJ and NICOLE....it was just too funny...did the man find his wife atleast... at the supermarket..

Originally posted by OG_Girl: quote: Originally posted by Salafi: Og-girl, if you do not have a system to distinguish falshood from the truth, I agree we don't have a very good system but no one can deny that we got thousands of Sahih ahadeth. Thank you very much OG GIRL.. how can u be sure the Nabi(salalahu alayhi wa salam ) commanded you to follow Ahlul Bayt? There are Sahih ahadeths , when I say Sahih I mean sahih Al-tawater. And don't forget these ahadeths we share with Sunna. We know that the hadith "The Quran and the Sunnah" is actually weak, and "The Quran and the Ahlulbayt" is not only sahih but also mutawater. So this is a mutawater sahih hadith, and is recorded in sunna as well as shia books. However, Alhamdullilh that I'm a shia but I got many things to figure out before I do the "taqleed.For now I'm Shia in the fiqh and in the belief of Imams. However, I have many problems with many shia when it cames to beliefs and practise,that is not a secret.I guess in my aqaeed, I'm somewhere between Sunna and Shia. Salam NOTE OG GIRL is almost crossing the Bridge..She said she is just between SUNNI and SHIA and that is a very good sign..alhamdulillah.Sunni brothers/sisters please try help fill the Gap.

^^^they heard every fourth child born is chinese

Faith: Accepts: Merciful: Forgiving: Respect: Confidentiality: Caring: Kindness: Growths and Life Enhances: Selflessness:You have sabar with LOVE... Truthful: Love is honesty without cruelty and loyalty without compromise. Courtesy: Sound Vision -------------------- Who else knows If LOVE has any more word...than all that.I think LOVE Islamically is a 'duty'.. Love to All my muslim Brothers and sisterz..

^^^^Bases were loaded earlier..I wish to let you know the project went succefully and I promise to personally help compile a list of all singles and their matches @SOL soon... There are pretty good matches we are working on now and more will some soon insha-allah. The mission was an overall success with many with matches already.I am sure there are other nice matches made so far and I wish the congratulate HIBO for the much she dedicated to the 'PROJECT'. Somali singles..

Originally posted by Bambina: Salam Alaykum Hum... I should say Muslims are in indeed in trouble. Why would Nedjma's bestseller book come as a surprise? When attention is given to Muslims , controversy is always on the way , specially to those who seek it. I am frankly getting bored of the frustrated Muslims who revolve their personal issues around Islam.What this woman indeed needs is not celebrating the freedom of the female body but counselling. Since she claimed that her book is somewhat autobiographical ,I truly feel sorry for her because some Muslim men do repress women while, others are not. So, given the fact that nobody is perfect , was it really necessary to write a book about the generalization of the Muslim male oppressors? But, she's right on one thing though, male chauvinism is not the work of our God's teachings.Only God knows her heart , so be his guidance show her the right path. So let us all honour ISLAM by making our women the way ISLAM wants them to be...Surely there will a lot of QUEENS in the world... Utter pornography won't help at all.Why should it make a 'headline'...coz a muslim has written it.Who knows if she was a muslim or rather a 'beleiver' in the first place?

Originally posted by The Rendezvous: quote:Originally posted by Viking: Shamsudin, What issue am I "evading"? Where did I claim (or support the claim) that Allah SWT is in any way "deficient" and changes His mind ? Or where did you see me support such claims? Who has insulted Abu Bakr and Umar(RA) here? I don't like insulting anyone but surely, my words are nothing compared to the grave accusations and name-calling you are throwing my way. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate for you to first ask me whether I am Shi'a Ithna Cashari before you started throwing stones. Now please, get off your high horse mister, drop the holier than thou attitude and lets start afresh. What say ye? ********************************************** We already have VIKING who says he doesn't ascribe to ITHNA ASHARIS..SHIA or he doesn't accept the AQEEDAH ...according to details above..This was what we were waiting and discussing all along...I think Bro shamsudin and Nur, you are doing us a favour by bringing this SHIA PEOPLE on board to believe in the 'TRUTH'..before we start even a bigger research on them..Thank you all.Now we are remaining with OG GIRL and her family... Remaining this.. "From what I’ve set out above, if correct (I trust upon you to point out my mistakes, and I expect for those who ascribe to the above mentioned school of thought to ignore these points as usually), we can easily conclude that none of whosoever believes in the sanctity of the Holy Quráan, can claim to shiicaa “twelverâ€!" Bro Shamsudin, This SHIA belief is not 'another school of thought'..as you implying in your thread..This people are way against ISLAM... We believe in ...CILMU GAYB being ALLAH'S. I thought Brother Viking...we got you...are you still in SHIA group..and your reasons?

Originally posted by Zephyrine: I'm getting tired of the Shi'a bashing in this forum. Why don't u answer the questions or atleast accept the Aqeedah as part of SHIA DOCTRINE...Why are you putting it like we are asking the questions just aby the way...We need the nomad SHIAS to accept the SHIA AQEEDA or refuse.Nobody is forcing the other about this.We are only requesting them to enlighten others about their faith. and their relationship with ISLAM...indeed we need an answer from them...

We NOMADS OF AHLU SUNNA WAL JAMAACAH would love to outline the following points from SHIA books written by their respected shia scholars. Inshallah, we would like to know, from the shia on this thread, if this is the belief of the shia or not. a simple yes or no. if no, then inshallah SHIAS can tell us where if there is a problem with the authors of these books, bi-ithnillaah. NOTE: Readers discretion would matter so that we can differentiate if SHIA belief is ISLAM. Highlights of the Beliefs ( Aqaa'ed) of Shia Ithna Asheriyah. 1. The Imam is the Lord who dwells on earth. ACCORDING TO SHIA BOOKS... It was reported that Ali RAA said " I am the Rabb ( Lord) who dwells on earth " source; Mir'aatul Anwaar wa mishkaatul Asraar, page 59. The Shia Sheikh Al Ayaashi interpreting the verse " Wa laa yushriku fii xukmihi axadaa" " He does not share his authority (judgement) with anyone" Ayaashi says, it means that no one should share the Caliphate with Ali. 2. Fatima and Ali Reason Of Creation : A contemporary Shia Scholar in Sheikh Hussein Feheid Al Ahsaa'ey, says " Ali RAA is the face of Allah SWT" he also says Allah said " O Mohammad, if it was not for you, I would not have created the universe, and if it was not for Ali I would not have created you, and if it was not for Fatima, I would not have created both of you" 3. Affairs of Present Life on Earth and the Hereafter are in the hands of the Imaam . Source Al Kuleiny, Section, that Earth belongs to the Imaam, page 407 -410 4. Natural phenomena like Thunder and lightening belongs to the Imaams . It was reported that Samacah Min Mehran that he said that " I was Abi Abdallah, then the sky thundered,, thenAbi Abdallah said, it is Ali ordering it " Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 33 5. Extraordinary powers of Ali RAA : It was reported that Ali RAA used to Rideclouds. A concept all Shia sects share, Biharul Anwar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 34. Also Ali is reported saying " I am the eye of Allah on earth, I am the Light of Allah that is never exitinguished, I am the proof of Allah against servants" 6. The Imaam holds the keys to the Unknown ( Al Ghaib) Source Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Voulme 1 page 258, Section titled " The Imaams know when they die, and they never die without their consent" 7. Imaams know what was and would happen in the future and nothing is hidden from them Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Volume 1 page 260 8. It was reported (Falsly) that Al Saadiq said " Wallahi we (imams) are given the knowledge of the ancients and the future generations, he was asked " Do you have access to the unknown? the imaam responded " we know what everyman and woman will beget as decendants" Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 26 page 27 - 28 9. Allah reveals revelations after the death of prophet Muhammad on the Imaams via angel Gabriel . The Imam Muhammad Al Saffar ( Died 290 AH) says " An angel even greater and more knowledgeable than gabriel comes down with revelations to the Imaams" also see source Asxaabul Imaam Al Macsuum, page 111 10. ALI Talks To Allah : Al Saffar also reported in the Basaa'er Al darajaat Al Kubraa in ten volume proofs of the continuity of revelations on Shia Imaams, Ali Talked to Allah SWT. That he saw Gabriel, Ten stories volume 8, section 16 page 430. 11. Al Saffar also reports : It was reported that Humran ibn Acyun reported from Abu Abdullah Aleyhi Salaam, " I said, O Imaam, I heard that Ali Talked to Allah Aleyhi Salaam " The imaam said " Yes indeed, they talked in Taif Gabriel came down in their middle" Source Basa'r Al Darajaat, Section 8-16, page 430, Printed in Iran 12. Al Saffar also reports in 13 reports that the Holy spirit ( Ruuxul Qudus) comes down on the imaams, the imaam said " We are increased knowledge at night, because if we did not have revealations, our knowledge would run out" source Basaa'er ul Darajaat, Section 7, volume, 15. page 252 13. Angel Gabriel, JIBREEL, is with Imaams always : Kuleiny explaing a verse " And thus do we reveal to you a spirit form on authority" Kuleiny said the Imaam said " since Gabriel came down, he never left, he is with us imaams" Source Kuleiny Al Kaafi, Volume 1 page 173 13. Angels come down on earth on the night of power to tell the Imaams about the Qader and all that would happen the following year. Sources Al Kafi , Kuleiny Volume 1 page 261 and Al Fusuul al Muhimmah fii usuul al a'immah, Volume 94 page 145. 14. Divine Light penetrated Ali. Source Al Kafi by Kuleiny Volume 1 page 440 15. The Imams are shown our deeds avery day and night Source Al Kafi, Kuleiny Volume 1 page 219 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOW ANSWER THE FOLLWING QUESTIONS.... 1. Where were Shias when Prophet Mohamed(s.a.w)was there..Alive and kicking..I think he would categorically have answered some of their questions... 2.Are Shia Imaams more 'holier' that our prophet(s.a.w)..Why would they stay away from This world Like in 'Mahdis'..for so long that even our Prophet Mohamed couldn't? 3.Why are they refuting the Holy quraan..I think they didn't refute the Holy Quraan when The Holy prophet was there...Why now...? 4.Why has Shia..never spread more than IRAN and some parts of India..Sunnis have spread more than them by far..It has bypassed Indonesia..Malaysia and Philipines..Does this show the spread of Truth over false...?I am sure 'TRUTH' spread by far.. 5.What kind of books do they ascribe to if they don't accept The Holy Quraan..?Do they have a different Quraan...?why didn't they say so when The prophet Mohamed was there... 6.Why do they classify the Sahabas as..Good and adversaries..when Sahabas were one united group during prophet's time...?Why now? 7.Even if they are given the authority to Lead ISLAM...as they say they would have liked...would they still change the Holy Quraan and Hadeeth...I think they would have left it compact and same...And what about the prayers..why do they pray differently...?Why didn't they pray like so...when The prophet was there... 8.Why did the birth place of the Holy Prophet never had many Shias..I mean(MAKKAH)..It was infact supposed to be the 'Centre' of Shia if I am not wrong...Why IRAN...now?If they claim anything to the Ahlul..bait.. 10.^^^^^My question above...did this have a relation with Christianity/Judaism which started in Jerusalem...and now controlled from The Vatican...(ROMAN EMPIRE)..Christians have no option but to accept orders from The Vatican..did we refuse orders from IRAN(PERSIAN EMPIRE) and continued with the Truth...? 11.was there some kind of political parties after The prophet's death...Which party was Shia..Did they lose the Elections... 12.Now what problems do they have with Sunnis..Why do they hate Sunnis..What brought about this disunity in ISLAM.... 13.Could this be a plan to 'finish' ISLAM which didn't work fine...? 14.Why are they coming back to the fold of ISLAM now after 1200 Years later...?if they didn't prove themselves wrong.. ...No wonder we are seeing an 'Influx of Shia follower'...coming back to the main Branch of Islam(SUNNI)... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If indeed Shias ACCEPT the above AQEEDAH...as we posted above...I think it is more inclined to CHRISTIANITY than ISLAM... REMINDER: A simple Yes/No to the AQEEDAH by the SHIA will do us great favour in separating ISLAM/HOLY QURAAN/HADEETH AND PROPEHCY with our fellow SHIAS... Thanks all,

Soma walahi you did your BEST on this.Insha-allah God will reward you to put issues like that directly the way it affects muslims and ISLAM...Every muslims is a cover of ISLAM..If you do something improper, then it is related to ISLAM and people will always say ISLAM is like this or that.. We muslims must come back to ISLAM..you can't call for a JIHAD...OR TERROR as they call it in Non muslim countries..without first tackling your own self..It is called JIHAD UN NAFSI..personal jihad.. Work hard muslims..

Originally posted by Viking: Shamsudin, What issue am I "evading"? Where did I claim (or support the claim) that Allah SWT is in any way "deficient" and changes His mind ? Or where did you see me support such claims? Who has insulted Abu Bakr and Umar(RA) here? I don't like insulting anyone but surely, my words are nothing compared to the grave accusations and name-calling you are throwing my way. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate for you to first ask me whether I am Shi'a Ithna Cashari before you started throwing stones. Now please, get off your high horse mister, drop the holier than thou attitude and lets start afresh. What say ye? ********************************************** We already have VIKING who says he doesn't ascribe to ITHNA ASHARIS..SHIA or he doesn't accept the AQEEDAH ...according to details above..This was what we were waiting and discussing all along...I think Bro shamsudin and Nur, you are doing us a favour by bringing this SHIA PEOPLE on board to believe in the 'TRUTH'..before we start even a bigger research on them..Thank you all.Now we are remaining with OG GIRL and her family... Remaining this.. "From what I’ve set out above, if correct (I trust upon you to point out my mistakes, and I expect for those who ascribe to the above mentioned school of thought to ignore these points as usually), we can easily conclude that none of whosoever believes in the sanctity of the Holy Quráan, can claim to shiicaa “twelverâ€!" Bro Shamsudin, This SHIA belief is not 'another school of thought'..as you implying in your thread..This people are way against ISLAM... We believe in ...CILMU GAYB being ALLAH'S.

NOTE: The following abbreviation will be use dto stimulate you... Jang'o meaning a tribe known as JALUO kao(Pronounced COW) is also another tribe called Kalenjin Kiuk(Gikuyu) is also a tribe and Luhya. Start Four Kenyans were on death row for a very serious felony offence. They were given four types of the death penalty options to choose from: 1.Electric chair 2.Firing squad 3.Hanging 4.HIV Injection. On the fateful day, the 4 Kenyans were taken straight to the Executioner to get killed. The Jang'o man chose the electric chair; and boom he was gone!The Kao man chose the firing squad; A shot was fired, and boom he was gone. The Kiuk man was lifted onto the noose by the Executioner and boom! he was gone! The Luhya man walked confidently to the Executioner and selected the HIV Injection option.They inject a bottle of the deadly virus into his veins and off he goes! He walks confidently to his cell and tells his cellmates, pointing at the Executioner: "Abandu abajinga, shivamanyire khufwala ikondom!" (****** people, they do not know that I am wearing condom). _________________________________________________

^^^I am saddened that some fellas are taking people here for a ride..Please answer the questions or just simply say we don't know if this is our Aqeedah or not.How can someone not know about his Aqeedah.Someone posted the SHIA aqeedah..and we asked If you agree if this is your Aqeedah..and nobody 'dared' say YES this is my Aqeedah..You are only waiting for re-inforcement from Mutakalim. I think even Mutakalim will dwell on simple issues like fatwas and by pass the Aqeedah.He may as well concentrate on convincing us to follow the religion of a 'small imaam' who has supernatural powers like the 'JESUS'.The IMAAM has a similarity with JESUS in that he is 'GONE' and has never been seen again..Let us all please arrange to make things easier for day dreamers like me and OG GIRL...she says she and her family(Mum)..were just Shias for some few years..I wonder what their other families believe in. Thank you..We will be exemplary when we call EVERYTHING ..by it's name. SHIA wants to pretend to be the Fifth Madhab.Please assume them to be far away from the FOUR RECOGNIZED MADHABS.

Originally posted by Nur: Dear OG Girl According to the Shia ithna asheria Madhab, which you said you belong to,the last of the 12 Imaams, Muhammad Ibn Hassan Al Askari . is said to have disappeared at age 4, he is said to have fell in a ditch ( sirdaab ) which to this date is visited by Shia in a mosque in IRAQ, it is a holy place and thus a MAZAR where the faithfuls prayers are answered by the missing Imaam, the little boy Imaam, was not seen after that, but two scholars began acting as the agents who transmit orders frome the absent boy Imaam for the next 65 years, the majority of the Shia hadeeths to this date are those transmitted thorugh the nissing boy imaam in whi acidentally fell in the ditch ( Sirdaab) . After 65 years, a final letter came in through onw of the scholars which read that the missing imaam had gone into the longer absence, and they should not believe in any more tranmissions from anyone ( More likely, the two scholars got older, and they did not want anyone else to play the role again ) He is expected to return as the Mahdi who will uphold justice on earth. Here is a summary of the Shia aqeedah, the sources are in my thread, all from Shia books: Highlights of the Beliefs ( Aqaa'ed) of Shia Ithna Asheriyah. 1. The Imam is the Lord who dwells on earth. It was reported that Ali RAA said " I am the Rabb ( Lord) who dwells on earth " source; Mir'aatul Anwaar wa mishkaatul Asraar, page 59 The Shia Sheikh Al Ayaashi interpreting the verse " Wa laa yushriku fii xukmihi axadaa" " He does not share his authority (judgement) with anyone" Ayaashi says, it means that no one should share the Caliphate with Ali. 2. Fatima and Ali Reason Of Creation : A contemporary Shia Scholar in Sheikh Hussein Feheid Al Ahsaa'ey, says " Ali RAA is the face of Allah SWT" he also says Allah said " O Mohammad, if it was not for you, I would not have created the universe, and if it was not for Ali I would not have created you, and if it was not for Fatima, I would not have created both of you" 3. Affairs of Present Life on Earth and the Hereafter are in the hands of the Imaam . Source Al Kuleiny, Section, that Earth belongs to the Imaam, page 407 -410 4. Natural phenomena like Thunder and lightening belongs to the Imaams . It was reported that Samacah Min Mehran that he said that " I was Abi Abdallah, then the sky thundered,, thenAbi Abdallah said, it is Ali ordering it " Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 33 5. Extraordinary powers of Ali RAA : It was reported that Ali RAA used to Rideclouds. A concept all Shia sects share, Biharul Anwar, Majlisi Volume 27 page 34. Also Ali is reported saying " I am the eye of Allah on earth, I am the Light of Allkah that is never exitinguished, I am the proof of Allah against servants" 6. The Imaam holds the keys to the Unknown ( Al Ghaib) Source Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Voulme 1 page 258, Section titled " The Imaams know when they die, and they never die without their consent" 7. Imaams know what was and would happen in the future and nothing is hidden from them Al Kaafi, Kuleiny, Volume 1 page 260 8. It was reported (Falsly) that Al Saadiq said " Wallahi we (imams) are given the knowledge of the ancients and the future generations, he was asked " Do you have access to the unknown? the imaam responded " we know what everyman and woman will beget as decendants" Source Bihar ul Anwaar, Majlisi Volume 26 page 27 - 28 9. Allah reveals revelations after the death of prophet Muhammad on the Imaams via angel Gabriel . The Imam Muhammad Al Saffar ( Died 290 AH) says " An angel even greater and more knowledgeable than gabriel comes down with revelations to the Imaams" also see source Asxaabul Imaam Al Macsuum, page 111 10. ALI Talks To Allah : Al Saffar also reported in the Basaa'er Al darajaat Al Kubraa in ten volume proofs of the continuity of revelations on Shia Imaams, Ali Talked to Allah SWT. That he saw Gabriel, Ten stories volume 8, section 16 page 430. 11. Al Saffar also reports : It was reported that Humran ibn Acyun reported from Abu Abdullah Aleyhi Salaam, " I said, O Imaam, I heard that Ali Talked to Allah Aleyhi Salaam " The imaam said " Yes indeed, they talked in Taif Gabriel came down in their middle" Source Basa'r Al Darajaat, Section 8-16, page 430, Printed in Iran 12. Al Saffar alos reports in 13 reports that the Holy spirit ( Ruuxul Qudus) comes down on the imaams, the imaam said " We are increased knowledge at night, because if we did not have revealtions, our knwledge would run out" source Basaa'er ul Darajaat, Section 7, volume, 15. page 252 13. Angel Gabriel, JIBREEL, is with Imaams always : Kuleiny explaing a verse " And thus do we reveal to you a spirit form on authority" Kuleiny said the Imaam said " since Gabriel came down, he never left, he is with us imaams" Source Kuleiny Al Kaafi, Volume 1 page 173 13. Angels come down on earth on the night of power to tell the Imaams about the Qader and all that would happen the following year. Sources Al Kafi , Kuleiny Volume 1 page 261 and Al Fusuul al Muhimmah fii usuul al a'immah, Volume 94 page 145. 14. Divine Light penetrated Ali. Source Al Kafi by Kuleiny Volume 1 page 440 15. The Imams are shown our deeds avery day and night Source Al Kafi, Kuleiny Volume 1 page 219 Most of the above beliefs were developed during the shorter absence of the Mahdi, Muhammad Ibn Hassan Al Askari, who we have mentioned briefly before although many fundemental changes that represent a departure from the original beliefs of Muslims were attributed to him through his handlers who claim that they had an access to this disappearing Imaam for an enduring 65 years. Let us look at the belief of the Shia about this imaam. Nur DO U SHIA GUYZ AGREE AND ASCRIBE TO THIS AQEEDAH MENTIONED ABOVE.......OR NOT... I THINK YES/NO WILL DO US BETTER.....

^^^^^Viking... Please brother Nur....start a new topic..to be discussed where you are asking a question and recieving an answer..we don't know so much about Shiasim...You know their ..aqeedahs..and all their books authors..all their lineages..and other details..we will be spectators and know how best those claiming to be SHIA...are replying to those claims. I think that will help us reduce the frictions we have here..This people are going overboard..inserting unneccesary subtopics when you are concentrating on something...important. Post a short history of the SHIAS...elaborating all neccesary details concerning the way they treat themselves MUSLIMS....Why they call themselves muslims and all the differences between SUNNIS and SHIAS...I think that will help all laymen and women @sol, OG and myself included..to know the truth.instead of going to tracks which are hard and convincing to them..they will resort to small cheap arguments..and that is what we are trying to avoid.