Originally posted by ibtisam: yes i am liberated A must read for LIBERATED WOMEN While everyone has the right to be "liberated"..I don't know from what..But it happens that a liberated woman Is taught to hate her own body. The form of her eyelashes and brows, the style of her walking and speech, the color of her lips, nails and cheek are all given an artificial look. She also hates the natural trend of her hair. In societies like western world, "hair fashion designers" and cosmetic manufacturers make big money. A woman is expected to balance herself on a half a centimeter heel of shoes. This creates an abnormality called Lordosis in medical terminology. Males make big money, displaying female nakedness through their respectible trades like cabarets, strip bars, fashion shows, and especially commercial advertising (Do I want the Mustang or the sexy blonde in the advertisement?), nude paintings, magazines and now Internet web pages. Modern urban culture does not only show the above but it also shows: Alarming statistics with manifold percentage increase, compared to past decades, of single parents, children with no fathers, broken families, sex crimes, divorce, suicide and drug use among teens, asylums for unclaimed children, homes for unwanted parents, clinics for delinquent youth and neurotic adults. Recent estimates suggest that up to 80% of US society displays some form of psychological symptoms, and that up to 22% have psychological problems serious enough to interfere with their day to day living which are diagnosable (Chicago Tribune 12/1999). Data in the United States also shows that 25 to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused, usually by men well known to them (Kilbourne 1999:253). A high percentage of women so assaulted suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (the same disorder that a large number of Vietnam veterans suffer from) which leads to addiction and substance abuse and eventually to poverty and homelessness. Thus women in America live in a "war zone" in their own homes. If they survive childhood, their boyfriends or husbands eventually get them! In such societies "liberation" of women has been reduced to a slogan to sell products. Such sellers of "liberation", mostly men, offer women "liberation" via smoking, alcohol, food and their natural longing for stable relationships [which have dwindled in such a society]. This commercial "liberation" comes at a great cost to women and serves to isolate them through addiction. As addicts make great consumers, the sellers of such "liberation" want to keep it that way (Kilbourne 1999). Some think they are liberated.. Check this.. Originally posted by ibtisam: yes i am liberated are you one of them???????

I thought Somalis were Muslims and better they go back and separate between Their Culture and ISLAM..Throwing the tenets and objectives of ISLAM as a religion aside caused a lot of social upheavals and suffering for Somalis.People kill innocent muslims,maim everyone children, people are enemies of each other and so on and so forth. ONE ADVICE: Practice ISLAM and see some changez.. ISLAM is about CADAALA(justice and Equality),Brotherhood..It is said that a muslim is a brother of another muslim..I don't need to say more..I think everyone of you know where the real problems are. There is something wrong to the entire Somali community(Djibouti to Tanzania)..

Jazakallah Brother/sister I will support our prophet Mohamed Saw until my last day in this world.May Allah grant him bounties in Jannah. I will also support him through teaching my children, grand children and relatives about our prophet and deen so that they continue to follow the DEEN and be steadfast muslims even after me insha-allah.. Muslims need to change and be STRONG...

^^^Those who quote HOLY Qur’an verses with the objective of criticizing it and Islam do not need to be abused but RATHER to be challenged to substantiate their claims.Some interpret QURANIC verses according to their whims and fancy. These people have no objectivity but malice and prejudice. CHECK THE FOLLOWING INTERPRETATIONS AND THEIR MOTIVES AGAINST ISLAM.. 1. When the Holy QURAAN writes about SELF DEFENSE OR AGAINST WAR like in the following verses: “Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors.†Al-Qur’an 2:190 “And those who, when great wrong is done to them, defend themselves.†Al-Qur’an 42:39 They say ISLAM promotes TERRORISM 2.When the Holy QURAAN writes about HIJAAB, keeping modesty and protecting women from filth like in the following verse: 24:31 "“And say(O Mohamed) to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women.." They say ISLAM covers women 3. When The prophet Mohamed (saw) says in his HADEETH(traditions of the prophet) about HOW WOMEN ARE VALUED IN ISLAM and are treated nicely like: ""The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife" The prophet talking to his daughters: "‘O my daughter, you are about to leave the home in which you grew up, where you first learned to walk, to go to a place you do not know, to a companion to whom you are unfamiliar. By marrying you, he has become a master over you, so be like a servant to him, and he will become like a servant to you". and also: "‘O my daughter, if a woman were able to do without a husband by virtue of her father’s wealth and her need for her father, then you of all people would be most able to do without a husband, but women were created for men just as men were created for them" They still say WOMEN have no rights, are harrased So on and so forth.. So when a MUSLIM GAY says something...we will still find it in THE HOLY QURAAN AND HADITH. Don't worry..

Originally posted by Caano Geel: Rendez-vous on this point least willing to express - though i fear he may not be the one throw a stone when the adulterer is brought in. Sure Caano..What I think is supposed to be done is: Let anyone in this world come with a certain problem with his/her life or even continue with ANTI-ISLAM propagandas here and there.ISLAM gets stronger by talks on TERRORISM, WOMEN...like Women are "Hijabified"..women are harrassed or have no right..and so on.Now after a lot of hullabaloo...They realized ISLAM is the best religion as far as women are concerned.They kept quite..Now they are talking about TERRORISM AND even "A MUSLIM GAY " has the guts to add a bit to our ways of life. For sure, The last solution will be to go back to what the Holy Quraan and Sunnah say.. In this 21st century as some like to call..the things mentioned in the HOLY QURAAN are still the same same things there now.Except for modifications..Clubs were belly dancing troupes of Carabta.. "drinks"..Khamrada are now properly manufactured..with nice labels..women are encouraged to be skinny and strip..for VALUE...Thiefs are on loose..no cutting of hands..prostitutes are on swing..GAYS were even there thousand of years before Prophet Mohamed saw..(During Prophet Lots)..so on and so forth. Alhamdulillah we have to come with a solution from the quraan and Hadeeth.When the prophet was delivering the last sermon before he died, he encouraged us: NEVER LEAVE THIS TWO THINGS: THE HOLY QURAAN AND SUNNAH Meaning that should there be any confusion within ISLAM..we should infact go back to the books. Labelling this "ka lord" a .."MUSLIM GAY PEER".. First a gay can never be a muslim coz he is already committing unlawful things in life while knowing it is against ISLAM.This GAY surely never prays..IN ISLAM we are told...The difference between US(muslims) and THEM(non-muslims) is SALAH(prayers)..anyone who leaves prayer is a non-muslim..So there is no way they can call him "A MUSLIM GAY PEER" unless the newsmedia wants to associate ISLAM with gays.. So do u wanna tell me this so-labelled "MUSLIM GAY PEER" is still a muslim...?When you answer that, I will be happy to go on.. Brother NUR may be able to help us on this issue. Wallahu aclam.

Originally posted by The Flipmode..: Here is a nice poem for our Beautiful Somali women and the response the author got for the poem.. Mac Somali-woman you're more beautiful that a satiny pink rose, More beautiful than a starlit sky, More beautiful than a magenta sunset, More beautiful than the early morning rays of the sun, Than the hunting romantic song. The sound of your voice soothes the soul The touch of your hand cures illness, I would stare in your dark eyes, enthralled by that you are... By a beauty that's incomparable. There's no one like you my somali-queen and you are my one and only somali-queen This was dedicated to my somali-queens..May Allah bless them all for the represent the beauty that is somali. The poem really touched on Xaliimos who replied with an outstanding level of excitement...Here we sampled maybe the best of those replies..What is your opinion..? Anonymous Wow,thanx. U truly do describe the essence of a somali woman som sister yo' thanks ... it's really nice of you to say that!! Somalilady replied: TRUE!! THAT WAS SO NICE OF YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT THANKS AND WE MEAN FOR REALLY! MAD ALLAH BLESS U BRO. BYE AND TAKE FOR NOW PS:And we need more Somalis boys like U bro.ds reallady2000 can i marry you....lol.. thanks for sweet lovely poem and it is about time some bros gave us some respect....... peace Anonymous2 Somlady MAD allah bless U lol ur the man.keep it up bro love ya Anonymous3 thanx bro ur so nice....... r u married yet? have a girl-friend? if not am interested bye SAGAL S.BRO THAT WAS SWEET BRO. BRAVO!!! Maha wow...i am shocked...bro may allah bless u and if all somali men were like u ... NO somali girl would've dated out side her race... That was amazin!!!! Suleqa Mansha Allah, where do they get you from bro.. This is a sign of a well bred somali man - just wish there was more of you arround.. Unfortunately, most of the somali guys now seem to have an issue with us girls- what it is i don't understand ... but i am dying to know. any offers ? However, lets not forget the few good men and sisters Stand BY your men- coz at the end of the day we somaalis are gonna end up with each other. Peace, Love and happiness Anonymous4 Thanx very much, i never realised somali guy can be so sweet and i'm glad you proved me wrong. Love you my somalian sweety. P.S thanks again from all the somali girls out there i know they liked it coz i'm a somali girl and more proud now because of you're poem. Anonymous5 I LOVE YOU 2 lol@this aghahahahaha niggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bullshit u know its other wise bulllllllshit ahahahhaa XAAWO TAAKO ....hope your poem is reflecting your reality.....THAT WAS FANTASTIC STATEMENT FROM U Hope most of somaliis r like u big bro No one admited our possition before u too lee jeceel kugu waasho oo ku khanciso ilaah hakuu kaso....looooooool bro SOMALIIS GIRL ~somalia girl~ ...oh honey,,, kalay mac aan ku siiyee Nimco I think i have fallen in love.....with you That was the most beautiful poem i have heard in a long time and the only one describing Somali women....May Allah Bless You and i'm jealous in your future wife....cuz she would be very lucky to have you as her man.. Wish you the best Peace Nimco Anonymous6 dearest u r one in million bro and i meant but why don't give us u email thnx again and i wish my allah look after u in this year bro. love u lots xxxxxxxx Anonymous7 dearest u r one in million bro and i meant but why don't give us u email thnx again and i wish my allah look after u in this year bro. love u lots xxxxxxxx Qalanjo sxb qaraar aa ku hayo haye! maseer jooji sxb loooooooool, Queen pin Hi that was the nice thing that any men has ever write now why can't somailan men be more like you and no girl would date other men that is'nt somalia but you same to be the only men i just hope there is more of you to go around and if you don't have a girl friend then E-mail me on ...i hope I'll here from you don't get me worrg I have got a boy friend but if you are nice then him then I have to think twic that any ways i hope you like me letter one day we just might meet bye from Queen pin I think it is time we start praising our Xaliimos..They have suffered much. is there something wrong with praising Somali women and treating them "JUST FINE"..

However there was some scepticism from the Muslims in the audience. A young hijab-wearing student lambasted Alli for misreading the Quran and argued that Islam guaranteed rights for women. While I don't normally talk to gays/lesbians and others, all issues that must be addressed MUST follow the quraan and sunnah.This fellow thinks there were no GAYS before ISLAM... Does he know about Prophet Lot's era. Everything is in the Quraan and Hadeeth..There is nothing like 21st Century or 7th century..Drinking/sex/science/parenthood/brother/sisterhood/neighbours/women/men/rights/books etc So we MUST three times before coming with outburst that will bring you problems in this world and hereafter.

^^ a nice quote So is it 'safe' to conclude that since you're approaching Zero, that your Comment has a High Probability of being or approaching ZERO. Zero wants us to believe Saudi Culture Is ISLAM... 0=0 walahi Religious brouhaha kulaha...

Originally posted by makalajabti: I am wondering if Saudi Women feel like they need to be liberated from all the restrictions upon them? They are not even allowed to express their opinion! I think the notion you have is trying to relate Cultural aspects In Saudi Arabia to the reality of liberation.Although that culture of covering those nice women from head to toe must end..with exception of only ISLAMIC rules and regulations, to relate that to ISLAM is ridiculous if not ****** .ISLAM doesn't in any way say all the women should be covered like the way they are doing in Saudi Arabia..There is some exception to preserve moral and ethics in the society.I think that has to do with their culture.But because It is where ISLAM was first practised, they think it is ISLAM which is saying...Cover from head to toe.. or otherwise, makalajabti what do u meant!! Did u hear about other tortures in India, china and every other part of the world.But this are all just Cultures..

Originally posted by makalajabti: Ways to liberate women: -Empower them politically (let them run the country), in work place (let them apply for high-paid jobs/ executive) -More rights: the right to choose their husbands or divorce them without the husband's permission, right to not wearing the Hijab. - Education: encouraging girls to study and go to Uni. - A Break with the negative sides of tradition of patriarchal society eg: sexism! That is what I think about how to empower women! Any question? Yes Sister in ISLAM.....you are liberated now..do as you wish

Originally posted by The Rendezvous...: [quote Originally posted by Dhubad: [qb] Originally posted by Blessed: [qb] Oi! pssst, pssst. Look what I've found (actually it found me) You've annoyed some Christians ??????????Why are they annoyed? I wonder

HII NI KALI MAZEE!!!!!!!!!!! Four Kenyans were on death row for a very serious felony offence. They were given four types of the death penalty options to choose from: 1.Electric chair 2.Firing squad 3.Hanging 4.HIV Injection. On the fateful day, the 4 Kenyans were taken straight to the Executioner to get killed. The Jaluo man chose the electric chair; and boom he was gone! The Kao(kalenjin) man chose the firing squad; A shot was fired, and boom he was gone. The Kiuk man was lifted onto the noose by the Executioner and boom! he was gone! The Luhya man walked confidently to the Executioner and selected the HIV Injection option.They inject a bottle of the deadly virus into his veins and off he goes! He walks confidently to his cell(body)and tells his cellmates, pointing at the Executioner: "Abandu abajinga,shivamanyire khufwala ikondom!" (****** people, they do not know that I am wearing condom).

WHO IS SAYING ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD 1.The CIA World’s Facts Book 2.BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/ 3.THE TIMES Tuesday, 9th November 1993 ’Why Are British Women Turning To Islam’ by Lucy Berrington 4. USA TODAY, 5. ABC NEWS.com 6.The Junior Encyclopedia of Canada. Hurting Publishers. 1990. Vol 2 . p396 7.Dan Rathers, CBS NEWS 8.â€There are more Muslims in North America than Jews now.†NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4 9.MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES 10.THE TIMES Tuesday, 9th November 1993 Islam: Misunderstood Throughout The World By: James A. Bill (professor of government and director of the Reves Center for International Studies at the College of William and Mary in Virginia) 10.HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3 11.NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1 12.CNN, December 15, 1995 13.CONVERSIONS IN BRITAIN Sunday Times (London, U.K.) Rajeev Syal and Christopher Morgan 14.ABC News Broadcasted on BIC News 13 December 1997 Fastest-Growing Religion Often Misunderstood By Barr Seitz 15. President Clinton, White House Eid ul-Fitr presentation, Jan. 10, 2000. 16. Times of India Thursday 12 July 2001 WASHINGTON: 17.Ohio News, Ohio.com Monday, November 27, 2000 Influx of Muslim immigrants, refugees attracting Americans to Islam BY JASON KEYSER .Associated Press Writer 18.World Almanac and Book of facts 1935 and Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983. 19. Seattle Times ’Muslim in America’: by Marc Ramirez staff reporter Originally posted by Dhubad: quote:Originally posted by Blessed: Oi! pssst, pssst. Look what I've found (actually it found me) You've annoyed some Christians Islam will come back and rule the world again insahllah however long it takes. I wish I should see that day….!

Iran: Then shut the Wack up up, already. Nobody believes you anyway. You were screaming that Iraq had nuclear weapons. You invaded, murdered thousands of innocent people, made a total mess of the country, and didn't find a single WMD. Now you are saying the same things about Iran, and without a single shred of proof, I might add! Very true

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Hamza speech described 'six enemies' of Muslims 1. Tyrants and apostates of our leaders Because many of our muslim rulers work on non-muslim policies.for example US ordering us to do this and that.Yacni puppet Governments.They have to TELL US..But why? ask yourself... 2. Jews They have been our enemies eversince we took JESUS and all the prophets to our side. 3. Christians Coz we found 50,000 errors in their bible and took away their JESUS and also rubbished their TRINITY. 4. Evil scholars of Muslims Although this is not a main concern but they confuse the muslim Ummah from time to time. 5. Hypocrites Work for Israelis and Americans in the name of ISLAM. 6. Ignorance of our umma [the Muslim community] THIS IS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM..We have to make sure all our children..boys and girls, men/women are educated.We should know ISLAM itself.Spread ISLAM with our actions and deeds.Respect and know Our Women rights and so on. The HOLY QURAAN said "kuntum khaira umatin ukhrijat lilnaas, ta'miruuna bilmacruuf wa tanhawna cani almunkar" Meaning "You are among the best Ummah from the whole world..u who call each other for the good deeds and criticise yourselves when doing Bad" Why are Muslims behind Now...??????

Originally posted by Khayr: I don't think that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. There is a much...much...bigger and new Religion that is overtaking every other religion and it grows at times-exponentially! Can you guess what Religion that is? Khayr ...Please tell us.

Did u talk about a chissel...? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by eastside_chick_fo_shizzel: salaam,wats up yalll im jus wnt too drop my salaam,im finally in,i dnt knw anythin bout somalia and stuff and im half sinporain and somalia grow up in the states and was born here i cnt read or speck somalia soo pls tranlate for me plssssss cuz tht sucks not understands u knw how the deal is im wondering u guys trash talk like the somalia down ???????? and have a big mouth dnt be mad is kinda true let not lie aint good for your health jus knw one thing im always jokin aint never serioz and crap and on more thing im all big u hear me baggy jeans big shirts and big heart soo dnot think im were tigth pants and all tight stuff like the somalaiz up in my side but we live far from them bab fluez u knw wat i mean but lots somaliaz r kool no lie in tht im from oc in the asainz town peace from cali land Yowww Yowww....is raping RAPPING....? :rolleyes:

Did u see How christians are jealous when u say about Islam's Growth...It is not us who wrote..Their own media.. ABC/CNN/even the CIA, The BBC. "Obviously written, with an Islam agenda, by some sand digger just tryin to drum up some support for a dyin religion. Once CHRISTIAN AMERICA takes over a few more middle east countries (watch out IRAN you is next) they will all be issued KJV1611 Bibles. Meaning we are FIGHTING A WAR head on.. :mad: :mad:

^^^I indicated that was her motive.. Quotes or without quotes

Originally posted by Faridah: As for the initial topic. WHY are you even debating about something Islam forbids? So far the best quote..Did someone removed my previous thread..

Acudhka..

DEFINITION OF LIBERATION Originally posted by makalajabti: Ways to liberate women: 1-Let them strip and walk semi-naked, wear anything for a show. 2-Empower them politically (let them run the country), in work place (let them apply for high-paid jobs/ executive) 3--Let them attend swing clubs and wife swapping rings and brothels. 4-More rights: the right to choose their husbands or divorce them without the husband's permission, 5-right to not wearing the Hijab. 6- Education: encouraging girls to study and go to Uni.Get a wacel and move on. 7- A Break with the negative sides of tradition of patriarchal society eg: sexism! That is what I think about how to empower women! Any question? This is exactly what she is trying to say.That By doing almost everything against ISLAM..except for Education and the right to aspire in Life, She is going to be liberated. do all nomads agreeeeeeee? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE WAY I WANT MUSLIM/SOMALI WOMEN TO BE LIBERATED: Please Read for this thread to continue.. A forum done by the University of South California on Women Liberation concluded That ISLAM is the best bet for any woman to be liberated in the world.Before you disagree, please Read: AN IDEAL MUSLIM WOMAN AND LIBERATION A NOTE FOR FAARAXS AND XALIIMOS Happy Somali Family..Anywhere SOMALI/MUSLIM and The way Liberation has been distorted

Originally posted by Faridah: As for the initial topic. WHY are you even debating about something Islam forbids? So far the best...

^^^ http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/community/ /URL] I talked about Liberated women and expecting the thread to come with a substantial discussion..I talked about How women think they are liberated especially in the west and How best to Liberate our WOMEN. First,You will agree with me that Everyone got a culture, religion, beliefs and style in life. WESTERN LIBERATION: I argued that Many western families are not made up from structured families coz they don't follow their own religion..which is mainly christianity. AN EXAMPLE OF MARRIAGE INSTITUTION: Normally Before patners get married..You expect a marriage ceremony and prayers coz afterall there will be a significant process for getting the generation to continue.WOMEN in the west,mainly christians are LIBERATED coz they think by being free to do what she wants in life.She may go out to the clubs, she may dress the way she wants, she may disrespect her parents and ENJOY her life.So on and so forth.Now coz she thinks she has control over her LIFE, Before Marriage she accepts to be TASTED..a man goes to length and TASTE the woman to see if she is fertile and tasty.The man find her NOT TASTY and leave her on the pretext that she in not the type of the WOMAN I WANT.He goes to find a new TASTE and she goes her way competing with all other women.She accepts she is separated/divorced/Single.The WOMAN/MAN may have a child before marriage.So the child becomes a WACEL.Some may contract HIV and STD's.Now this lady/man will go to someone else and do also the same and you find a different kind of culture we are not used to.Their whole generation is made up of this TASTY WOMEN and Illegal generations(WACEL)..Ilegal kids are born everywhere in the name of TASTING..different women..different wives..here and there..ABORTION is done full eyes open.The kid boy/girl grows up and finds himself/herself a TASTE also..he/she also tries to TASTE to see if the man/lady is fertile and ENJOY life..Meanwhile his parents Have no guts to talk.This is FREEDOM and liberation we are talking about.he/she gets another WACEL..so on and so forth. The society has in other words: No control from Elders including parents relatives or religious people. No religion.. No nothing..people have no respect to marriage institutions,people become desperate.don't pray.. and the likes. In the end, everyone has FREEDOM and is liberated.The whole society is composed of WACEL generation.Women have no problem walking semi-naked, Modelling and strippers are on the loose. Albeit even FATHERS start screwing their daughthers and everything is NORMAL.People are liberated.TASTY Divorce rate is high, homicide,suicide, Kids go father/motherless..all these in the name of freedom and liberation.Children disrespecting their elders..No authority. Yacni in simpler words Do They want US to join them in Liberation..?? N Be like them. They want you to be Liberated and FREE.Join the WACEL generation and TASTE..so that the next time you strip infront of people you see it is NORMAL.Furthermore what does a WACEL has to hide..No wonder they are not like us.He/She was born out of Lust and prostitution.Many children are born uncontrollably.Some men/women are so disturbed that they think going to swinging clubs/wife swapping clubs/some join Brothels and prostitution to reduce their headache. But afterall, YOU WILL DIE and still be answerable to your GOD. PERSONAL ADVICE Kids never forgive you once they know they have no fathers/mothers or you don't give them proper explanation of what had happened. ISLAMICALLY: This is not the case as what is supposed to be done by MUSLIMS if they follow their religion to the latter.. Alhamdulillah, we are born with proper FAMILY lineages.Quraan was read on every marriage ceremony.We marry on consent and according to the proper laid down religious guidelines.We don't refute OUR CULTURE sometimes plays a great role in messing our life.We don't refuse There are problems here and there,Economically/socially/spiritually.. BUT WHAT GUIDES US... ISLAM AND LIBERATION Because ISLAM cautions us about all this and since they want us to Leave ISLAM and be like them, They started HATING ISLAM.Surely ISLAM advises on proper MAN/WOMAN union..Marriage and Families..Right of women and also when faced with difficulties in life SABAR(patience).Infact like PATIENCE, it was decribed as a core topic involving a MUSLIM in his/her daily life.Problems are there everyone understands and is part of life.. God has even said in One ayah in the HOLY QURAAN: 002/045 PICKTHAL: "Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded" MISCONCEPTION about Liberation Now we didn't talk about LIBERATIONS as concerns WESTERN WOMEN..only..(we have talked about the general picture..& our Xaliimos and Faaraxs in the WEST)..and "LIBERATION" in ISLAM..How are you supposed to be liberated? What is LIBERATION.?e talked about Liberation in context of Cultures and so on.I feel indebted to say that Since MANY MUSLIMS nowadays are looking for WORLDY things than AKHEERA(Life after this world), I would say people do not practise their religion well. CONFUSION ABOUT ISLAM AND CULTURE OR HATE FOR ISLAM If you read what Makalajabti,A somali and a muslim probably, has written, you will surely notice a lot of nuisance to the thread..She/He said: Originally posted by makalajabti: Muslim countries (arabs or not) have the WORST RECORD OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS?.And you dare talking about how westerners treat their women? :eek: BUT TALKING OF ARABS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ISLAM/B] Although Arabs are Pioneers of ISLAM and the Holy Quraan was revealed in ARABIC, please abstain confusing people with what ARABS do to their women and what ISLAM needs them to do.By the way, There are Arab muslims/Arab christians/Arab culture.Why do u think ISLAM was chosen for the arabs first.The Holy Quraan talks about them so much.Do u realize that ARABS had crude culture where: WOMEN used to buried alive. WOMEN had no education. WOMEN were not valued at all. WOMEN could not inherit and a host of other problems..and ISLAM came to save the women??? Liberation as in ISLAM meant that we empower our women through the teaching of Holy Quraan and Sunnah of our prophet Mohamed saw. Finally does anyone has any other ways of liberating WOMEN...? Now go read about ISLAM and be a good muslim.