and headed directly to the gist of it; and therefore, say you are free to believe all manner of “Official Web-sites” and what they in turn purport to say about Somaliland. I would love to just put it away and forget about it, but comments like this. In which you are saying that even though the US makes official announcements on their websites and invitations that they are not recognizing or on the verge to recognize NW Somalia that in fact they are saying something different behind close doors, Is interesting. I guess it is like Edna Adan, who waved the passport of your enclave to a crowd and claimed to have travelled the world with it. When some one in the crowd interrupted her and yelled "I have that same passport and I can't get into one country."

Ahh Mr. Oodweyne You never site one website to back up any claims you make, it's always your opinion. Since you have no concrete evidence to show, i.e. a picture of Riyaale arrival in Kuwait, or any such meeting with your "ambassador" in the U.S and a high ranking government official, you need to always speak in mystery form. Hinting towards secret meetings that are taking place behind the scenes! You are now naming different men and a new phenomenon of naming their wives to. It’s quite entertaining, the only thing you can present is...."there are meetings behind close doors that have not been made public." It seems not that your response to state department official press releases concerning the unity of Somalia is to try and make us believe that they are not really what the state department feels. You simply don't understand the magnitude of the meeting in Washington, not particularly the meeting but the invitations. The leader Riyaale has already met with government representatives a year or so back in Washington, they State Department are fully aware that you wish to be considered independent. Every news article written about you and your fellow inhabitants of NW Somalia makes it clear they want to be considered independent. I am certain that the intelligence reports government officals receive on Somalia, makes it clear NW Somalis want to be their own country. Yet, despite all that i.e the meetings with Riyaale, the numerous letters all over the entire world, your alleged "ambassador" in the United States!! Your enclave was still sent an invitation grouping you with a united Somalia. They have completely ignored your wishes; they weren't concerned about your reaction to this. They'd rather have you boycott the meetings then change the wording to their invitation that might even allude towards you as an independent entity or even quasi seperate from Somalia. They could have at least just invited Puntland State of Somalia and the Federal Government reps knowing your wishes were to not be included. How can you possible have an Ambassador in the U.S when the U.S refuses to exclude you from Somalia? What fascinates me is not that you want to be independent. You have a right to choose whatever you want. If those in NW Somalia want it, then by all means let them try! The obstacles are huge and no country will want to touch Africa that's why they refer it to someone else, but still you can try. What shocks me is that from reading your posting and those of your pupils. You truly believe that you are an independent State, with ambassadors around the world. Those other countries in this case the U.S deal with you as if they are dealing with another nation, when they won’t even invite you as an independent one. Or when Riyaale arrives in Kuwait and not even one picture? Did you see the former President Abdullahi Yusuf welcome in Kuwait last year? The part that gets me is that you actually believe that you are being taking as an independent nation. Wouldn’t your welcome in other countries or lack there of make you tone down your rhetoric?

Good that the infrastructure is back to operate .... not it is time to properly manage the taxes. So they can be used to build brand new buildings in Hargeysa and do touch up work in Lascaanod!

:rolleyes:

Can you produce the link to this article?

Powerful Picture! Puntland needs to really unite. Representative Donald Payne statement was powerful! North West Somalis don't realize that, after the years of claiming to be independant. After their leader visited the United States and made it clear that they want to be considered independant, the US still refuses to do so and continues to invite them with the rest of Somalia, Remember, they are fully aware that Riyaale and the Rest of NW Somalia wish to be considered independant, yet they still invited. That is why they refused to participate, in protest. After 18 years and countlessly pleading, they are not viewed any different. I'm proud of our President Faroole to!!! Job well done.

That is the old Bank of the city! next to the Masjid jaamaca! Exposed once again.

In the same paragraph you denied that there is no evidence of war crimes being commited only to admit at the end. There is evidence of war crimes commited by siyad barre' facist goverment. But, Somaliland has moved on and isn't stuck on the pass as some others who are still trying to avenge for what happened in 90s civil wars. The bodies found in mass graves with hands tied behind their backs is the evidence that war crimes occurred. Who put them their is the question. The former regime and SNM have both been accused by many international organizations as being involved in human rights abuse. If you want to blame Siyad Barre's "facist regime", then you must include Riyaale as well! That is my only point! Why would north west Somalia sites right this about their leader? If they are upset with him i.e. over elections, why make up that he was part of the NSS and committed war crimes and post it on their site? This are your sites writing this.

That is the map the world recognizes!!

originally posted by Oodweyne: Dear lad, go find out as to who Dr. Sacad Sh. Noor Osman of Virginia is, at least in relation to the State Department's perception of what Somaliland is vis-a-vis that of Somalia as a whole. This is from the State Departments official website regarding travel warning as of November 15, 2008, as you notice a search of northwest Somalia (Somaliland as you like to say) puts it in a group with the rest of Somalia altogether and to me their is no difference between the South or North: In there eyes!! The Sanaag and Sool Regions in eastern Somaliland, bordering on Puntland (northeastern Somalia), are subject to insecurity due to ongoing border disputes and inter-clan fighting. There also have been several fatal attacks and violent kidnappings against international relief workers, including Westerners, throughout Somalia, Somaliland, and Puntland. Lines of control in Mogadishu are unclear and frequently shift, making movement within Mogadishu extremely hazardous. Violent riots have recently occurred in Mogadishu, as thousands of civilians protested rising food prices and the devaluation of the Somali currency. State Department This, as you will probably agree with me in here, is far more than welcome sight than the idea of opening your mouth like now, and removing any doubt that others may have entertained about you; in the sense of them giving you the "benefit of the doubt" of you not be so lowly of an "intelligent creature", to begin with, indeed. I've said it before you feel the need to insult to help raise your profile as an articulate well-educated person stating facts. Even though you rarely provide sites to back up your claims and everything is an opinion piece. However your writings are quite entertaining and I truly do believe that in your mind you believe that the rest of the world takes Northwest Somalia seriously and in your eyes it is an independent recognized state. That just fascinates me; that you truly believe that your have independent international standing. Even though the US told your leader to take it up with the AU, there was not a single picture of his arrival to Kuwait. But to you it doesn't matter! So you in turn must insult and make comments about other areas like Pirateland and what not. Back to the Thread, If you see the topic of this thread, your unrecognized government rejected an offering that was given to them by the US. Pay attention to that carefully. Mr. Oodweyne you asked, "The state department’s perception of Northwest Somalia?" The State Department obviously thinks that it is part of Somalia, or it would never have sent it an invite. It was a meeting involving Somalia and your side was sent an invite that you rejected, because they refused to recognize you as different then Somalia(I’m sure and some point your side offered to participate if they did differentiate you from Somalia, but they most likely refused). But the fact remains by the State Departments invite to Northwest Somalia, that as of June 2009, they are still sending you invites to meetings involving Somalia!!! They are not inviting Djibouti, Yemen, Kenya and other nations who are involved in Combating piracy. Just Somalia!!! From South, Northwest and Northwest!!! They see no difference!!

It was a response to mr. -marx- comment that Siad's regime committed extermination.

somalilandpatriots.c om I think the link was purposely hidden..JB can you please give us the link next time and not just cut and paste an article? But nonetheless of course a site named somalilandpatriots would have a keen interest in seeing the meetings fail.

Oh no, Poker, JB and the rest of North West Somalia's apprentices have come out for Oodweyne!

There is an opinion by "-Marx-"that there was a extermination taking place by Siad Barre's regime, and there are opinions that president of North West Somalia Dahir Riyaale was involved in it (posted on Northwest Somalia Sites). I am pretty sure since no one has been brought up on war crimes from Gen Morgan to Riyaale that there is a lack of factual evidence to prove either claim. There is no doubt however, both sides engaged in warcrimes. Also, Former President Abdullahi Yusuf spent more time fighting the injustices of the former Regime LONG before anyone else did. Riyaale was still part of Siad's Regime until the end.

Somalilandglobe My son, how else did Dahir Rayale Kahin, the so-called president of Somaliland, ended up at the helm of what appeared to be a fledgling democracy? It is a well-known fact that this man was a senior ranking officer of the notorious National Security Service (NSS), an organization that the Gestapo, the KGB, and the German SS would have envied because of its brutality. He was strategically placed at the Red Sea port of Berbera during the height of the genocidal campaign against my people. It is a common knowledge that such high profile postings were created for rewarding members in the NSS force who carried out their brutal duties with distinction. My son, As Raqiya Omar of Human Rights Watch documented in her much-celebrated book, “A Government at War With Its Own People“, there were witnesses who lived in Berbera and elsewhere in Somaliland who directly linked Rayale Kahin to the atrocities that were committed there. Is it not ironic then that a man who served as a senior officer in the dreaded NSS during Siyad Barre’s genocidal campaign could find himself sitting at the helm of a fledgling democracy that was born out of resistance to that brutal experience? somalilandpress Why would all these sites make this up about their leader?

Somalilandtimes Mohamed Said Barre is not alone in his guilt for these crimes against humanity, for which no-one has yet been prosecuted. Some of the other key architects of this policy of annihilation, men like Mohamed Sa’eed Morgan, Mohamed Hashi Gaani and countless other collaborators, continue to wreak havoc in Somalia. Others, including Mohamed Ali Samater, live in comfortable exile in the United States and elsewhere in the world. And then others are right here in Somaliland. And they include President Dahir Rayale, who was head of the feared and powerful secret service, the National Security Service (NSS) in Berbera. President Rayale is named in A Government at War With Its Own People.

Siyad Barre regime to mobilise his people against the extermination of the people of Northern Somalia And in return the leader of feared NSS Dahir Riyaale who was a memeber of Siyaad Barre's Regime and NSS station chief in Berbera, was named leader of Northwest Somalia? If this extermination actually happened why would the head of the security appratus that carried out many human rights abuses be made leader? There is only one conclusion, this extermination must never have happened or there would be thousands that would want his head!!! Or both sides committed crimes as many have alleged!!

On the other hand Abdillahi Mohamed Dualeh Foreign Minister of somaliland and Mohamed Omaar Foreign Minister tfg this too guys realy did well their homework. both where staying at Renaissance Mayflower Hotel match better then holiday inn lol where faroole and ilka jiir where staying Days inn hotel. Faroole nasiib xumaa waxaan maqli jiray ( first Impression counts !!!) hadiiba markii horabe aan laqiimeen mawaxaa la qiimeendoonaa hadalkiisa!!!! Link Regardless I stand corrected, I thought this "Garyaqaan*" character, atleast was telling one thing that was the truth. Last time I trust someone without a source!

But what about your enclave of Northwest somalia? Your foreigner minister came to washington, after an invitiation to participate in the meeting and now refuses to attend it. Did he think showing up, would change the US's mind in recognizing the tribal enclave? Or maybe pulling out will. I wish i saw his face when he realized he was invited because he was from Somalia and not imaginary tribal enclave.

Che, Why is Mogadishu one of he most dangerous cities in the world, why have they been fighting continously since the government collapsed? It was real city and now has been stripped. I just don't understand why it is the most dangerous place in Africa, maybe in the world. When the ICU took it over, they weren't satisfied and wanted the whole country so they tried to spread out. I'm sure that if they weren't united then in their attempt to grab the whole country and just stayed in their area, they would have started fighting each other. You can blame Kenya, Ethiopia, Amison, the West for killing civilians..... but why have the people in Mogadishu been in constant fighting each other?

I've been waiting to, hís spin on this will be really good. It'll definitely involve secret meetings being held in washington concerning the imminent recognition that is about to come.

A real government would have refused to send their representitive half way across the world and would have rejected the meeting before hand. North West Somalia thought that they would be able to convince the US to hold seperate meetings with their people or acknowledge in someway their government. They were flatly denied and decided to reject the meeting. Why did they show up in the first place? They must have actually thought they were going to be look at as a different country. BOTTOM LINE, they are pulling out of the meetings because they know they are being viewed by the most powerful nation in he world the United States of America as just another region in Somalia. What do they expect, not a single country in the world recognizies them, their leader was in Kuwait and wasn't even given any kind of official welcome.

They recognize Somalia and only Somalia. Puntland state of Somalia, North West Somalia, South Somalia etc. That is why the meeting that is occuring in America right now involves representivies from all over Somalia. Even though Djbouti plays a big role in fighting piracy, they didn't come to this meeting. Only reps from Somalia did.

The whole world recognizes it as the North Western part of Somalia.

Definitely a northwest somali, pretending he's not.