Cowke, There is no reconciliation needed between the two. One has retired the other is the president. Cade is in the history books. So this alleged meeting most likely won’t be happening. ThankfulSP after seeing your total out-right hostility to farole I don't have any hostility towards President Faroole. My issue is the website Garoweonline that pretends to be independent and a fair site, but in actuality is the new Puntland Government website. Run by his sons, who shower his father with constant praise, at the expense of the entire state. His son's know they get a lot of non-somali readers because of their English content. So they purposely refused to even update the government website, because they would rather spread their propaganda through garoweonline and pretend they are not attached to the government. It was a calculated move to pretend they are just regular news outlet happy with the new government, when in actual fact it is the president’s family run site. Now, I know most people aren't upset that this government has called an all out war on the media. A government that has put more effort in attacking and reigning in on press freedom, then they have on piracy. I know many people aren't upset that the VOA was intimidated for simply interview someone. No warnings, the reporter wasn't spoken to at the VOA, they were immediately banned (I know someone will say that they were warned “behind closed doors”, but the warning should have been made public). I knew when the president actually addressed cartoonist Amin arts, that there might be problems. But I never thought to this extent! Look at Puntlandpost and Horseednet, both complained about being intimidated by Faroole's son. ARE THESE PEOPLE MAKING IT UP? Since when has these sites complained about being intimidated? The whole Amin arts and VOA issue further proves that these complaints from Horseednet and Puntlandpost are most likely telling truthful. Right now, the government is trying to control what news comes out of the state. They know in Puntland that not everyone has access to the internet, so they purposely went after radio which has a larger audience. Basically my issue is the attack on the media that the government is undertaking and the website Garoweonline that is its new mouth piece, masquerading that it has no attachment to the government. It might not bother you, but it does bother me. NONE OF THE NEWS CAN BE BELIEVED IF REPORTERS ARE BEING INTIMIDATED. It will be all rosy and to the government liking. Look at the Garoweonline news piece, attacking another news outlet with the same stance that the government has. All other news agencies were upset that a fellow media outlet was banned and voiced their concern; they saw it as an attack on all media outlets. But not Garoweonline, they agreed with it. Garoweonline

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Cowke maybe I wasn't clear. When President Faroole was elected, he added new minister positions. However, for the Minister of Oil and Minerals. He took it away and said that the new person in charge will be the "Director" of Minerals and Oil and that it would fall directly under the president. I believe he did this so he could better monitor it. Basically what I am saying is that from day one Faroole's government has no "Minister" of Minerals and Oil. Cise Dholow is the "Director." A decree issued Thursday and signed by Dr. Abdirahman Mohamed "Farole," Puntland's new leader, officially named Mr. Isse Mohamud "Dholowa" to lead the Minerals and Petroleum Agency, which falls directly under the president's office. Mr. Isse Mohamud "Dholowa," Puntland's new petroleum director The previous administration in Puntland, led by ex-President Adde Muse, had established the region's first Ministry of Petroleum, which led efforts to boost oil exploration in Puntland by Australian and Canadian firms. Garoweonline

No no, not me. You think i'm sad because faroole online said a lawmaker lost his immunity, making our whole state look barbaric. I think you are sad for referring to other members as women, when they cornered you.

So it doesn't concern you as a Puntlander that the presidents son's website said that a parliament member lost his "immunity?" If it doesn't bother you, it does bother me. I didn't realize our judicial system was unable to go after lawmakers for certain crimes. What is quite sad is your childish and immature insults that you spew to people on this site when they corner you.

No Bro, I mean for the article that you posted, what site did you get it from? Also, Cise dholow is not a Minister but the Director of Oil and Minerals. President Faroole took that position away and made it fall directly under him.

Cowke whats you source?

Hence, it's best to leave there. I agree! But just for future reference, I will not sit quietly while lies and half truths are written. :cool:

Nassir, Do you speak for all of Sanaag? Is that all you care about because that is were your Reer comes from? You should be upset about everyone I mention, not just your group. It seems you only care about the people of Sanaag.

The Nairobi group is already failing the diplomatic and political war before their military adventure began. No military "adventure" is forth coming! Just like last time when NW Somalia president tried to set foot in the city, the people became fed up. Puntland doesn't need to cause any fighting. The people in the city are slowly realizing that they have no chance of running for vice pres or president. They have no "representation" and pretty soon they will demand it. No matter what, NW somalia's admins presence is unsustainable if they continue to let one group countrol all the power. Sool and Sanaag, will revolt.

Adeer, When you finally learn history of Somaliland's reconciliation conferences; and how many iteration of “collective political atonement” it went through; as well as how tall the “examining hoops” in which the likes of Mr. Rayale had to jump through were, in-order for his likes to be acceptable (both morally, and legally) for the vast numbers of people who view him Ok, then please show me video footaged of these ALLEGED conferences. Where your current leader Dahir Riyaale sat infront of some sort of political/judicial or any sort of commission and answered questioned. Show me something TANGIBLE concerning the hoops Riyaale went through. Must war crime conferences were taped or documented. I have been unsuccessful in finding any investigation that looked at Dahir Riyaale pass employment with the NSS and the known war crimes that were committed in the city of Bebera while he was stationed there. The fact that someone who worked for the NSS in any capacity was "selected" vice-president years later show's that both sides committed regrettable crimes and are willing to move own. So please don't mention Siad Barre's Regime (which without a doubt committed severe human rights abuses), when you have the likes of Riyaale as president. There's a reason why he refuses to hold elections, even though he was elected in. He learned oppression from his days with the NSS.

Secondly, after the war, he spend a great deal of effort, in “rehabilitatingng his honour” (as it were) through various stages of “political atonement”; hence, the reason he was welcomed back into the fold of the “French political establishment” and his subsequent rise within the Socialist party of France. This is my whole point!!!! Has Dahir Riyaale gone through any of this. Has he been made to answer questions for his involvement infront of a panel, have witnesses been spoken to? Mr. Mitterrand was made to constantly answer, books have been written about him. You mentioned Gen. Afweyne and what he did to your cities. Now, I ask you Mr. Riyaale worked in the same city for the same government agency that people were tortured and killed. In that city, he was a not a low level person. He was senior to others (in berbera). Those that were buried in mass graves with their hands tied behind their backs in NW Somalia(as was the case all over Somalia), had this done to them by members of the military and the National Security Service (NSS). Whether he was a low level members committing the crimes against his own people or a high level passing down order is irrelevant. He was there! I've met someone in Somalia that said he was captured during the Puntland fighting in the part of this decade. He told me that he was beaten and when I asked do you remember their faces, he said no. He said that when it is happening to you, you don't remember that stuff, you are hungry, disoriented. Do you really believe, that, if, there was a crime of the sort that you are having in mind, in which he has committed it, then, he would of being walking about the place, “unmolested” (in the clannish sense of that word). Much less became, a president of the same people, that he was “torturing” (as you hold) when he was on the “other side” of the fence. Yes, I do believe that. The SNM were cited for alleged war crimes and so was the NSS. I believe that we all know why Riyaale was given the position he was by Egal. To get Borama and other area's inhabited by Riyaale's "clan" on the independance experiment. I also think that, like "Gen Afweyne", Riyaale may have not been physically committing the war crimes. But he remained with the NSS during these crimes and passed orders along. You are trying to minimize his stature in the old regime, but he was working for a agency, in a city that war crimes were committed. The bottom line is this, if you are going to Mention Siad Barre (and what he did to your cities) and what had occurred and use it to support your secessionist aspirations. Has Dahir Riyaale ever been questioned or gone through "political atonement"? I guess you see things your way, and it will never change. But in NW Somalia, i'm pretty sure that is why Riyaale and others in that region aren't pushing towards war crimes charges and calling for human rights investigators to investigate what happened. They know where the fingers will be pointed to. So just like your government in NW Somalia is doing, I suggest you not mention Siad Barre's regime and the war crimes. Because the "regime" had many players helping it.

And, in here let me remind you, that the previous president of France, namely the said Mr. Francois Mitterrand (from 1981 – 1995); was essentially mid-level bureaucratic functionary of the then “Vichy regime” of France under the then “Marshall Philippe Pertain”; which was a “collaborationist government”, in which Herr Hitler’s high command in Paris have established it, in-order for her to faithfully executes the orders from Berlin. Francois Mitterrand was a man that fought and was captured and imprisoned my "herr hitler". His history and involvement during WW2 is up to much debate, as was many french citizens and France in general was. Regardless he was questioned extensively as is the custom around the world for those accused of war crimes. You Mr. Oodweyne mentioned what "Gen. Afweyne" and in the past Gen. Morgan had done. Which is fair. But your current president Riyaale was a known NSS official in Berbera. He work in a city for a government agency that committed countless war crimes. He was on Siad's side particulary during the civil unrest that was accoring there. Not on the rebels side but the governments. Has he ever been questioned? Has evidence such as witnesses ever been checked? If Gen. Afwenye committed war crimes, then ALL those especially those working for the NSS should be punished. Do you really think having Riyaale as you president helps with your case?

Thirdly; it's tragic indeed, at least for those of us from Somaliland, since, out of sheer love for the concept of "Somali brotherhood" that we have then, we did get entagled ourselves in that "waiting inferno"; which, eventually, have blown of in our face, in the form of what late Gen. Afweyne's have done to our cities and folks, indeed. What I don't understand and if you could please enlighten me. Why is it that Dahir Riyaale the president of your region a known member of "Gen. Afweyne's"(who you claimed did things to your cities and folks) feared NSS became president of your area? If you suffered abuse at the hands of Gen. Afweyne and war crimes, would you not be angry and those that were part of his government, because surely Gen Afweyne could not carry out his missions without the assistance of people on the ground. The President and other members of NW Somalia's government in Hargeysa were on the pay roll and carried out orders for "Gen. Afweyne's" regime who you claim attacked your cities. This is precisely why war crimes have never been brought against any Somali. Because unlike other conflicts, no one in Hargeysa, NE Somalia or the South wants to punish everyone involved. They only want people from other regions to face justice and for there family to be left alone. In Iraq, the new government first banned any former Baath party members from joining, later under pressure they finally gave in and said they would only allow very low level members in to the new government. In the Hargeysa NW Somalia, they not only allow members of dictator "Gen Afweyne" into their government, they make them president. Mentioning Siad Barre is understandable, warcrimes were committed. But to be fair those under him must be looked at as well.

Deputy Chair of Parliament Mr. Baashe stipulated, if there is ever a breakout of clanish war in Sool as has been in the past then it will be between the locals and not anyone else. I completely agree with him, it has always been a local issue. Whoever Habsaade is sided with determines who lascaanod is loyal to. Puntland may have underestimated local support and so did Riyaale the last time he tried to visit. Those in control seem to rightful decide on their own who they should side with; if this decade is any indication decisions can easily change.

Deputy Chair of Parliament Mr. Baashe stipulated, if there is ever a breakout of clanish war in Sool as has been in the past then it will be between the locals and not anyone else. I completely agree with him, it has always been a local issue. Whoever Habsaade is sided with determines who lascaanod is loyal to. Puntland may have underestimated local support and so did Riyaale the last time he tried to visit. Those in control seem to rightful decide on their own who they should side with; if this decade is any indication decisions can easily change.

I'm pretty sure Reer Sool has proven what they are capable of when they are fed up with someone living in their lands.

I'm pretty sure Reer Sool has proven what they are capable of when they are fed up with someone living in their lands.

What Benefits is it to ina faroole? Is that a serious question? So it makes his father look good! Last time i'll say it, the presidents website said that this lawmaker lost his immunity and that "it was the first time a lawmaker was arrested and lost his immunity", this is very concerning to me. I want to know, what immunity did parliament member accused of rape have, that he lost. Immunity from what? I've answered your questions, now before you ask me another one, just answer that, what immunity is the Faroole's kids talking about.

"The Voice of America is one of the world's most trusted sources for news and information from the United States and around the world." Stop acting smart! Why is your vice president at this opening?

Not a good sign when you vice president is at the opening press conference, you want the government and media seperate.

You're the one that mentioned Cadde not me. I might be looking at it with different lenses, but you are blind to the facts! Ina Faroole are trying to take credit for arresting someone and are saying that in the past immunity would have protected him, their fathers government is different! You can try and rationalize what they said. And make me seem like i'm the one that is not understanding it. But like I said, you are avoiding my question. What freakin immunity did lawmakers have that this guy lost??? So there is some immunity clause that lawmakers have in Puntland?...i'd like to know what it is!!!! What is Farooleonline talking about when they say lawmakers have immunity.

GD Fair enough! If you look at Puntlandgovt.com english section, it hasn't been updated since January! The new Puntland Government website is Garoweonline which we all know is run by the president sons. Garoweonline is more concerned with President Faroole image then Puntlands image. By writing stuff like our lawmakers have immunity over the law and that this particular one lost his really hurts the state. It makes it look like we are lawless.....when we are not!

Currently, there is a Puntland MP jailed in Bossaso awaiting trail for a rape case, making it the first time a Puntland lawmaker was jailed and lost his immunity. Ok Mr.Ghelle T, you still haven't answered my question, it is saying that it is FIRST TIME a puntland lawmaker was put in jail and lost his IMMUNITY. Now I am saying, what immunity did law makers have? They have ALWAYS fell under the same laws as everyone else and if they break it, they must face the courts. Garoweonline are lying about this and trying to take advantage of such a tragic situation. All I want to know is about this Immunity business. They are saying a Puntland Lawmaker lost his immunity, what immunity!!!!! So there are certain crimes they don't get punished and are immune to?

Answer my question please. What past immunity was there that the accused parliament rapist lost?