Pirates were fishermen! Puntland is the only place that has the gulf of aden and indian ocean, lots of oppurtunities to fish. That's why there are tons of illegal fishing vessels scattered around.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: This is great indeed-ThankfulSP qouting Garoweonline without throwing accusations at it Accusations or facts? I will quote Garoweonline because it is the new Puntland Government Website, I just wanted everyone to know who owns it. It's a shame that the real Puntland government site is not being utilized. But lets not ruin this amazing day. I am confident that the people will benefit from this deal. President Faroole made the right decision.

Garowe Online Africa oil oo dib u bilaabeysa baarista shidaalka Puntland 8 Dec 8, 2009 - 12:59:34 PM WARSAXAFADEED Madaxa Africa Oil oo decument ku wareejinaya Madaxweynaha Puntland Wafti ka socda shirkada Africa Oil iyo Range Resource ayaa maanta 8 Dec, 2009 booqasho ku yimid magaalo madaxda Puntland ee Garowe kuwaasoo la kulmay Madaxweyne Cabdiraxman Maxamad Maxamud Faraole, xubno ka tirsan golaha Wasiirada iyo Barlamanka. Xubnahaan booqashada ku yimid Garowe ayaa waxaa hogaaminayey Madaxa shirkadda Africa Oil Keith Hill waxaana la socday Peter Landaul oo isaguna ah CEO Range Resurce. Madaxa agaasimaha shidaalka & macdanta Puntland & madaxa Africa Oil Wafitgaan ayaa xafiiska ku booqdey Madaxweynaha Puntland Cabdiraxman Farole kadibna kulan balaaran la qaatey xubnaha Wasiirada iyo Barlamanka kuwaasoo ka tirsanaa guddi horey ula kulmi jirey shirkadahan kadib markii dowladda Puntland amartey in dib u eegis lagu sameeyo heshiisyadii ay la galeen dowladdii hore ee Puntland. Kulankaan ayaa waxaa warbixin ka bixiyey heerarkii ay soo mareen wadahadalka dowladda iyo shirkadaha shidaalka baarista madaxa hay’ada Ciise Maxamud Dholawaa isaga oo sheegey in la isku soo horfariistey goobo badan wadaxjood loola gol-leeyahay sidii wax looga badali lahaa heshiika ay horey ula galeen dowlada Puntland. Golayaasha dowladda oo la kulmaya xubnaha Africa Oil Wadahadalkan dib eegista heshiiska ayaa ka tarjumayey siyasada guud ee dowladda cusub ee Puntland kaas oo diiradda saarayey in shirkadaha shidaalka baara gadaal loo eego heshiisyadoodii iyo waxa ay horey uga qabteen Puntland. Heshiiska dib loola galey shirkadahaan ayaa madaxa hay’ada shidaalka iyo macdanta Puntland ku soo koobey warbixinta uu ka bixiyey kulankaan qodabadan hoos ku qoran: 1- In waqti, tabar iyo maal loo hurey sidii looga badali lahaa heshiisyada labada dhinac iyada oo ay ku baxdey lacag kor u dhaafeysa ilaa 100,000 USD taas ay qaateen qaareeno caalami ah oo aqoon dheer u leh arrimaha heshiisyada shidaalka. 2- Waxaa meesha laga saarey dhamaan qodobkii ahaa in qolo ama shirkad ay wadanka oo dhan leedahay badd iyo Barri-ba [ Exculisive Rights]. 3- In labada block ee harey oo shirkadahaan ka howlgali doonaan [ Dharoor iyo Nugaal Valley] gacanta shacabka ku soo noqdaan halsano gudahood boqolkiiba konton (50%) 4- In ay ka qayb qaadanayaan horumarinta arrimaha bulshada sida caafimadka, waxbarashada iyo nadafada biyaha. 5- In dib loogu wareejiyo dowladda Puntland dhamaan xogtii laga heley dooxada Dharor Valley & baaritaanadii horey looga sameeyey Nugal Valey iyo 6- In amaanka guud ee shirkadahaan gacanta ku hayn doonto dowladda Puntland taas oo horey u qoran jireen dadka ka howlgala howlaha amni sugida. Kulankaan ayaa waxaa sidoo kale ka hadley madaxa shirkada Africa Oil Keith Hill oo sheegey in ay ka go’antahay dib-u-bilabista howlaha baarista shidaalka isaga oo ku kalsoon in hurumar laga gaari doono islamarkana Puntland ka faa’ido doonto shaqaale iyo khayraad ahaan-ba. Keith ayaa xusey sidoo kale in hehsiiskaan cusub noqon doono mid wada shaqeyn ah [Partnership] kana duwanaan doono kuwii hore. Kulankan ayaa waxaa lagu sixixey heshiis ay dowladda Puntland ku ogolaatey in saamiga Africa boqolkiiba 15% u gudbin doonto shirkada cusub oo la yiraadho Lion Energy taasoo ka qayb qaadan doonta qodista shidaalka. Madaxa hay’adda shidaalka Puntland ayaa sheegey in manta 8 Dec,2009 laga bilaabo aysan jiri doonin wax qarsoon iyada oo wax-kabadalida qodobadaan la horgeyn doono golaha Wasiirada kadibna Barlamanka Puntland. Madaxweynaha Puntland ayaan sixiixin qaybaha kale ee wax-kabadlida heshiiskaan madaama aysan weli ansaxin golayaasha dowladda halka shirkadda Africa Oil qalinka ku duugtey halkii ay ku leheyd sixiixeeda.. Xafiiska la taliyaha Madaxweynaha ee arrimaha saxaafada Puntland

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Egypt and IGAD FULL support and recognition of SOMALIA has not helped Somalis, nor has it stabilized the country or contributed anything significant to the chaos for the last 22yrs. please post a thread once Egypt or any other countries says that they are so against the idea of independent SL “that they are going to Bomb and attack the place to destroy the ideology and the power base” till then NOTHING NEW. Of course it won't help Somalia or stabilized the country, because that can ONLY BE DONE BY US. No one is going to come in and sort out our mess. That's the problem with many here they think that other countries owe us something or they are going to swoop in and save us, it is us and only us that can do it. What the rest of the world has done, like Egypt did most recently is once again make it clear that they will make it offical that they will not support the silly notion of NW Somalia's dreams. Egypt, IGAD the AU and others are all doing one thing for Somalia, that is giving it international legitimacy, Where Somalia's leader can speak infront of a world audience at the UN and is internationally recognized. Can we ask for anything more? They have opened up the door for us and now it's our job to go the rest of the way. What Egypt and other countries have done to NW Somalia's admin in Hargeysa is basically say we will not recognize you, take it or leave it! The fact Riyaale met with a man who publicly says he will not recognize his region and reaffirms what everyone else says that Somalia still borders Djibouti, shows how desperate Riyaale is. One thing is for certain the NW Somalia admin during the beginning of this decade would never have accepted a visit like this after Egypts statement. Hope seems to be quickly fading.

Oodweyne will say that behind close doors Egypt recognizes us, just like every other country in the world. They just say a different think in public

Originally posted by Oodweyne: in-terms of whether it's Mr. Rayale's party or that of Mr. Silanyo's who will fit the bill better in here, come the next presidential election,. Come next elections? There has been what 3 cancelled? Can you tell me what the new election date is? There will be no more elections so long as former Siad Barre employee Riyaale is still in power. He has made it clear that he is not stepping down. Your leader Riyaale was elected in by the people, and now he refuse to allow the people to decide whether he should be re-elected. A place that calls itself a democracy, but doesn't hold elections, that is definitely news worthy.

In Eyl, pirates pay $5 for a shoeshine This is such a lie, nowhere in Bosasso is a shoe shine 50 cents and 100% DEFINITELY NOT 5 dollars in Eyl. It isn't even that much in the country I live in. These articles love to exaggerate and embellish the truth. The author Mr. Mohamed Olad Hassan bio says that" "Mohamed Olad Hassan Born in Mogadishu july 1977 is Ap freelance writer in the somali capital Mogadhishu. also he works with Bbc's network and focus on Africa programs. It's like a Puntland journalist writing about Mogadishu or Hargeysa Somalia. Puntlanders need to wake up, there is a consorted effort against us in the media, some of which is our fault.

Cowke, please stop presenting your opinions as facts. The gernade attacks are not from Puntlanders, why would they be bombing cinema's that have ethiopians in them? Why would they purposely attack soldiers at a check point. Those attacks are done by the savage murders Al-Shabaab, this is the group that has said they will not stop the their attacks until all foreigners are out of the country. So, these targeted attacks are not being done by Puntlanders!!! And don't tell me someone guy on Paltalk told you about something that was going to happened and it ended up happening. Did you ever think (if this guy even existed) that he might be trying to blame someone else??? I can't say for certain but from what I am hearing, this has to do with a checkpoint from a while back where someone was killed, and their is tension. Right now they arrested like 21 guys from both sides and the murders just fled to area's of Somalia most likely Hargeisa. No war is going to take place, these people are brothers.

They can think of me whatever they want. I still have a decent job and a roof over my head in a foreign country. For that I'm thankful. The West don't need you. They need, doctors, investors and sciencits. I read a British think-tank report that said 80% of Somalis are on Benefits. You are simply draining their state. You comfort yourself in half truth, lies and the cloak of religion. Your country is broken and your society ruined. Might it be better if we acted lawfully, modestly and do hard-work when we are in foreign lands? That is where you are completely and utterly WRONG. The most important requirement Western nations need from us is to come and do jobs that they are unwilling to do themselves. Sure they need people from the professions that you mentioned, but their society won't survive without us and they know it! I agree our country is broke, and many other Africa countries, a result of COLONIALISM. Who pitted tribe against tribe and destroyed our natural resources. In terms of your report that 80% of Somalis were on benefits, show me proof. Like I said, western countries need us just as much as we need them! Malaysia is realizing how important we are! Ny Times Businesses Struggle With Malaysia's Restrictions on Foreign Workers Sign in to Recommend Published: August 31, 2009 KUALA LUMPUR — It is lunchtime at the Wangsa Ukay restaurant in suburban Kuala Lumpur, and regulars are coming in for local favorites like roti canai, chicken curry and tea tarik, the sweet, milky drink that is ubiquitous across Malaysia Rahman Roslan Salim, a Bangladeshi migrant worker, serving a customer during a busy lunch hour at the Wangsa Ukay restaurant in August. Rahman Roslan Muneandy Nalepan, the owner of Wangsa Ukay restaurant, in his office in Kuala Lumpur. The owner, Muneandy Nalepan, has time to stop and talk for now, but when peak times hit on weekends, he and his wife must pitch in to help clear tables. He used to have a staff of 120 — almost all foreigners — working in his five restaurants across the city. But after the government made it more difficult for businesses to hire workers from abroad, he is down to 80 because he has been unable to replace the 40 employees who had to return home after the maximum work period of five years. Unable to find Malaysians willing to work as cooks, waiters or dishwashers, he is awaiting approval to employ more foreigners. But if he cannot get more workers soon, he says, he may close one of his outlets. Mr. Muneandy, an 18-year veteran of the industry, is even considering other business ventures. “To run a restaurant, it’s becoming impossible,” he said. It is not just restaurateurs complaining. Many business owners, from furniture producers to rubber glove manufacturers, say a labor shortage is harming productivity. In January, Malaysia banned the hiring of new foreign workers in the manufacturing and service sectors after a government report predicted that 45,000 people could be laid off during the Lunar New Year at the end of that month, the New Straits Times reported. “There is no valid reason to bring in foreign workers at this time,” Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar told the paper. The ban was backed by labor groups. The Malaysian Trades Union Congress proposed a freeze on the recruitment of foreign workers last October. “Because of the global economic downturn, we were worried about the impact on jobs for Malaysians as well as foreigners,” said Raja Sekaran Govindasamy, the group’s secretary general. “We don’t want workers to be brought in and abandoned, because that then causes hardship.” In 2008, there were an estimated 2.2 million foreigners — mostly from Indonesia, Bangladesh, Nepal, India, Myanmar and Vietnam — working legally in Malaysia, a nation of 28 million. Some reports suggest the country was home to another one million illegal workers. By March this year, the number of foreigners with work permits had fallen to 1.9 million, according to Shamsuddin Bardan, executive director of the Malaysian Federation of Employers. “About 300,000 permits were not renewed, and people were sent back,” he said. Malaysia recorded 31,392 layoffs from January through July, and the country’s unemployment rate rose to 4 percent in the first quarter of this year, the latest period for which figures are available. That was up from 3.1 percent in the fourth quarter of last year. Closing the doors to foreign workers is hardly a uniquely Malaysian response to the global economic downturn. Taiwan, South Korea and Australia also announced plans this year to reduce the number of new foreign worker visas, according to the International Labor Organization. But in Malaysia, the cutbacks are not simply a result of the economic crisis. The government has said it wants to reduce the number of foreign workers to 1.5 million by 2015. Some believe weaning the country off its dependency on foreign workers is crucial to increasing local wages. The average monthly wage in the manufacturing sector has risen to between 650 and 700 ringgit, or $185 to $200, in the past three months, up from 450 ringgit, the national news agency Bernama reported in August. Mr. Raja said foreign workers often accepted lower wages than Malaysians. The country has no minimum wage. Typically, foreigners are brought in by a business offering a job, he said, or by an outsourcing company that promises them work. Mr. Shamsuddin said that companies could still apply to recruit foreigners but that the process had become more difficult. For example, he said that since April 1, employers have had to advertise vacancies locally for two months, up from one month, before they could apply to recruit foreigners. And employers must now pay an annual levy — as much as 1,800 ringgit — for any new foreigners they employ, he said; the fee used to be paid by workers. Mr. Shamsuddin said the government had abandoned plans to double the levy after the federation complained. Dominant Semiconductor, a light bulb manufacturer with factories in Malaysia and China, is struggling to fill about 1,000 vacancies. Its chairman, Goh Nan Kioh, said the company was allowed to employ one foreigner for every local worker but could not find enough Malaysians to help increase its total work force. If the labor shortage continued, he said, the company might consider moving more of its labor-intensive operations to China. The rubber glove industry is also struggling to find enough workers to fill orders, which have surged with the spread of swine flu. “It’s a pity that right now when we are facing a big jump in demand, we are not getting enough workers,” said K.M. Lee, managing director of Top Glove and president of the Malaysian Rubber Glove Manufacturers’ Association. The employers interviewed said they were trying to reduce their dependency on foreign workers by exploring ways to automate and to increase pay to attract locals. However, they say that foreign workers remain crucial for now because they cannot find enough locals willing to take what some call the “three D jobs” — dangerous, difficult and dirty. “If you are going to get a Malaysian to come to work, it’s very difficult,” said Mr. Muneandy, the restaurant owner. “They feel that by working in a restaurant, their pride is in question. They feel that Malaysians have already come to a stage where they are above certain other Asian countries.” Mohamed Ariff, executive director of the Malaysian Institute of Economic Research, blames the country’s dependence on foreign labor on the decision to “open the flood gates” to migrant workers in the late 1980s, first in the plantation sector, then in manufacturing. Mr. Ariff said that in the early 1990s, when wages in the manufacturing sector were rising, factories had considered introducing labor-saving technology but that many had shelved those plans when the government let them employ more foreign workers. “The technology transfer suffered enormously,” he said. “Malaysia was trapped into an unskilled, labor-intensive economy.” Malaysia should give up its labor-intensive operations to countries with lower wages, like China, he said, and concentrate on more highly skilled work like research and development, financial and health care services. Some workers’ rights groups, though, are concerned that new restrictions on foreign laborers may result in more people migrating to countries before they obtain a valid work permit. That can leave them more vulnerable to exploitation, the International Labor Organization said. Figures released by the government last week showed that the economy had emerged from recession in the second quarter. Mr. Raja, the labor leader, said that although job losses were easing, the unions believed the freeze on foreign workers should continue. If there is a need for more workers in the coming months, he said, companies should be able to extend the visas of foreign workers already in the country. Sunil Nemdang, a 21-year-old Nepalese man, came to Malaysia in May on the belief that an agent had a job for him. He was given a work permit and told that he would work as a security guard. However, when he arrived, there was no job. With the agent still holding his passport, Mr. Sunil is sleeping on the floor of a Nepalese restaurant alongside his three cousins, who made the trip with him, while he tries to get his documents back. Despite the harsh introduction to life in Malaysia, he has not given up on his dream of earning money to send home to his parents, poor farmers living in a village in eastern Nepal. “If I get a good job, I want to work here for two or three years,” he said.

That's so sweet, the Italians give you a pat on the head and you feel like you are accepted and that they like you right. You then turn around and start doing their dirty work and insult other immigrants. Believe me when you are not around they will be saying completely different things about you. I am pretty sure this thread mentioned the U.S, and not the "west". It is talking about how many were killed by the U.S. Not all countries participated in these conficts, like the current Iraq fighting that has killed hundreds of thousands. The west needs us just as much as we need them. Don't think they are doing us any favors, just like we are not doing them any. Their population is dwindling and they need more people. They messed up Africa through so many things from slavery to colonialism. They came to us, before we came to them! Stop thinking you are special because you have a job and Italians pat you on the head and say good work boy!!

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: ^ a single bomb attack following a series of assasinations, torturing someone to death and massacre of culumo. WHAT an oasis of 'peace'?huh! Are you making stuff up now. The series of assasinations as terrible as it was targeted government officials, you are not hearing that civilians killing civilians. Puntland is at war with Al-Shaabab and these guys are targeting government officials, Al-Shaabab like the cowards they are hiding their faces and running around in the dark. Puntland is one of the most peaceful regions in Somalia. Of course there are some rotten apples from the south that want to spoil that peace. Lets be honest here, even with the trouble Puntland is facing, it is still one of the most peaceful places in Somalia. No one was tortured to death, or are you still convinced that fake picture was real? He died in custody, how do you know he was tortured?

AT, at least I can admire the fact that you don't hide your hatred for Puntland and make it quite clear what you want to happen to the state. Remember that bomb attack was a single gernade, just a single gernade attack is huge news in Puntland. Because it is an oasis of Peace that people from all over come to live(alhamdulilah).

Yes yes, Faroole is going to pay we know, just like Abdullahi Yusuf was suppose to pay right! The same stuff you are saying now, you said about Abdullahi Yusuf and you will say about any leader from Puntland. You have not seen any Somalis indicted on any war crimes, but some how you are convinced Faroole will be. :rolleyes: Are you guys honestly serious! I just starting thinking, maybe you guys are planning some kind of money scheme, where you will collect money claiming that it is for a case you have against Faroole, so you can run away with the it.

I agree! I am in sense alone. But you know people actually use to think the world was flat and attacked and mocked the person that said it was round! I am trying to wake you guys up to! You have a hatred for Puntland and it's people and you are not on the side of justice!!!!

Of course it is to you, because you want everyone to join the cause right! and not question anyhting? I want to see when these guys bring forward their case, if they will bring a similar case against Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. That will show if this is about justice or not.

You need to think outside the box and look at everything that was said! Yes he did say stop talking about Faroole, but before that he said: Farole is actually indictable. Sooner or later, he will come back to Australia when his little project comes to a halt. There are people who are working on his case and we should all volunteer to contribute to this cause. I will inshaAllah pm the contact of this group to anywhere who is interested in this and willing to volunteer. So I asked, these people working on this case, what evidence will they produce? There is absolutely nothing tangible that will even get a court date let alone be heard by any judge(s). I am saying those people working on the case are going to embarrass themselves and bring to light their tribal hatred of Puntland.

The boys from "D" will be screwed even more if a vote system came along, because they don't have the numbers to do anything significant. Didn't their parliamentarians give all their votes to President Faroole in the elections! There has been gernade attacks in Gaalkayo and problems in every city! These gernade attacks are from one source and that's Al Shaabab. Everyone knows this.

I know I don't understand! I don't harbour the hate that many of you do.

Has nothing to do with "muran aan micno ku fadhiyin" , I am simply responding to the threads that are created here. If you expect me not to question them and just follow your baseless claims, it's not going ot happen. There is a campaign to attack Puntland from those who are not from there. I am responding to that campaign. Also, I have been very polite, so I have no clue what you are talking about!

He said: There are people who are working on his case I want to know what the evidence is in this case!

You have no clue how many bogus claims where made against Col Abdullahi Yusuf, hundreds if not thousands from NW Somalis, Southerns and many others. Nothing came of any of them. Now the new person to say is committing war crimes is President Faroole. Make your cases and complaints and when they ask you for tangible proof, I want to see what you provide. Can someone explain why aren't you complaints directed towards Ethiopia who are (as you say) the masterminds behind these crimes? You say they have been shipped their and that they are the ultimate decision makers in Puntland. This has nothing to do with justice but hatred for Puntland and it's people.

There are people who are working on his case and we should all volunteer to contribute to this cause. Good luck with that, tell me how it goes. Remember the whole Abdi Qeybdiid incident, where he was arrested, but the video evidence was deemed to be heavily manipulated? He was quickly released due to a lack of evidence. Do you have any idea how hard it is to even get your case heard, let alone a conviction? You are yet to provide a single shred of evidence, except a fake picture. I don't think in all the years of Somalia's civil war has someone been convicted, because the international community knows very well that the people who are putting forward a complaint against someone are hypocrites!! Because they turn a blind eye to the exact same crimes that are being committed by the people they support.

Qaraxa ayaa waxaa la amaainsanyahay in uu yahay bamka gacanta Using your own commonsense, does one hand gernade cause a huge explosion? Sure the Somali media want to grab attention to their article so they exaggerate their head line and say "xoogan." Then again maybe I am wrong and for Puntlands peaceful standards a single gernade attack is huge.

Amin Arts knew what he was talking about

Are you capable of adding anything intelligent to a discussion or just copy and paste articles?