Come on, you can't unrecognize a country! It was formally recognized because of its importance during the cold war and even before that the french, british and italians took parts of it because of it's startegic location.

Originally posted by Qudhac: dalmar you remind of me pirateland boys such as duke few years ago who used to spoil for fight with somaliland everyday, and somaliland was pateint with them for so long until we broke their back.... now you hear hush from them... now here you are jumping up and down screaming for war, i hope once you get what you looking for you will be contempt with the result. somaliland will not start anything we just wait for someone lakiin if you think you will not go down the road puntland went then you have another thing coming. Wow now NW Somalis are taking credit for Lascaanod. I think the fact that Riyaale was chased out of there never to return is proof of how unstable the area is and his failure to do anything futher shows what power he has! It was not until Habsaade switched sides (again) and within weeks he convinced in militia men to do the same and Lascaanod went back!

Con: Recognizing Somaliland would open the door for Africa’s disintegration—it would open a can of worms. Pro: First, Somaliland does not violate the African Union A.U. charter about changes to borders. The A.U. charter states that pre-independent borders cannot be changed. Remember, Somaliland got its independence before Somalia; and Somaliland joined Somalia voluntarily. Second unlike Somaliland, Eritrea—which wasn’t even an independent country when the colonials departed—didn’t open a can of worms after it succeeded from Ethiopia. And as a new republic, Southern Sudan is about to be cantoned from the rest Sudan. Additionally, as Mrs. Edna states, “…the dissolved marriage between Senegal and Mali in 1960, Egypt and Syria in 1961, Rwanda and Burundi in 1962, Senegal and Gambia in 1968, Cape Verde and Guinea-Bissau in 1975…” did not open a can of worms. http://tinyurl.com/2g64wy So why would Somaliland be an exception? Clearly, there isn’t a shred of evidence that indicates recognising Somaliland would further dismantle Africa into smaller states. The nations that Mr.Dalmar Kaahin mentioned that gained independence are actually examples of why poor nations should not be given independence! Mali is considered one of the poorest countries in the world; Guinea-Bissau's per-capita gross domestic product is one of the lowest in the world. About a third of Gambia's population lives below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day. We all know what happened in Rwanda! So as you can see the international community is reluctant to give anymore poor African enclaves independence because doing so will almost immediately result in them knocking on their door and begging for money! NW Somalia has a huge drug problem and is dependent on foreign aid and remittance from the Diaspora. That's why no nation is willing to recognize it. Those other poor African countries are example of the problems that will cause. It's obvious to all that the only reason South Sudan is of such great interest is because of its oil wealth. There are many countries that have a substantial economic interest in seeing them break away from Northern Sudan. Do you think if South Sudan was not rich in oil we would be hearing about their referendum for independence or the war crimes in Darfur? Of course not the conflict would have been ignored like so many other African ones. The key is that there is no economic interest in recognizing NW Somalia, if they had proven oil reserves like South Sudan (Arab states) or rich in other resources, it would be a completely different story! But since they do not, the rest of the world has no time to recognize an enclave that has nothing to offer it in return. Djibouti has proven to be useful as a strategic military base, so NW Somalia wouldn’t be needed.

Wow, one of the fakest pics i've seen in a long time!

Almost as bad as Af-nugaal!

Xaji when I read the title I thought it was one of your posts.

Horseednet As Somalis we find it hard to deal with human rights violations committed during military regime (1969-1991) because we seldom pay attention to human rights violations in Somalia after the military regime was ousted in January 1991. We associate human rights violations only with state actors in pre-1991 Somalia. The Center for Justice and Accountability and the Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, LLP, filed case against Colonel Abdi Adan Magan and on behalf of “former law professor and human rights attorney Abukar Hassan Ahmed” Abukar alleges NSS officers arrested [him] “under Magan’s command… and confiscated the copy of an Amnesty International report he was carrying and transported him to the NSS Department of Investigations in the unventilated basement of NSS Headquarters. He was held in solitary confinement in a small, windowless cell and his left wrist was tightly handcuffed to his right leg for twenty-four hours a day, except during interrogations. The NSS officers first accused him of being a writer for Amnesty International and threatened to kill him if he did not confess.” The NSS was notorious for human rights violations but calling it a Gestapo is a slur to the holocaust victims, survivors and their families. The NSS was a security apparatus set up by a military regime that despised Hitler and all he stood for. The case (Ahmed v. Magan) illustrates how some Somalis ignore the ‘forget and forgive’ principle on which all Somali reconciliation conferences are based. In 2000 Djibouti sponsored a reconciliation conference remembered for adding to the Somali political discourse the phrase “Xaq ma doonayno; xal baan doonaynaa” (we are not after compensation/ reparation but we are after solution.”) Abdiqasim Salad Hassan , Interior Minister of the last, pre-1991 Somali government formed in 1990, was elect a president of the Transitional National Government , the outcome of Djibouti-sponsored reconciliation conference in 2000. If any member of the former Somalia’s military regime can be held responsible for human rights violations, then almost all the founders and leaders of Somalia’s opposition forces can be brought to book for human rights violations in post-1990 Somalia: the USC leaders and the members of the USC-installed interim government did not intervene in 1990s when thousands of their compatriots were being massacred in Mogadishu and other southern towns. In a case summary posted on CJA website, Colonel Magan is identified as belonging “to the same favored ******* sub-clan as Si[y]ad Barré.” Not every ******* member on was “ favored” person under a Siyad Barre government. Many ******* sub-clan members were massacred after the military regime was ousted by armed opposition groups for belonging to the same sub-clan as Siyad Barre. If Magan detained and mistreated Mr Abukar in the capacity of an officer in Somalia’s former NSS, why make mention of his sub-clan name and shared genealogy with Siyad Barre? CJA case summary implies that all members of ******* sub-clan perpetrated human rights violations against their compatriots when Siyad Barre ruled Somalia. Some of those who directed and incited clan hatreds that led to massacres after the ouster of Siyad Barre regime now live in Europe and north America and enjoy the principle of forget and forgive to which many clans and sub-clans as the ******* subscribe. Through reconciliation, clans ended hostilities in Somaliland. The Somaliland president Dahir Riyale Kahin , and the Interior Minister Abdirahman Mohamed Irro, were top officers of the National Security Service, so was the head of the Transitional Federal Government’s Office of Immigration and Passports General Cabdullahi Gaafow Maxmuud. Ahmed v. Magan is a human rights case but has all the hallmarks of witch-hunt manifested in associating Somalia’s former National Security Service with Hitler’s Gestapo—Somalia is not a nation of Nazi sympathizers— and the use of a clan name to imply the late Siyad Barre’s sub-clan perpetrated human rights violations.

African bro, no one has ever been proven, not a single person! No warlords, rebels or former regime members. Even Morgan has never been proven, their are acquisitions against many people! However Riyaale worked for the NSS and Siad's regime! Yet now he is your leader??

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Ahhh Someone is mad ................. blame your adeeros sxb ... they the ones committed the crime What about Riyaale who was working for that regime in the same area and the same time that this happened? You seem to ignore Riyaale involvement because you know you can't justify it! The fact that he was named president has completely taking away the argument that you try and use about war crimes as a reason for breaking away! In any other civil war traitors or people that fought on the other side would never be named leader!!! Only in Somalia Whether there is proof or not, he was under their pay roll.....and he work for this regime that you say abused you, but than he gets voted in!

Sacad Ducaale, see Karzai in Afghanistan controls nothing and is dependent on on Nato Forces, however regardless of what you control, what makes a country is recognition. Because like I said criminal organizations can control a territory and take taxes, warlords do it all the time, they can even put uniforms on their guys, print their own currency. All that doesn't mean you are a country! Recognition and only recognition determines who are countries and who are fakes! Sharif may have nothing but with recognition he is the offical leader of Mogadishu, Bosasso and Hargeysa!

Originally posted by Sacad *Ducaale: Thankul, whatever the case puntland and somaliland are two places not 1 as you like to potray it. It is one place, 'Somalia'. To be a country you must have recognition, there are drug cartels and fake nations all over the world that control territory and have a leadership in place. But all that means nothing with out being formally recongized by the international community! Something your enclave has been unable to get from even 1 single country in the world. The world recognizes 1 Somalia! Look at the pics with Gordon Brown and Sharif, or Obama and Jangeli. Even before that Abdullahi Yusuf in China and Germany etc etc.... You cannot be a nation without other countries recognizing you!

Originally posted by Sacad *Ducaale: Suldaanka, lol, it doesn't even make sense what has pirateland got to do with Erigavo when it said this, i guess sanaagpost became the second website of April fools next to the NO1 April fools website jidbaale. What do you mean, it's all one country -'Somalia', according to the entire world! Sure we have tribal enclaves here and there, but internationally, puntland and erigavo are in the same country.

so should Riyaale next time he visits!

We have pics of him leaving, no lets see if there are any pics of him landing in these places and who he meets.

Originally posted by AYOUB: quote:Originally posted by General Duke: Is this even a true story? This is GalgalaNews' take on it. AUN the victim. Sacad *Ducaale Easy on Thankful. He knows and acknowledges that Faroole is a dodgy geezer. Gari Ilaah bay taqaan yaa sahbi. The cyber pirates and the cartels shareholders on the hand.. Now you need to admit that Riyaale was employeed by a murderous service!! You take two completely different articles that are saying two different things and try to connect them. Now that's what I call spinning! Do you actually think people wont read the two articles?

Masha'Allah Gaaroodi ignore Xaji Xunjuf

I think if you look at my posts you'll see that I have been! You however should do the same with Riyaale, but instead he has been forgiven without being investigated after he worked for a service that massacred tens of thousands throughout the country. Sacad Ducaale, NW Somalis are in no position to talk about Faroole's past, with Riyaale as your enclaves leader.

I've said it before many times. Riyaale worked for the NSS in the same region that experience many war crimes! He needs to be investigated, which he never was! You are in no position to comment on Faroole and when he worked as a taxi driver, when Riyaale is the leader of your enclave. I believe Faroole should be investigated no doubt, there is strong evidence, but it has not been proven. Same goes for Riyaale, the fact he worked for the NSS says a lot!

I'm just saying that his past is more questionable than Faroole's! Taxi cab driver is an honest living. Working for the NSS in any capacity is not!

Sacad *Ducaale, You'd rather have a man that was an employee of a murderous intelligence service?

Amistad, You may have seen this article, but just in case you didn't here you go! It was in a Canadian magazine back in (Jan 2009) and talked about Somcan and it's leader! Macleans

London is not Somaliland, you have to look at ancestry and historical facts and it is obviously not Somaliland. Djibouti, Area's in Kenya, Ethiopia and all the other places you mentioned are all Somali land! Ethnic Somalis inhabited that land long before imperialists made their own borders there, which they referred to all of it as Somaliland! The only thing different was whether it was being controlled by the Brits or Italians! The Middle East is Arab land or Arabian Peninsula The point of all this is that Mogadishu, Bosasso, Hargeysa were all referred to by imperialists as Somaliland at one point! They just put their name before it i.e. (British) or (Italian) Somaliland.

Why don't you contact the Puntland government through their website? They will be able to get you Abdiweli Taar who is head of Somcan's contact info!

you can't dispute it either! Italian Somaliland, British Somaliland....everywhere is Somaliland!

lol, ok . The people of Puntland are Somali and it is their land. Therefore it's Somali land.