Ngonge, I have already discussed with you the difference between Diaspora and the Radical Diaspora. So I will repeat myself quickly! The Diaspora is very important in rebuilding out nation and helping the people back home. The radical Diaspora wants to cause clan war and violence. They use their websites to fabricate news. Did you not see what Duke pointed out in discrepancies with the date?? Do you actually believe this communiqué was done on August 20th? The facts on the ground show one thing, that Ilka-Jiir is the one leading the attack, along with the Vice President! Also, that Atam was chased out in 1 day and his base was toured by the government right after, yet the radical Diaspora still says this is a clan war! How can it possible be, when the most influential politician from their region is on the government’s side? Would it have been that easy for the government if the clan of those areas were against it? Well according to the Radical Diaspora it is clan vs. clan! This is why these men are radical Diaspora! They don’t mind igniting this into a clan war even though the tribe there has done nothing to the government when it attacked Atam, they don’t care because this Radical Diaspora is not in harms way they will be safe from the aftermath of conflict. You are secessionists who tried to defend Atam's paltalk speech with an absurd theory on what he meant. The Radical Diaspora makes up lies and fake news, but when you read their nonsense you will easily find their story doesn't add up! They can't support it with any evidence, like audio tapes! What does your common sense tell you about this communiqué, was it actually just release yesterday out of the blue? Why didn't we hear about these meetings for sometime? The radical diaspora thought of making up news about a communiqué from the elders, calling on Puntland to leave! They will continue to make this stuff up, and posting it on Dhahar, SPR and other radical Diaspora sites! The bottom line is that the Radical Diaspora and their websites are reporting things that anyone with common sense could see is not true! This is not a clan war! But then again that will help your cause if it was one, so your militia could take advantage of it.

I believe the site that produced it, puts its own spin. Regardless, we will see what happens! They have Atam and Puntland has Ilka-Jiir. We will see who has more influence. So far we know who does!

Nassir, I thought you were genuinely sincere when you spoke about peace and the development of Puntland. I see that maybe it may have been all talk. It’s quite sad because I thought we had made progress. You can have Diaspora sites like Dhahar and SPR write as much news as they want; the facts on the ground say another thing. The milita that are in these areas are led by the most influential politician from E.Sanaag and Western Bari. He has freely come into the area with full support from the elders. It is Atam that must hide and can find to refuge. To be honest with you, Atam and the whole Gagala issue is becoming old news. The man has been forced to retreat and it has been shown that he has little power, the people and elders of these area's could have ensured his protection and the Government would not have been able to do anything. As long as Puntland has Ilka-Jiir on their side, the government will be welcomed in these area's, you will see! This "communique" coming weeks after the fact seems to be another desperate attempt by the Diaspora to save face!

Originally posted by The Zack: quote:Originally posted by Thankful: JB, keep posting your articles with the majority having no source or even title! We know whenever you do that, it's because the source doesn't exist or is not reliable! Waryaa you are very obsessed with the "source" thing ma is tiri? All Somali websites are clan sites so no site is holier than others ee warka iska akhriso. You sound like my high school writting teacher, "And where is your source, Kid?" was one of his favorite questions. It is just opinionated news and nothing else. What your highschool teacher said should have stuck with you! Because if it did, you would understand why I wanted it. I agree many sites have their Biases. But some are worst then others, we both know it. Anyways, just look at JB's posts, many dont even have a title.

we love the updates, just want to know who are they from?

It's unbelievable! Who actually posts a few paragraphs from an article with no title or source to go with it? He wants to bash Puntland and make comments that Faroole can't finish a war, but the evidence he has to support this he refuses to show. But it's JB and he will never change, I don't expect him to start now.

Again I ask you - why don't you like providing the source of the stuff you are posting? What are you hiding?

Its about Puntland so it concerns me. Is it that difficult for you to simply provide a source? Posting a couple paragraphs is weird. Why don't you want to, can you answer that?

My and everyone else's posts always have the source and title with a link. You want to hide yours! We know you do this because it is unreliable (I.e. a site that never writes positive stuff with the bad) and sometimes your news is made up. Start providing a source please!

JB, keep posting your articles with the majority having no source or even title! We know whenever you do that, it's because the source doesn't exist or is not reliable!

What you guys living abroad who probably have never visited these areas don’t realize is that you are playing right into Faroole's hands! From the beginning Faroole's presidency started off as shaky, with murders of officials and other prominent people, things looked grim. Then a damning UN Report which directly brought clear evidence of him and his minister’s involvement in criminal activity was released. The problems didn't end there, as many criticized (Xudeedi was not one of them and remained silent until last month), the president’s son's close involvement in Puntland's politics, in which he named him as his official media advisor. Many started wondering as the Presidents 2nd anniversary in power was approaching, what the next two years would be like. Just a few months ago some of his closest supporters were beginning to grow frustrated with the lack of development. Pointing to the lack of any infrastructure or promises such as the development of political parties developing. The problems kept mounting from outrage at his stance on the SSC in Sool to piracy in the Gulf of Aden. In simplest terms, Faroole was in deep trouble. Then the battle took place in Gagala, in which the leader “Atam” said in clear words that he felt an internationally recognize terrorist group was his brothers and that we are them and they are us. This decisive battle has changed many people. There is no doubt Faroole has demonstrated very good leadership. He was able to dispatch his Vice-President and Interior Minister who both hail from Sool and Sanaag respectively to lead the military assault on Atam. By doing this, he was able to take away Atam's ability to make this into a clan vs. clan issue. As well, Faroole was able to quickly make Atam retreat while staying Garowe. This in my opinion shows Faroole's power, because he was able to do this through his networks and relations with elders. It is truly quite impressive. So to end, what you guys don't realize and have little sympathy for the deaths you so easily talk about in Bosasso (I suspects this is because you are not living back home). Is that Atam's has given Faroole's admin new life and momentum. He strongest critics are now praising him for how he was able to cut Atam's allies and defeat him, the critics are no longer focusing on the problems facing the state. From what I hear, even foreign governments are taking notice to what is going on. Faroole was in deep trouble and his government looked weak, but his defeat of Atam has changed many opinions. Atam and his audio statement aligning with Al Shabaab, and Faroole’s handling of this situation has arguably saved his admin!

Xudeedi with all due respect - you are a secessionist! I will not let the messy, virus plagued dhahar.com throw me off. They want to make up news that Atam took over Gagala and then retreated right after. Yeah right!! But then again, at least the radical Diaspora admits the man cannot hold any ground and it proves he has no support of the locals, because if he did like back in 2006, he would not have to run from Puntland forces right now.

See, this is just a game for you. But I am certain if you were back home you would not be hoping for conflict like you are now and would not be smiling.

Originally posted by Xudeedi: ^Thankful "The people their"? Are you referring to "there"? That’s as absurd as stating that the people in Garowe have refused to give Faroole a home. We know what’s agitating you. Yours are personnel, in reference to the misfortunes you inherited in Majiyahan. Adeer your sensitivity is bothering me; this is a war so get off your comfort “boowe” zone. The SSDF clan has invaded Makhiri country and its every Makhiri’s duty to defend their motherland. You of all people are going to start correcting grammar mistakes? First off when you say "Yours are personnel." You mean Personal?? Meaning "relating to, directed to, or intended for a particular person: a personal favor; one's personal life; a letter marked “Personal.” Another definition is "of or pertaining to a person, or belonging to a person in some way". The Personnel you used is wrong, because it refers to "a body of persons employed in an organization or place of work." For instance, "Troop Personnel”. Also, when you said "The people their"? If you are going to quote me make sure the punctuation mark (in this case the question mark) is within the quotations. I.E. "The people their?" True story, I actually received a bad mark on a 1st year philosophy paper because I made that mistake. Xudeedi, if you want to start correcting people’s grammar because your clan war is not materializing, at least make sure your grammar is correct. We all make mistakes so there is no need in pointing it out. I apologize if you feel like you are being ganged up on and need to resort to these childish tactics, but supporting Atam cannot be justified.

Originally posted by Xudeedi: Atam did take over Galgala last night and retreated this morning. Post the other news on those sites that you purposely hid. LOOOOOOOL, , Do you actually believe the stuff you write? Wow, you are worse then I thought!

Originally posted by Xudeedi: Duke, you’re an aged fuming fool who fell victim to clan illness. The fact that you have to create numerous characters to reveal unnecessary information on a public forum shows me how you weak you are. Xudeedi as well can spell out who you are, but the fact that you’re insignificant tells me otherwise. Dhahar.com and Makhiri outlets work for the people they serve and their purpose is to convey news information to the world, with respect to the community’s interest. Stop foaming from your mouth and stick to your guns. Nobody asks you why your clan sites support your clan fiefdom, it’s illogical. Whereas you act so feminine with your cheap name-calling and envy-like attitude. Your supporting your clan, nobody is asking why, its illogical knowing the clan you come from. I’m supporting my clan so stop asking me why? Adeer you have no moral values so stop begging and stick to yours. Thanksful; I see you’re a disappointed fan of dhahar.com and other makhiri media outlets. Stop complaining and write your concerns to them. What more can I expect from our good old Caddes next to kin. Where is Ngonge??? This is why we refer to individuals like this as Radical Diaspora!!! The only reason he talks about supporting tribe and war, is specifically because he is no where near any of the consequences if any of it happened. The people in Somalia would never be this gung ho about making this into a tribal war. They know they have too much to lose, and at the end of the day they are all brothers and sisters. Yet, it is a small number of the Diaspora who thinks they are tough by making this into something bigger then it is. The people their have refused to give Atam a home and have allowed Puntland troops to conduct military operations to kick him out of their area's. Xudeedi, I would say that you need help, but I can clearly see that this is a game for you. I have a suspicion that you have always been a masquerading secessionist. You are just too anxious to see a war develop for you to be a person that is from Maakhir.

Nassir, I 100% agree! I believe all our attention should be focused towards the goals that you mentioned. All of us have almost no difference between each other and if there are any they can be worked out through dialogue!

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: I thought the Minister was attacked and chased by the locals in Dhahar not those sitting in the west ..... According to SPR? See in our news reports we proved pics of our government officials touring era's they captured. Our news stories include clear pictures. SPR just says and writes what they want.

The radical Diaspora mouth piece of Somali Public Radio. It's sad they are so motivated to instigate further conflict knowing they will not be harmed.

This best thing Xudeedi can come back with is accusing the people he is debating with of being the same person. You are full of never ending contradictions. If Horseednet is a clan website, then why was one of its reporters arrested for interviewing Atam? The reporter gave Atam a forum to say his side of the story and for that he received a 6 year prison sentence. But it's a clan website?? It’s quite sad you are living in a country outside of Somalia and yet you still have this obsession with tribes. Were people displaced? Definitely, this happens in all conflicts. Now were 25,000 people displaced? I think it is highly unlikely? Also, if this is over resources and land, then why did Atam get his base taken so quickly? Could the government have done that without local support? The 60+ towns and villages in Western Bari refuse to give Atam sanctuary and he is forced to live in the mountains.

Faroole is in Garowe and has never stepped foot in West Bari or Eastern Sanaag.In fact one of the top government officials leading this attack on Atam/Al-Shabaab is a man who is from Eastern Sanaag - Interior Minister Ilka-Jiir. Who is a former presidential candidate who came in second place in the 2009 elections and was representing Eastern Sanaag and West Bari. If human rights abuses are occurring, the people of these areas would have attacked those responsible. Yet it is Atam/Al Shabaab who is hiding in the mountains and lost ground and it's the Puntland government with support from the people of these areas’s who has taken Atam's land. If the clan and people are against Puntland, why is Atam being chased into the mountains?

Militants loyal to warlord Mohamed Said Atom have repeatedly fought against government forces in recent weeks, and Atom told a local radio station that his men have retreated to their mountain hideout in Gal Gala to plan guerrilla attacks. Government forces recently drove through the desert toward Gal Gala in pickup trucks mounted with machine guns. I can't believe Puntland is that strong that they chased Atom deep into the mountains and he must resort to guerrilla warfare because he is unable to conduct a conventional attack. If Atam had the clans backing, this would never have happened, it is further proof who side the people of this region is on. Puntland is a very weak administration and if it loses the military initiative, there is a strong fear that it will have a southern-like scenario," said Rashid Abdi, a Somali expert with the International Crisis Group. He said Puntland forces are better organized than government troops in Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, but can't withstand a determined insurgency without help. Rashid Abdi is the man working for the International Crisis Group who said Puntland is very weak, he is a man that was deported out of the country a fews years back for his bias reporting. Atom's Warsengali clan cited that lack of consultation between government and clans when they took arms up against security forces in 2006. The clan objected to a plan to conduct surveys in the mineral-rich area of Gal Gala. Stop bolding a few sentences here and there. Because you neglected to say that Clan was upset of consultations back in 2006....well this is 2010, 4 years later and Atam has no clan support. Which is why he is retreating in this battle unlike 2006! Bravo Puntland, keep up the good work.

Originally posted by Nassir: East Bari LOL . Yet the same individual takes offense to Eastern Sanaag.

When will E.Sanaag and W.Bari's Diaspora get in line with the people back home? No one is attacking the Puntland government led by Ilka-Jiir in this assault on Atam and his men. The man is on the run and within a day his base was taken over and the Puntland VP and Interior Minister was touring it. Where are the people of these areas? Why aren't they defending Atam or resources? Use your Diaspora resources to benefit your people and not to try and ignite them into a bloody conflict where you will be completely safe! No one in these area's support Atam, the fact he is retreating from Puntland's Army is clear proof!! The man made an audio tape and called a terrorist organizations his brothers and that we are them and they are us!....People turned their back on him after this, and hopefully your Diaspora will do the same.

Why do I even bother with you??? It's pointless, you make a claim, which never has anything evidence to support it. I clearly show your claim is nonsense. Then you back track! The Ethiopians are suspicious of them and had engaged in a fire fight with this group, this started apparently after they inspected trucks going in and out of buhoodle. Your government says the SSC is sympathizers and backed by Al Shabaab. But Oodweyne knows the truth from his home in the UK. Ridiculous!!! Because whether your government is making the SSC/Al Shabaab link up. They should do something about it. If they are as powerful as you say they are! Regardless it's pointless with you! But next time don't comment on how Al Shabaab can't get a foot hold on land that you claim as yours, like it happens in the South and Puntland. Just remember what your government says about the SSC and it's record in dealing with them.