Governor Siilaanyo and Governor Palin when they went to Kuwait President Abdullahi Yusuf and President Bush when they went to Kuwait Can you tell the difference in reception??

Ok, (Even though technically the Queen of England is the Head of state in Canada) I guess the The Somalia National Congress President Ahmed Hussen is also a foreign leader since he met the Canadian Prime Minister in his office and had a meeting right? (Anyone can meet and world leader in their office, it's the flag that signifies head's of state and other leaders!)

Lol, no actually I am not, just been busy. I thought some were saying "Head of States meet each other" ............. where are they hiding now ? Actually the Emir of Kuwait is not meeting a head of state or even someone he recognizes as a leader of a country. If he did you would see a flag behind them. (Even Ethiopia or Djibouti don’t) If you notice your enclave developed a so-called flag, where is it in any pics? The flag signifies two leaders representing their countries. There is a specific reason why no flags are present in this meeting.....you and I both know that! I admit for Kuwait they see business opportunities in Somalia, so many of our imports from cars to drinks comes from the UAE, they make a fortune off of the livestock quarantine. I mean we just import and there is barely any bilateral trading going on. I suspect that Kuwait wants to tap into Somalia's market. But this meeting is not between heads of state! Obama meets thousands of people in his office, but the flag is what differentiates guests and leaders. Same leader, see the difference!

The Zack;715256 wrote: Saalax, warkan aad soo dhajineyso marba ma wariyenimo umbey kaa tahay mise dhibaatada gaalkacayo ka socoto baad ku yara faraxsan tahay? He definitely gets happy! You can just tell, because when NW Somalia has internal problems, and make ridiculous cover-up stories like the former finance ministers house being attacked was over a money debt between one of his guards and a cousin, or another attack was a gun that went off accidently, or my all-time favorite the mad man did it! Basically you wont see Salaax and co investigating the truth behind these ridiculous cover-ups, just gets swept under the rug. They thrive over negative news from other parts! But then ignore facts like Faroole travelling yesterday to Qardho covered more distance then Siilaanyo travelled ever in his enclave!

This is excellent news! We need this to occur all over Somalia! I believe that once each community focuses on their own area's we will be able to unite as a stronger force. I am hoping this occurs in more areas! If you look at Puntland or NW Somalia both have had a degree of stability despite having a weak Federal Gov't in Mogadishu. I believe other communities need to follow the same example. Great News.

Wish I understood you!

AfricaOwn;714637 wrote: Why do you think they'll crawl back? I wouldn't say crawl back, because that's a bit insulting. The current Vice-President of Puntland is from Sool. I believe for Puntlands meager resources it has been very good to Sool. More importantly no matter what the SSC might say, there is a group there that is loyal to secessionism. Lascaanood is a city that is divided, they can blame Puntland all they want for doing this and that, but at the end of the day they need to get their house in order through unity! How can Xabsaade decided where Lascaanood goes?

Seeing Somalia's flag is amazing. From Buhoodle all the way to South Africa's World Cup, thanks to K'naan! I hope Ras Casayr and many more area's follow the same path as this will help us. The issue is with secessionism that is it! Awdal State are unionists! They want no part of the triangle admin. Ras Casayr, Maakhir and other are delusional about breaking away without the possibility of recognition. Well Done.

I think for Puntland as long as the SSC or Maakhir remain part of Somalia we will be totally supportive of decisions like this. (In my own opinion and observations by Puntlands actions). With this being said, I do believe that Dr Saleebaan Ciise Axmed and the SSC will more than likely come back to Puntland like Maakhir did when Puntland election times rolls around. Nonetheless, I believe that if each community pays close attention to issues facing them it will be beneficial to Somalia's development.

http://somalilandpress.com/the-night-snm-fighters-came-to-hargeisa-18537 From the early morning of the 31st May 1988, when SNM fighters milled into the northern parts of Hargeisa other than the early skirmishes the military authorities did not do much to spoil the homecoming of SNM fighters. Soon, the fighters who embedded themselves with different families in the northern and eastern parts of the city began to send messages to one another to decide on how to conduct their war of attrition with the government. Even though skirmishes were aplenty for the first few days the government authorities argued over how best to dislodge the fighters who embedded themselves among the civilian population. War Crimes!!!

http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=51&ReportId=71942 In-depth: A Decent Burial - Somalis yearn for justice SOMALIA: Interview: Abdirahman Awale and Muhammad Hashi of the SNM Photo: IRIN Abdirahman Awale NAIROBI, 1 May 2001 (IRIN In-Depth) - Unilateral independence in Somaliland, northwestern Somalia, was declared by the victorious Somali National Movement (SNM) on 18 May 1991. Hundreds of thousands of Somalilanders had been displaced across the borders at the height of the 1988-1991 civil war [see Somalia: A government at war against its own people, Human Rights Watch 1991]. Abdirahman Awale and Muhammad Hashi of the SNM leadership told IRIN in an interview that atrocities committed under the former regime were a primary reason for secession. They rejected the recently-established TransitionalNational Government in Mogadishu, elected in 2000 in Djibouti-hosted peace talks, because it includes "known war criminals." Now functioning as an opposition group in Somaliland, the SNM members criticised both the international community and Somaliland President Muhammad Ibrahim Egal for failing to investigate alleged war crimes and mass graves. Photo: IRIN Muhammad Hashi QUESTION: What, to you, is the significance of the new authority in Mogadishu? ANSWER: [Hashi] ... The Djibouti [hosted peace] conference didn't give due respect to the existing administrations - to either the Somaliland government or to Puntland. Somalilanders feel the Arta conference is another way of inviting the Siyad Barre regime [back]... It's the Siyad Barre regime without Siyad Barre, as far as we are concerned. They are the perpetrators of the genocide that has taken place. *We have more than 100 mass graves in Hargeysa, Zeila, Gebile, Berbera, Hadwein, Burao, Kalcher, Erigavo, and Siyad Barre's group was responsible. And [Prime Minister] Ali Khalif announced his government on 21 October, which commemorates the revolution of Siyad Barre [of 21 October 1969]! That is no coincidence. It is a way of telling us: We are here again. Q: You say the mass graves are very important, yet there is a real slowness in Somaliland to investigate properly. Why? A: [Hashi] The [somaliland] government is dragging its feet about bringing up those issues which caused the seccession, and also the United Nations... The international community has formed war tribunals for cases in Rwanda, Burundi, Kosovo, and investigations have been conducted. Why is it different in Somaliland? Why is it being neglected? Why is the international community closing its eyes to what happened here? To reconcile the Somali differences - Kofi Annan drags his feet, the OAU is silent, the Arab League is ignoring it. Even when the genocide was taking place, the international community was silent, the UN was silent.... But we really don't care. We are in our land and we will never, never be back to that unity. Q: But surely one of the reasons you would want the mass graves investigated is to get justice in order for people to be reconciled with the past? A: [Awale] To be reconciled with the past, and at the same time convince the international community that our secession is based on atrocities that took place. They have to consider that. We united with [southern Somalia] not through compulsion, but of our own accord. For 30 years we suffered such atrocities, so we established our state again - Somaliland. So we are showing the international community the reason why we chose secession. We want to convince them. Q: Is there also reluctance over investigating these mass graves because there are some people Somaliland also responsible? A: [Hashi] It could be said so, yes, because there are some elements of the Siyad Barre regime in the government who should not have been, really. [Awale] ... That point is valid, but I don't think it is the reason. Some were either ministers or civil servants in Siyad Barre's government, but they were not effective. That is not the point as to why the [somaliland] government is slow to deal with these mass graves. The main reason is that Egal is concerned with not telling the international community the truth of what has happened here. Q: How will you deal with Somalilanders who are known to be part of that former system, or responsible for mass killings? A: [Awale] It's quite clear; just investigations, not revenge, should be followed up. They will be taken to court. Not necessarily Siyad Barre's colleagues only [but] anyone who has taken part. They will be taken to court, and there should be justice. [Hashi] Whether he is a Somalilander himself or whether he is somebody else.

Xaaji why does the video just cut out at the end? Is it because they were going to start to talk about the war crimes the SNM committed, like using people has human shields and executing civilians from other area's? The video is heavily doctored evidence being how it just cuts out and how the subtitles call the ambassador a "war criminal". Like it has been said no one in NW Somalia is going after Morgan or any of the other s0-called "war criminals" because they know some will be brought up as well.

AfricaOwn;714232 wrote: Aside from the pic you have saved in hard-drive? Ps. Anticipating the May 18th events? What's happening on May 18th?

Because first you work on gathering mass support from everywhere through events likes this that will unify and change the minds of those that may support the secessionists agenda. After you have formed a solid base, then you address the issues facing the community you seek to help. It's amazing to witness the SSC's formation and how it is growing to a world wide movement! It is becoming a force!

Masha'Allah The flag was first seen in the streets of Borama!

Ok fair enough, atleast wait until after 24 hours to ask. Physical evidence, witness statments need to be taken and sorted out. Especially because there is the death penalty you dont want to jump to quick conclusions. It is no doubt a very complicated investigation where attacks like this are taking place all over Somalia - Hargeysa, Lascaanood, Bosasso, Gaalkayo. It seems the closer the town is to Al Shabaab strong holds, the more attacks there are. We will need to be united if we intend to defeat these criminals.

Xaaji Xunjuf;714157 wrote: This is the second clan elder with in this month gunned down in bosaaso who is killing all these elders? Well this question sure seems like you are asking people on the forum for their opinion. Who is the question directed to? And nobody has the facts! We are not going to blame this on "the mad man" or claim that we captured the people the same night it happened. Even developed countries don't finish investigations that quickly. Like Salaax said, I think they are accusing Al-Shabaab, who are obviously the biggest suspects.

Xaaji, You asked who is killing all the elders and I gave you an opinion. I doubt anyone really knows because of the nature of the hit and run tactics. I would guess this is a coordinated effort and that the Gaalkayo (being to closest), Lascaanood and Hargeysa attacks might be related and a group is targeting Northern Somalia. Who know's, one thing is certain whoever's doing this are cowards.

AUN Xaaji Xunjuf;714157 wrote: This is the second clan elder with in this month gunned down in bosaaso who is killing all these elders? Probably the same group that threw grenades in Hargeysa and Lascaanood a few weeks ago.

I have always respected the NW Somalia's reluctance to ever admit anything negative no matter how obvious it is. I believe it has worked to your advantage, if you Foreign Minister tells a bull face lie (Edna) about travelling with a passport or the new guy about who he met on trips, you NW Somalis will remain silent. Leaders travel after they win (s)elections, Siilaanyo no longer does! And now requires huge security in Hargeysa. What he was before being your s0-called president is different now! He can no longer move around anywhere the same! I have no idea why you choose to continue, I am simply saying that you can't comment on where Faroole travels when Siilaanyo travels less! That's it!

Ok, but when he tried this in Lascaanod, we know the rest! Faroole and Siilaanyo the fact remains Faroole has travelled more!

Look you want to bring up piracy, you can! Whatever you enclave has done better at, feel free. But, you can't mention where Faroole can and can't travel, when Siilaanyo has covered significantly less distance in his almost year in power!

Riyaale was certain he was in control of Lascaanood or he wouldnt have tried to visit. Upon entering the city he quickly realize he wasn't and left the same day never to return again!

He's not in control until he visits those places you listed! If he needs that much militia to visit a hospital in Hargeysa, he will never travel outside of the triangle! So anyways, my basic point is, dont comment on where Faroole can travel, when Siilaanyo has travelled even less.

We are talking about one leader and another? Who has visited more? We know that your former so-called vice-president visited Lascaanod, but when the top leader Riyaale tried he was attacked and chased out. When a leader goes somewhere that is a clear sign of who is in control. Siilaanyo has gone nowhere outside of the triangle, he needs massive militia to visit places in Hargeysa! Ministers and vice-presidents are not seen has threats! But regardless of this, you NW Somali's need to realize that if you want to say something negative about Faroole (i.e. like his lack of travel) make sure at least that it is something that Siilaanyo has done even worse at. Stick to stuff Siilaanyo is better at ; if you can find anything!