Africanown Your leader has blood on his hands and use to head a NSS which was known for is brutality, against innocent people. It seems others in your tribal state are starting to become fed up with this. They know Riyaale won't step down, they know that the democracy you used to speak so highly of is no more. Now, in Puntland things are far from perfect, piracy is a big problem, among other things, however our leaders have no bloood on their hands. Read the article careful, not all are as blind as the S/land posse on SOL.

Hey, this is a Somalilander writing this not me. And Pirates although a disgusting criminal act that must be dealt with, have never harmed anyone are still not comparable to someone who is a tortured and murder like your elected leader is, according to your citizens. Who also point out that your government is made up of mostly people from the former regime that you claimed committed ethnic cleansing. Not my words! So you may call us Pirate land, accuse our leader of being involved with them. However President Faroole has NO BLOOD ON HIS HANDS, unlike yours who once again according to this article has lot of blood on his hands. But then I guess you should be refered to as GenocideLand? or TotureLand? Since your citizens admit your leader was involved in it.

And, therefore, when you were called on that sheer delusion, like so much of a sniffling opportunist that you are, you merely seemed to change the tenor of this discussion into what it was never to begin with. Ok, I exposed you because you were talking like you were waiting for war in 2006, that you army will fight against the south and other nonesense and I simply said don't speak of war while you sit in your foreign land. Simply as that, you mentioning war in any context is unacceptable unless you are actually on the ground defending your land! Nothing personal, I just don't like the talk of war and after my many trips back home neither do those living there. It is only a small number in diaspora, (you included) that talk about it. But I know, just like all Puntlanders we dont get it, but you of course get it all!

Somaliland.org A ( Somaliland) country betrayed! By Ibrahim Meadd May 18th, 2009 Ibrahim Mead Political Analyst A ( Somaliland) country betrayed! Prologue: This is an out line in a summery fashion of our contemporary political history that we must refresh our memory to remember, and those of us who may not know must know. It is about the people who happened to run our affairs in a point of time in our political existence with or with out our consent or satisfaction. It is about those who ran or run as an opposition force as to run our affairs later! In other words, it is about the leaders who led or want to lead Somaliland from 1960 up to present. It is about the people who either intentionally with a premeditated intent to harm Somaliland and those who inadvertently unintentionally harmed or hurt Somaliland but after all hurt the Mother! Introduction: Somaliland never had the luck to have a real leader or leaders in her political live! Let alone a real leader, Somaliland never had an honest, God fearing leader in her existence as far as her political life is concerned, however some were/ are worst than others! This Para-normal entity of no conscience and no moral fabric headed by Awil and Riyaale and flock are the worst thus far! This Awil and Riyaale enterprise killed Somaliland with intent to kill! All the others who killed or hurt or harmed Somaliland did so either by ignorance coupled with obstinacy, arrogance and at times illusionary like Ina Egale in the 60s! And the gutlessness, backbonelessness, and lack of resilience and courage, like the opposition and others! However when killing is the issue, intent is the centre of gravity in the logic and legal world. On the other side of the coin killing is killing one may argue! Those who happened to rule Mother Somaliland ruined her! They betrayed her! Each one, or party, did it in his own way. Some did it because of their ignorance couple with arrogance! Others with intention and premeditation Others more, did the evil job due to their backboneless and ‘J-llow-ness.’ Poor Mother, she never had a chance to thrive and move forward! She never had an honest to God, conscionable leader while good leaders with that quality are many and sit around her! Author recalls what a UN expert who was working for the, then Somali Republic in 1960s said. He said, “ Al Somal maa carafat rigalha” Somalis don’t know their good men from the bad ones! His name was sDr. Shalabi. He was an Egyptian. So it is the understanding of the author that Somalilanders didn’t know and don’t distinguish their good ones from the evil ones. If we did we wouldn’t end up with people like Riyaale! As from the beginning of her political life until now she dances with the evil with the exception of the liberation period headed by Godly people! One may call her the fool: The fool that far is sent, Some wisdom to attain, Returns an *****, as he went, And bring the fool again! Mr. Egale 1: As quoted from him he said, “ I was a play boy at the time!” that is when he became the prime Minister of the 1st Republic of Somaliland (as a member of the common wealth of nations the head of state was the Queen of England lest you may wonder who was the president at the time!) King Hale Salase of Ethiopia told him in June 27, 1960 one day after our independence when met him in Addis Ababa how the world order works i.e.: That colonial bounders are sac recent and would not be re drawn or changed by the desire of one party for reasons of ethnic settlements or otherwise. The king also mentioned that the new Somaliland Republic and Ethiopia could work and resolve issues regarding Houd and Reserved Area in the Somali inhabited region of Ethiopia! Mr. Egale and his SNL pan-Somalist that did not clearly understand where were they taking Somaliland and what agenda was in their hands, rejected that proposal! They did not know what they were doing! In the end Egale went astray and with him the country, Somaliland! This act could be classified as unconvinced ignorance couples with obstinacy and arrogance. By this and through this action Egale killed 1st Republic of Somaliland of 1960 by virtue of being the leader of the four-day sovereign Somaliland! Mr. Abdurrahman Tuur: Mr. Tuur first joined SNM when he was called back from Abudabi where he was an Ambassador for Siyad Barre. He did not join the National movement by convection but he joined the movement by convenience! He became chairman of SNM in 1988 not by his record of dedication and convection, but by strange twist of events in the SNM’s body politics, which took him there! When he became the first president of the 2nd republic of Somaliland he took the oath of office so reluctantly, afraid of the masses that determined to call back the lost Republic! When Tuur completed his two-year term as president under very difficult circumstances, he left Somaliland and went south to Aideed’s Somalia! He took another oath of loyalty to Aideed as vice chairman there in Somalia! In that way and through that Mr. Tuur hurt and harmed Somaliland intentionally so! Egale#2: Egale came back again to Somaliland after a long absence! He came back to a new different Somaliland, the 2nd republic. His come back helped Somaliland this time. He established government institutions from the scratch. He established statehood, relatively speaking, in a very difficult circumstance He de-commissioned clan based SNM forces [whom their leaders abandoned them as He abandoned the 1st Somaliland republic!] He de-commissioned their weapons with the help of SNM boys them selves and the community elders collectively. He wrote a constitution for the country, imperfect as it is, and set a referendum to legitimize the re-call or the withdrawal of Somaliland from the union with Somalia. But he buried dynamites in every institution he established including the presidency it self!! The said dynamites were the collection of Siyad Barre’s remnants and hoodlums all over the country! Egale embraced them and employed them! The flock was and is a people with no real knowledge to run a government and not only that. They had no conscience. They never had any moral fabric and direction! Most of them had blood in their hands! They tortured and spied the citizens of Somaliland at a time ethnic cleansing was happening! Most of all they also did not have any emotional bond with the people and the country of Somaliland! The new Somaliland that is! Egale on the other hand, alienated, hated and harassed the Mujahedeen because he did not have any thing to share with regarding the liberation of Somaliland! He never liked the educaters, the conscionable and the moral people! Why? We don’t know for sure! Some say he had a psychological problem! He wanted to be the only person in town! It is a typical of him and it is a well-established fact! Unfortunately, most of the problems Somaliland is facing now were the makes of Mr. Egale, like All the looters, all those who sabotaged and continue sabotaging Somaliland like Riyaale, Awil and others! Thus, in these and by way of these actions and activities, Mr. Egale hurt, and harmed Somaliland tremendously in the end! Ina Riyaale: Riyaale is one of the dynamites, the major one now exploding off on our face, which Egale left! All the dynamites Egale hid and left are now exploding and shaking the foundations of Somaliland. They already destroyed the very institutions he built! Riyale was an agent of human destruction and chief of torture as per his job- NSS Riyaale was in a position of authority when ethnic cleansing was going on in Somaliland! He was the notorious NSS chief in Berbera where over 2500 Somalilanders deported from Saudi Arabia and separated by ethnicity and clanship are missing as you read this piece! They are believed dead, murdered by NSS and the Military establishment in Berbera! In a circumstance where sanity was present and prevalent, Riyaale and his likes would never have been accepted as a head of any respectable entity which was sane it self, let alone a president of a state which is sane as well! However in the absence of the conscience and sanity of Somaliland Riyaale was made president and worse yet accepted as such for a state he fought against her! This was a para-normal, trans-constitutional act void of moral marquee! Mr. Riyaale, diva, and his brain Mr. Awil and the rest of his cabinet looted the nation, shamed the nation and disgraced Somaliland! Some did and doing more than others! Riyaale and Awil sabotaged the existence of Somaliland! In fact sold her piece-by-piece! Thus, as a result of these acts and the nature of them, Riyaale killed Somaliland! However, unlike the others before him this guy did this killing of Mother Somaliland intentionally, premeditatedly! Opposition parties : Riyaale party ( UDUB ) as well as the other parties jointly sabotaged and killed the multiparty democracy, lest they may loose in competition! They agreed among them selves to monopolize the political process in Somaliland in a tri-party agreement signed and sealed in Nairobi, Kenya! The opposition danced with the devil in this mischievous, unconstitutional, unethical act! Of the opposition parties, one party is not a real opposition party! It is a one-man show established for profit! The guy, who owns the said party is mercurial and unpredictable, thus cannot be trusted! Unfortunately KULMIYE party is hiding behind his back despite! The other party is a major and populous party but lacks resilience, courage and a times honesty! This party has no backbone! The leadership is “J-ll-o” and their “J-ll-oness” is a national problem. Thus, in this, and by way of this, the opposition did not help Somaliland at all! Somaliland (traders) business people: In the contemporary history of Somaliland, (big) business most often alien with the corrupt regimes, put their profit before the interest of the country and the people! During the popular struggle against Siyad Barre’s regime some Somaliland businessmen were even paying Mr. Barre’s Embassies when his regime failed to get money for some of his most important missions! Some were the exception, however. Businessman Mr. xoogsadi an Ethiopian-Somaliland er, saved lives when Somalilanders were in the border with Ethiopia as refugees. He supplied the needed food based on ‘pay-as-you can-deal’ and the Diaspora was sending remittances. Another businessman a Somalilander-Djiboti an named Ibrahim Dhari also saved lives. He imported a massive (basic) food desperately needed at the time, just on time when needed was there. It was a time Smalilandersjust came back from exile after liberation of Somaliland. Somaliland had no money and no means to import that needed quantity of food at that time There may be also others whom the author may not remember their names and did humanitarian business in a difficult time. My Allah blesses them all. They did their part. Now Somaliland is in the ‘mercantile market’ and some godless tradesmen are buying from the sellers who are Riyaale and Awil. The said tradesmen are buying the public properties; Riyaale and Awil government is selling in haste. They want the cash to buy properties abroad and fatten their bank accounts abroad as well! These so called businessmen also launder the Somaliland shillings, which circulates only in Hargeisa and surroundings but not all over Somaliland and gave them US DOLLARS! Those dollars goes to over seas bank accounts! Those businessmen are the main reason why Somaliland is under this unfortunate circumstance created by Riyaale and Awil! Therefore, the said tradesmen are in accomplice with the national crimes in progress in Somaliland! Now their names must be published for history records In the end, and as the saying goes: Treason doth never prosper, What is the reason? For if it prosper none dare call it treason Somaliland would out last the gang. “The end belongs to the righteous” so said Allah In hope we live In hope we may sing But in action we may prevail, and prosper And action is here warranted, and now. So to live in dignity and thrive. However, peace Ibrahim Mead Political analyst This is why recognition will never come, this is coming from a member of the entity known as Somaliland, the world doesn't need to have another corrupt African nation, or meet with a leader that his own people admit has blood on his hands.

Adeer, if you really want to debate with me, then, see to it, to ask your betters to arm you rather with more appropriately in here, indeed. But, with this sort of empty hand of yours, to which you wish to tussle with me in here, could only be liable to make me feel sorry for you, indeed, and nothing else. Hence, please see to it to be good a sport – just for once – and level up your game in here, dear lad… CLASSIC, that really made me laugh. You should run for leader of your tribal state, seriously. With the other members of your reer from Somali land they seem to be predictable in posting only good stuff from their side and only bad from the other. Where as you, it seems are truely delusional but completely believe everything you write. May I ask you why your legal case has not be accepted and contiuously declined?

I know just like Col Abdullahi Yusuf, General Duke, President Faroole and all those from your arch nemesis of Puntland. We are just not at par with your intellectual capabilites right! Puntland which you seem to refer to as Pirate land and Abdullahi Yusuf as Col Yey, are in your opinion the reason you cannot get recognition! But like I said earlier you're post especially when you start to rant about Somaliland are quite entertaining! Please Continue.

And, therefore, we are rather well aware as to what we are going to do, if and when, they arrive in our border for a bit of a “war-war” That's much better! None the garbage from yesterday.

Believe me, out of all the Somaliland Supporters, you are the most interesting. Hilarious in fact. The other ones try but just can't grasp your level of "tribal mentality", you need to post more often. Even though some times the post are a tad to long to read; most of the time, I know i'll be reading some insane comment like a "somaliland's regular army", (which consists of no airforce and guys addicted to a drug. A regular army would never allow their soldiers to chew this). Now you are hoping for those in the south to come and fight the innocent people living on your borders and you call it a "real engagement", like you will be leading the defense militia into battle. When infact you are in another continent and will sleep safe. Hilarious!!! Please continue!

And therefore, we really wished that these folks to come out for a "real engagement" with those who wished to have them in a broad daylight such as us in Somaliland. Hence, rest assure, dear lad, that, if they stop hiding behind a "suicide bombers" and like, they really would not stand a chance against regular army such as that of Somaliland, indeed. Of course you wish for a real engagement because you'll be very far away and safe!!! You want people to fight, while you stay away in the unpredictable “English weather". Don't talk brave when you know you won't be fighting.

And we also hope that they do not disappoint us, like they did back in 2006, which was when we were waiting for them, only to find, lo-and-behold, that they have disappeared to the "jungles of Jubba-land", instead of coming up north and to the Somaliland's border. Hence, it's to our eternal hope that they come our way rather quickly; for our legal position will be tremendously clarified in that struggle to the dearth that we shall endeavor against them at that time. Yeah you speak like a typical member of the diaspora. It's is sickening and outrageous that you would want war to come to your borders. While you sit comfortable far from the bullets, knowing that the homes that will be destroyed and people displaced won't be yours or your loved ones. You wish war for your people living at your borders, all so it might give you a "legal position", believe me! Not a single person in those area's of Sool and Sanaag where the fighting may occur share your feelings, who love ones will suffer. I'm pretty sure because Sool and Sanaag aren't your Reer, you are willing to sacrifice them in order to get your recognition. Stop being a war monger while you sit in your safe and comfortable foreign land, stop the cowardly tough talk to. Stick to he computer! There's a drought taken places in those area's people are suffering, war will only increase their suffering. Don't wish for war to come to the innocent people there.

Believe me Insha'Allah Abdullahi Yusuf will be back. If the fighting continues in Xamar and plays out the way it looks like it may. He'll be back in Puntland and be given a hereo's welcome, ready to fight "once again" and defend Puntland against Aweys and the new crop. Don't count him out and believe me he's just waiting!!!

One last question, do you actual think Riyaale will allow this? Does he press for the criminal court to investigate?

So why hasn't anyone been prosecuted?

There is no difference, the killing of innocent people in any context is inhumane and most of all a sin. Doesn't matter who did it or how. Everyone must be held accountable. Saying "well killing people in civil war it is different then when it is done by a government" is ridiculous.

Kashafa have you been to any of these safe places that you speak about? Or you going by what someone told you?

That's why no one would ever be brought on war crimes. The international community knows full well both sides committed the same acts, many pro government men and women who surrendered were executed by the rebels and the rebels who were in the mountains came down to the city and hid among the citizens, using them as human shields is a war crime in itself. That's not what i'm saying, just read up on what the western worlds has documented on the history on Somalia and you'll see. Most people that try and start a government from scratch make sure that no high ranking members of a former regime they claimed oppressed them is put in their new government, but Somali land actual names the head of the feared intelligence agency as it's pres. Either no crimes were committed, or it's head must take full responsibility for everything that went on under his command. Jacaylbaro, How do you explain Riyaale's past with the former regime you claimed oppressed you, and how he's now your elected as president?

That's why Aweys has been in Eritrea since he had to run? You believe the Eritrean regime hosted him because they believed in their cause? So Eritrea is part of your movement and believes in it's cause, Eritrea right? They are using Aweys to fight their proxy war and it's working. To me how eritrea can force you to kill each other seems to be people under the slave mentality. What you don't get and why the UIC lost is that no one see's the cause you way see it. We look at President Sharif Gov't and see Somalis from every corner involved and even the previous one. They make sure that they try their best to include all in their leadership and decision making. We look at these so called movements and we see no diversity. The names you named and the faces we always see dont represent all of Somalia. I know they say, we have many fighters from all over, but we are talking about leaders. That's why you will never lead the country.

Kashafa, This is what all your enemies want. Enternal fighting, whatever enemy you can name, you are satisfying when there is constant fighting in Mogadishu. No development occurs, people continuously have to flee and most of all they can say look at us and look at them. Say what you want about Puntland and Somaliland, but the problems they have dont result in enternal bloodshed. Shiek Sharif getting a pledge of 250 mill is more devastating to the enemies that don't want to see Somalia unite then any of these shabab groups. Somaliland is definitely happy with the fighting, there are certainly many at the high levels of the Puntland Admin that are happy. It's true how the saying goes, the Pen is mighter then the sword. The international community won't sit with Aweys or any government he is a part of, so they have no choice but to deal with Puntland and Somaliland directly. And look at Aweys, the man ran when Ethiopia came and only return months after they left, Turki had to go into hiding and some say he left for a bit, all these guys can only lead with a gun and could never unify Somalia. If they take power they will run again just like they did in the past. President Sharif was the biggest hope Somalia had since the civil war. One things for certain though, the fighting in Mogadishu is making your enemies happy.

Damage Control

We can bash the PIS as corrupt for arresting someone, call President Sharif "Sheik Hotel", we can complain about the so called corrupt practices of the previous Puntland admin. But nothing about the criminals working out of Eyl, and all the leaders who are saying nothing about it. The money has poisoned so many people and the president son meets with these criminals. Yet, no call for an investigation like their was outrage for the PIS (the day it happen a few were asking for them to be disbanded and angered at it's head), but not now. There's no call for any action, as long as they are making money right. If we are going to complain about corruption or ask for changes we need to look at every single problem at EVERY LEVEL, not just ones that don't invlove money like the PIS or something. There should be outrage at Mohamed Faroole and we must demand answers. The article where Mohamed Faroole brought the reporter to the Pirate leader, just backs up what some in the UN and other places are saying about the Puntland Admin and piracy. No one will want to help our state if this keeps continuing, how can we expect 20 million or an invite to the piracy conference when the son is engaging in this? Wake up people!!! Dont pick and choose who you want to criticize.

Cool, Calm & Collective That's why President Sharif is our Head of State!!! A true leader.

Fair enough! But, you have a generation who has no idea what a government or sustained peace means. You have a group growing up that are forced to flee and return back continuously. That don't rememeber when Somalia had an affect and peaceful state and who have never lived somewhere that did. When that group grows and starts to be the leaders, it will be a lot different. They are growing up with a different idea on how the world works.

tricks and the maneuvers The only tricks and maneuvers the killers in mogadishu know is which way is the best to throw a gernade at a marketplace or the best way to fit a anti-aircraft gun on a pick up. Aweys only knows war and is incapable of negotiating, he doesn't have the mental capacity. Where's the PM, is irrelevant. In the end it is their people they are killing and their city they are destroying. Somalis are very creative when it comes to destroying and fighting. There was none of this fighting before Aweys came to Mogadishu. He tried in Puntland as was chased out. Now in Mogadishu, shortly after he arrives, people start dying at a high rate. He came only to stop the momentum of President Sharif after donors pleged 250 million dollars. He is a pawn for those that want to keep Somalia in a state of chaos. Mogadishu will always be in a state of war.

What are you trying say here that the nephew of Cadde Muse was not caught trying to traffic poor people from Ethiopia? I don't believe it, I think that it was made up and they arrested him for being from Puntland and a a distant relative. Just like the teenage girl that the government arrested for spying. The fact the man was released with out being charged and spending time in jail is proof. It's just something to grab headlines. Mintid Farayar, History will judge Cade Muse's admin. That chapter in Puntland is closed and a new one has opened. It's ironic that the same people on this site that criticized the previous admin for every move it made, remains silent when the President Son is taking reporters to interview Pirates. A son who hasn't been in the country for years somehow has all these connections. They should be fighting and arresting the pirates. Where is the outrage now? This is far worse for the state. It's only a little over 4 months in. We heard for so long that so many of the problems the new admin has were inherited and now the truth is slowly coming out. When the international community becomes fed up and decided to act we know who to blame!

HA Togwachale border crossing, you mean with the one guy chewing khat and the other napping?!!! I think the Ny Times is a bit more credible then your Somali land news!