I found all these maps of somalia in the 90's, with the exception of hargeisa - mapped in 1968. I was suprised at how much these cities have changed e.g. bosaso, hargeisa, gaalkacyo. However I was even more suprised at the map of Xamar, with all those buildings of embassys government buildings and houses. http://lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities.html Hargeisa (1968) lawrence street, corfield avenue Baardheere (1992) Bosaso (1992) Gaalkacyo (1992) Jalalaqsi (1992) Marka (1992) Muqdisho - part 1 (1993) Muqdisho - part 2 (1993) Xuddur (1992)

Oo Kuwan sawirka dambe ku jira, miyeyna salaad ku jirin - I counted 8 of them looking in at the camera

Originally posted by Poker: I paid 4,000 shiling to see these lions. Those gates are very secured bi=ut the whole place smells so bad. 4,000 shillings? It seems I was ripped off I had to pay 9,000 shillings I remeber that place there were 3 ostriches near the entrance and I was scared to pass them as they weren't in any cage, there was a falcon aswell and 2 lion cubs tied to a tree with a rope and the main lions were in that small cage which looked very weak, although so did the lions aswell. Here is a video of simon reeve visiting the zoo:

Hall of Fame: Aden Cadde(AUN) Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke(AUN) Maxamed Ibrahim Cigaal(AUN) Abdulaahi Ciise(AUN) Maxamed Siyaad Barre(AUN)-pre 1977 SYL SNL Hall of Shame: Maxamed Siyaad Barre(AUN)-post 1977 Maxamed Abdalle Xasan(AUN) Abdilaahi Yusuf Morgan Maxamed Farax Caydiid Al-Shabaab TFG TNG The list is endless...

The East african Iran one is still better

i think imust be the only somalilander in the world who does not want secede like a bunch of fools. then again i was not born with qabeel mentality like some others. even my cousins hate when i say that our fufure lies with our brothers and sisters fo all somalia. god i hate seccessionism. the country was destoyed the moment the snm decided to attack somalia from eithopia . yes the same eithopia which the country went to war with to regain back our lands. siad barre was a crazy guy. but at least we had a country in those days, we were a proud nation back then. not the sorry mess we are in right now Somali Pirate, As a fellow somalilander I accept your opinion that you are a unionist, but what I don't agree with you is the bit in bold about the day somalia was destroyed. In my opinion somalia was destroyed when our president - who at first treated everybody equal - decided only his sub-clan and mother's sub-clan were allowed to work in the top jobs. The SNM as well as the SSDF were feeling that it was unfair that a country were everybody was supposed to be equal, was treating everybody - with the exception of the president's sub-clan - as second class citizens. Meiji, to be honest with you Somaliland is better off seceding because, although we aren't any different to the rest of Somalia, we can't even have any sort of power sharing and treat each other equally, so tell me how can we share a country if we can't share it equally amongst each other?

A short film about young boys wanting to come to europe by taxriib.

Why is it so hard for somalis to let go - i.e. somaliland. Why don't we just follow the path Korea did and get on with it. Btw, the VP only said this as a last resort because UDUB have no chance of success in the coming elections.

Why is it so hard for somalis to let go - i.e. somaliland. Why don't we just follow the path Korea did and get on with it. Btw, the VP only said this as a last resort because UDUB have no chance of success in the coming elections.

Somali Pirate, why are you shocked at SL residents living on remittance where do you think SL is in Europe? Fact is all of Somalia or for that matter Africa lives like this. Also, Burco, Hargeisa and all of SL and PL is peaceful, so to say Burco is a hell hole is rubbish, I bet you haven't been there cos I have been and it is great as are the others I mentioned.

Wow, Abdi Haybe is a legend I watched both of the riwaayads posted. The one JB posted at 1:50 you can see ina Bisad in the audience - I think? Btw there was one song I liked from one of his riwaayads were he sings with a woman who replies to him: asaad ii doonte asaanku diidey ma dembii baa?

How long will it take our new govt to bring peace to Mogadishu, so that we can play football on its beaches?

What the secessionists?

I'm suprised no one chose Cumar Cabdirashid Cali (Sharmarke), because he is relatively unknown and his father(AUN) was 1 of the 3 presidents who actually did something for Somalia. And if I'm not mistaken he qualifies for the 4.5 system - reer Sool I assume?

As Xidigo said, SNM's atrocities in places like Erigavo , Borame , Las Anod need to be counted as well. However we need to forget the past and forgive each other. Or else we will be pointing fingers at political figures and associate their alleged crimes with whichever clan they belong to. These places were the main contributors to the SNA, who were involved in the massacre of reer waqooyi galbeed (hargeisa-burco-berbera). As for these former warlords applying for presidency: only in somalia. :rolleyes: Also as far as riyaale is concerned he is just as guilty as morgan and the other worlords, who targeted particular clans. But reer somaliland seem to forgive him, so therefore I will forgive but not forget. And finally all somali cities/towns were either responsible for the destruction of somalia or were the victims; so I would say forgive but never forget.

Qalbi-Adeyg, Are you kidding me all of Puntland supports the old man due to clan alliegances. Its ironic that puntland - which is made up of one clan - criticizes somaliland which is more diverse than puntland. Also SNM is history it is gone, they did good and bad so lets leave it at that. Although it was sad that reer Awdal were killed, all somalis suffered at the hands of each other: reer awdal were highly represented in the somali national army and the genocide they put towards reer somaliland. Finally any who supports the tfg - whether he is from my clan, my family or other clan - is just as guilty as the people responsible for the suffering the somalis in the south are induring.

walaal, do you know the name of the song in the beginning? btw amiin aamir is an intellegent man who has an amazing talent masha'allah.

Everything you hear regarding somali politics is this "4.5" system. It is a make up of the four major clans of somalia with a mix of smaller clans to make up the "fifth" or 1/2 clan. So why does this not work when every clan has an equal number of seats in parliament? In my opinion this cannot work because eath clan thinks of ways to trick the other into getting less seats. Instead of a 4.5, why not a 5.5 system seeing as one of the major clans are joined with smaller clans to make up 1. If you want to make everyone happy then each clan has to be seperate which might then make it a 5.5 system or 6.5 system or even more. How do you guys on SOL think that this system can work.

Xaaji xundjuf , It looks like the guy on the left is thinking: 'aawey bariiska'; Ahmed yusuf is probably thinking: 'waar sawirka naga daa'; and Silanyo is thinking: 'maad ilaa hadashey'

He defended his people from a genocide from a dictator. Btw good luck to silaanyo and kulmiye. Yes wes can - silanyo 2 :cool: :cool: 9

Lol@Tyrone Biggums

Walaal, I really puzzled at PL and this idea of seceding when PL was anti-secession for so long and now might consider it. Is there any truth in this.

Btw the coat of arms of Somalia could do with a change - even though that is the least of our problems - with one that represents our culture and tradition. Possibly with one which represents our pastoral and nomadic tradition.

jacaylbaro, I know you must be well aware that that was the flag which was first raised in Hargeisa, so therefore I still aknowledge it as my own even though I may display the SL flag - this is due to the situation we are in atm.

If Somalia wants to be united again, they have to first convince SL to rejoin, and convince PL they can be stable again. The only way they can convince us Landers is to change the capital from Mogadishu to Hargeysa (some free qat might make a difference ) - this is due to many reasons, for e.g when a president is ill his deputy takes charge, well Hargeysa is still the second capital, so I would say let Mogadishu get better, and let Hargeysa be the capital indefinitely. Next so that everyone is happy Mogadishu can be the second capital, and Bosasso can be the main port city. Other cities such as berbera can be the second port city. Next with both SL and PL on board they have to disarm all types of militias, religious rebel groups (al-shabab), and make sure the habashis and AU withdraw their troops. Only after this is done can Somalia start to rebuild, whilst xamar is recovering, Hargeysa and Bosasso can bring up the economy. Finally we need to change somethings so that we cannot associate ourselves with previous governments: Name: PEOPLES SOMALI REPUBLIC Flag: Theres no way we can change this; if it aint broke why fix it Coat of Arms: Its nice but why the leopards? change them with camels and the spears with bakoorads then its nice. Anthem: Yet again nice but very old, but we can change it easily as we have many talented poets who could easily write it for us and this time choose a song which doesn't sound like opera but sounds like Somali music. After this, I say when choosing the president we allow three parties from North, East and South to run for presidency then its up to the people to decide. Also the mayor for each region I say mix up the clans to where they represent i.e. a mayor from north will be mayor in south, the one from south to be mayor in east and the one from east to be mayor in north. Finally the big problem with NFD and Somali Galbeed: me personally I would say lets stick with what we got, but knowing Somalis then I would say lets get our act together first then lets kick those habash and kenyan butts.