Xaaji Xunjuf;938466 wrote: I dont get it khatumo wants secession as in what the Khatumo republic ? Well they first refused to be part of the pirate enclave. And now they are not one one line with the rest of the Koonfurians? XX did you read the letter? Or you relied on Carafat's comprehension.. Good lucky Duqa..

NGONGE;938320 wrote: This has the infamous Osman's fingers all over it. Odaygaa waad ku khafiiftay.. here is the official letter waryaa.. Madaxweynuhu waxbadan buu qoraa...

Oodweyne;938452 wrote: ^^A_Khadar, It's not "Sida ay ilatahay aniga" . But, what I am teling you, is what the International community (IC) have decreed, ever since the original London conference of last year. Hence, if you have a problem with that way in which they set up the "table of these talks" , then see to it to take up with them. Yes I have problem and concerns and this is what is all about..

One clan wants the disunity and possible few within that clan may want union and the rest want union. Marka waa qabiil qudha wax raba goosashada sababtana waa cadahay..

xiinfaniin;938424 wrote: This is an ill-informed letter; there is no reason for concern. President Hassan is very wise to engage dare I say save Somaliland from a biting isolation that could result an unnecessary political implosion. What came out of Turkey is a pleasant news. One is well advised to wait the completion of the talks before one assumes bad intent on the president approach. Awoowe, you may be right that the compeletion of the talks worth a wait, but since these talks are completely inclusive to one side of SL and the otherside of president Hassan who his stand of Somali unity isn't clear, Khatumo and other stakeholders have very right reason to be alarmed..

Oodweyne;938409 wrote: Khadar, Hence, regardless of what the eventual outcome will be, it’s given that the likes of “Khatumo-Seeg” of this world, in which their tireless drivel you are parading around in here is not likely to have a “seat” (as a third party to those talks) in that high table in which these talks are taking place. This is all I am trying to open your eyes to. Aa say ula tahay!

^^ XX sometimes afkaaga iyo dhehaaga isma maqlan. Qof labada canba ka hadlaad u muuqataa. Nagadaa is yeel yeelka xaqiiqda ka hadal ama iska wada howshaada qabyaaladeysan waa caadiye..

Xaaji Xunjuf;938328 wrote: Are there even entities called awdal state and maakhir in SL. i can go with that khatumo exist but the other 2 Awoowe, we are talking about poeple, clans.. 5 Beelood baa meesha degan oo 4 diidantahay mashruucaaga..

NGONGE;938383 wrote: Isn't that what a threat is, saaxib? If you don't do this, I will do that. Wax fahan. It was like if you don't do like this I will do this, but it was If I want to join Somaliland, this project will succeed long ago. It's remind that I am the one who stopped to happend. It's different if I don't do this, I will do that.. Still your somalia is not sharp NG. "Maba yeeli doono, hadiise ay dhici lahayd cid kale ma joojin karteen.." this sentence sums up to help with somaliga dee..

Oodweyne;938365 wrote: ^^ Che , Not according to the international community that set up this talks. After all to say only two people are legally tasked to talk the fate of former Somali republic means,in their eyes, it's these two entities that has the right to represent those who fall inside the territories in which each party is claiming to represent. Awoowe that is how you like to be but but also look the other side of the coin. Beesha cadhaysan ee rabta inay go'do oo la soo celinaayo since inta kale ay joogaan...

KKKKKKKKK Is this some sort of desperation? bring pics from the triangle towns and buhodle presenting as they are in one place.... BTW this is an old fart, the man in the picture Xaglo toosiye is gone.. Do you know where about him?

Wadani;938370 wrote: Ha ahaato dan ee danahoo dhami ma wada sinna. Teenu danta tolka ma dhaafsana, waana halka ay sartu ka qudhuntay ileen siyaasad reeraysani danta guud ayay caqabad ku tahaye. And tell me danta Somaliland ee ay soomali uga caraarayaan? Come again Wadani, adigii baa toosh isku ifinayee...

oba hiloowlow;938359 wrote: LOL@oodka Xaaji true, if we care about somalinimo we wouldn't be in this mess today. If you and your clan don't care about Somalinimo, there are people who care Somalinimo and died for it and currently dying for it.

Carafaat;938342 wrote: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> check Ali Khaliif at 7.01min. That is what I was saying. Did you hear something else? NG suggested that he treatened that he will join somaliland..All he said was IF "Hada maba yeeli doono...Hadii faliwaali naguba dhaqaajiso oo somaliland raacaynaa, Garoowe iyo Muqdisho ma joojin karaan"...

^^ Awoowe you're right that is what he said but my understanding is that he is reminding the President that his steps of signing agreements with one clan that doesn't represent Khatumo, Awadal and Makhir. However as you suggested if he doesn't give a hood, what Khatumo and other non-secessionists clans in the north would do, is simple no one can force them if Somaliland wants disunite from Somalia so as Khatumo and other clans can also disunite themself from the beesha dhehe. Let us be all little fiefdoms, clan nations.

NGONGE;938320 wrote: This has the infamous Osman's fingers all over it. Khadar, Khaliif was making a similar threat in a post that Xaaji X posted. He was even more clear in threatening to join SL! What do you think of that? NG, you know better. Ali didn't threat to join SL. However this ain't about Khalif or Xaglo or about anyone you know their names. Xaglo joined SL long ago. That didn't stop but made Khatumo stronger. Same goes with individuals. This is about the people and people are not entertained with SL's clan songs.. FYI, Xaglo is in Nairobi and rumors are saying he scaped........

Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir re-ignite an even bolder “United Somali Party” (USP): promised to bring Somalia 2.0 I want to start by thanking the president of Awdal State: Honourable Justice Rashiid Aw-Nur and his delegation for making such a long trip just to be here with us tonight. I also like to thank all the other dignitaries for coming here tonight. Finally, i would like to thank the hard working organizers of this event representating Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir communities of Toronto and Ottawa, Canada. Let me begin with a statement from our Canadian National Anthem. They say that In North America, Canada is “The True North Strong and Free”. Well, Ladies and gentlemen, in Northern Somalia, Awdal State, Khatumo State and Makhir States, are the “True North Strong and Free”. Tonight, my dear friends, There is a new breeze of freedom and liberty in Northern Somalia; after many years of civil war, hunger and hopelessness, suffering and oppression, there is a renewed sense of hope and belief in the sovereignty and Unity of our Country. In 1956, under the famous Gol-khatumo tree, gathered the communities of Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir, United under the United Somali Party USP banner. Their wisdom and collaboration in bringing together North and South Somalia laid down the foundations for A united SOMALI Republic. Almost 60 years later, ladies and gentlemen, we have an opportunity to become that catalyst again, the tie that binds together a true and unified Somali Federation. In the history of Somalia, some would say that the British government said that Somaliland was once a country. Well, ladies and gentlemen the British also said, that Awdal state was once an Empire, that Makhir State was once a Kingdom, and that Khatumo State was once a Dervish State. Whether you prefer a Country over an Empire or a Kingdom over a Dervish State, is not the issue before us today. That issue before us tonight is the new reality and the need to support the unity the re-birth of our internationally recognized Federal Government. READ

Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir re-ignite an even bolder “United Somali Party” (USP): promised to bring Somalia 2.0 I want to start by thanking the president of Awdal State: Honourable Justice Rashiid Aw-Nur and his delegation for making such a long trip just to be here with us tonight. I also like to thank all the other dignitaries for coming here tonight. Finally, i would like to thank the hard working organizers of this event representating Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir communities of Toronto and Ottawa, Canada. Let me begin with a statement from our Canadian National Anthem. They say that In North America, Canada is “The True North Strong and Free”. Well, Ladies and gentlemen, in Northern Somalia, Awdal State, Khatumo State and Makhir States, are the “True North Strong and Free”. Tonight, my dear friends, There is a new breeze of freedom and liberty in Northern Somalia; after many years of civil war, hunger and hopelessness, suffering and oppression, there is a renewed sense of hope and belief in the sovereignty and Unity of our Country. In 1956, under the famous Gol-khatumo tree, gathered the communities of Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir, United under the United Somali Party USP banner. Their wisdom and collaboration in bringing together North and South Somalia laid down the foundations for A united SOMALI Republic. Almost 60 years later, ladies and gentlemen, we have an opportunity to become that catalyst again, the tie that binds together a true and unified Somali Federation. In the history of Somalia, some would say that the British government said that Somaliland was once a country. Well, ladies and gentlemen the British also said, that Awdal state was once an Empire, that Makhir State was once a Kingdom, and that Khatumo State was once a Dervish State. Whether you prefer a Country over an Empire or a Kingdom over a Dervish State, is not the issue before us today. That issue before us tonight is the new reality and the need to support the unity the re-birth of our internationally recognized Federal Government. READ

An Open Letter to President Hassan Mohamoud 14 Apr 2013 Mr President First and foremost, I would like to convey to you, on behalf of our Khatumo people, the respects due to you as our President. Needless to say, no where has your election as president been received with such rousing welcome and instant stirring jubilations as among our people in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC) regions. This is for the simple reason that as devoted unionists they perceived you as someone ushering a new dawn for Somalia who would lead it away from its long-enduring failed state and defend its battered unity against its enemies, namely the one-clan secessionists in the north calling themselves Somaliland. Alas, those hopes were too good to be true as the earlier premature euphoria started to evaporate into thin air, increasingly giving way to the familiar despair. Today, sadly, discontent with your presidency is gaining ground each day in the country, apart from those who would support you right or wrong out of blind clan loyalty. To be fair to you, some of the blame might be misplaced, but most are well-founded and are of your own making. More often than not, Mr President, your actions are not born out of well-considered national policies and strategies for the benefit of Somalia but amount to selected short-sighted and misguided initiatives aimed at gaining advantages at the cost of those you consider dispensable or perceive as clan adversaries. There is something déjà vu about all this, and unless you urgently change course, we are likely to slide back into the quagmire we thought we had emerged from on your election. If that happens, God forbid, you can only imagine your ignominious place in Somalia’s history. Read

Mohamed Yusuf Halac President of Khatumo state of Somalia Mr President First and foremost, I would like to convey to you, on behalf of our Khatumo people, the respects due to you as our President. Needless to say, no where has your election as president been received with such rousing welcome and instant stirring jubilations as among our people in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC) regions. This is for the simple reason that as devoted unionists they perceived you as someone ushering a new dawn for Somalia who would lead it away from its long-enduring failed state and defend its battered unity against its enemies, namely the one-clan secessionists in the north calling themselves Somaliland. Alas, those hopes were too good to be true as the earlier premature euphoria started to evaporate into thin air, increasingly giving way to the familiar despair. Today, sadly, discontent with your presidency is gaining ground each day in the country, apart from those who would support you right or wrong out of blind clan loyalty. To be fair to you, some of the blame might be misplaced, but most are well-founded and are of your own making. More often than not, Mr President, your actions are not born out of well-considered national policies and strategies for the benefit of Somalia but amount to selected short-sighted and misguided initiatives aimed at gaining advantages at the cost of those you consider dispensable or perceive as clan adversaries. There is something déjà vu about all this, and unless you urgently change course, we are likely to slide back into the quagmire we thought we had emerged from on your election. If that happens, God forbid, you can only imagine your ignominious place in Somalia’s history. Of all your questionable, if not reprehensible actions, I will confine myself to the one that concerns us directly and that is your unilateral, imperious plan to dispose of our existence as Khatumo, as distinct SSC regions and people within Somalia, and feed us to the tutelage of the enemies of Somalia and its unity. What makes your plan all more outrageous and offensive is that you conceived it over our heads, in total disregard of our fundamental rights, as if we were no more than disposable tradable commodities. All the same, all you have managed to achieve in one swoop is to alienate our people, perhaps irreversibly, while abetting rather than prevailing over Somaliland’s secessionist intransigence. Mr president, you should know that the Khatumo State of Somalia was not established to fulfil myopic clan aggrandisement like the other mushrooming clan enclaves but simply as the only way we could distance ourselves from Somaliland and resist the secession that the one-clan enclave has been barbarically imposing on us through occupation of our capital Lascanod. Since then we have been single-handedly defending the unity of Somalia that you, your government and its predecessors have failed to defend in deeds and words. Mr President, let me tell you that our problem with our brothers in the one-clan secessionist enclave in the north is not about perennial clan antagonisms that are common in the south. Indeed, the fraternity among the northern people whatever their clans have always been deep, apart from the occasional clashes between any two neighbouring clans over scare resources which have been settled through time-honoured conflict resolution modalities until perverted by the current administration in Hargeisa for unscrupulous political ends. The problem, Mr President, is not with the secessionist clan per se but with their expansionist colonialist administration and our irreconcilable stands: on one side, it is their relentless obsession with the break-up of Somalia, their desire to have a state where as a clan they can dominate all other clans, and their use of force and occupation to make us succumb to their secession and tutelage; and on the other side, facing them, is our equally resolute determination to defy them and remain unionists adhering to the motherland. Our stand is the one any Somali leader worth his salt, whether a president or Prime Minister, or for that matter others in the government and Parliament, should have rallied to us and gave us material and moral support. Alas, far from doing that, you chose to stab us in the back and offer us to Somaliland as a sacrificial lamb. READ

address the point.. Isn't that exactly what your clan dies for to do?

did your defense minister receive them again? Embarressment.. hope not again...

Xaaji Xunjuf;937573 wrote: Samafal bingo if there is no proper reconciliation this will continue we have seen it in the past during general siad bares regime that one tribe has tried to claim complete supremacy using the state resources. Reaction tribal rebel movements who want to claim the throne and than do the exact same thing equals distrust between the various communities and ofcourse ended up with the establishment of tribal homeland states. More and more Somalis are seeing Somalia needs real reconciliation instead of waving the blue flag and act as if nothing happened. Bingo XX exactly what your clan dies for to do... Don't come back and say my clan is better and different..

STOIC;937557 wrote: Am confused.. Did you open a thread in response to someone else opinion in another site so you can settle scores...this site quality is going down with all this useless threads...I must be getting old He did and found who he wanted to address fro his response.. Wadani...

heheh, blame Oday Oodweyne's indoctrination and feeding names such siyaadist, defeated lot, and looters etc. to many here..