Carafaat, though some of the regime's employees from ministerial to lower rank have corrupted elements, it was also a practice to accused those against the regime as corrupt and theifery. Even some got arrested for that without proof and other escape. But honestly corruption was also common and still is common in somali's leadership.. Same people are those running offices now.. To say the lastly, on this case, Ali Galaydh was wrongly accussed.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;779248 wrote: Taleexi, gabar inta ku jirto ayaa qoortaas aad ku sheegeysid 'geriga' leh. She is so maashallaah. MMA ii qarxi qoor dheertaas halkan ku jirta if neccessary PM saaxib;);)..

Will dear.. BTW couldn't spotted you in the pics but did few friends and relatives.. Great stuff from TO.

NGONGE;779503 wrote: Because you are not telling the truth, ya Khadar. When killings take place you complain of 'clannish cleansing' but when SL soldiers defect to Khaatumo, you sit back and talk about welcoming your cousins home. When you tell the truth and say that it's your kin who are taking part in most of these killings. Now your true color is out just like your cousins JB, XX and Oodweyne and the rest.:mad: My cousins hired by somaliland are not there to kill their own women and children but when they see what your militia is doing, they defected. Of course when they defect and realize what s/l's mere agenda is all about (clan cleasing), I welcome them. Those killing people indiscriminately are your militia from Burco and beyond. That is the truth but keep on denying.

NG, Sorry my late respond here for some reason the noise distracting you mention affected me.lol.. - Khaatimo is a good idea that gives the SSC people leverage in their disputes with their neighbors but it is far too early to regard it as anything but an idea (for now). This is true but as Khaatimo is its baby stage, its impact so far is huge and caused already many dramatic changes to the project from demos, out cries and suicidal attacks. All these are indication of the magnitude of Khaatimo and its severe blow to your project. - SL is still better off than it were in 2007 when it did not have much support in the SSC community. Completely disagree on this because after Khatumo2 conference, the support of SSC community to s/l diminished and it's the lowest ever. - On the 'balance of probabilities', I believe my support for the SL project to be correct and my hope that you (and Taleexi) will feel the same in due time is still strong. There is a point you always try to avoid which I would want to clear it out. I have no issue with you supporting your clan project and expecting from you the same however what I always have difficult to comprehend is your neclect and denies of the atrocities your militia commits against other none Duriyada. And lately you don't even hide this. Your argument is tilting towards you accepting that s/l's attendance of London meeting under the impression of it will attend strategically to stage its endeavor of succession and also it will represent Khatumo, Awdal and Maakhir communities. I should only say let us see when that happens. I am still demanding you to either change the title of this thread or S/L predicement thread will get opened...

Watch it on your face lads.. You're all so clueless. Your project is gone!

^^ Waryaa ma baxsan but may day just started again.. It may be a bit of exaggeration to say what happened in LA and entire SSC regions commited by your militia is an actually and complete massacre yet, but accumulating the daily atrocities, killings, displacing people, looting, economic hardship, occupying cities, current militia build up in and around Buuhoodle which could explode any given hour, stopping nomads from accessing their water wells, all these and many other violations can lead to the direction of massacre or clan cleansing.. Are you denying all these? Are you supporting what your clan militia is doing Buhodle, Lasanod and Cerigabo against Khatumo communties? If you are not, why don't you ever denounce them.. Silence is an agreements.. Hope you watched the wounds in LA hospital and the merciless of your militia and I only hope you are not happy with that like JB..

The massacre that Somaliland's occupation forces committed in Lascanod on Sunday 21 January 2012, in which a number of people were cold-bloodedly killed and many fatally wounded, may be the first of its kind. But it is only part of the wider crimes against humanity which the one-clan secessionist enclave calling itself "Somaliland" had adopted as their instruments of occupation and suppression since they occupied the capital city and other parts of the Khaatumo State of Somalia (formerly SSC) in October 2007. Outsiders may only be aware of some headline-catching instances of the odious nature of this occupation. Just to mention some, memories are still fresh of what they did at Kalshaale in Feburary 2011 when their tanks chased and deliberately run over scores of SSC nomads in the area; or at Widhwidh when elders were rounded up and gunned down on the spot; or at Bali Hadhac when people sitting around an open air tea shop were over run by an armoured truck, killing several of them, including one pregnant woman; or their night assault on Buuhoodle town last week when their attacking militia opened fire indiscriminately on the sleeping residents, killing a number of them and wounding many others, not to speak of the considerable damage to properties. Much as these specific cases may generate greater shock, yet they are part of unpublicised daily violations of the human rights of the residents of the capital, including extra-judicial killings, rape, indiscriminate detentions without trial, kidnappings, curfews, intimidations, humiliations, the closure of schools and businesses etc. And it is through these egregious actions that the occupying authority use as part of their ethnic cleansing policy in order to force the local SSC population to flee from the city. Most of the displaced have found their way to the Somali refugee camps in Kenya. These widespread, systematic and inhumane practices by the secessionists against the people of the partially occupied Khaatimo State amount to crimes against humanity as enunciated in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Those in Somaliland who are associated with these practices, whether as leaders or perpetrators, are liable to be indicted at the ICC. If in the past the SSC people had been always on the receiving end, voiceless, powerless and helpless, this time they have their Khaatimo State of Somalia and their own regional government that would henceforth not only defend them physically but will also pursue justice against those in Somaliland who had committed crimes against their human rights. Somaliland's make-belief that the Khaatimo State and clan regions in the north are their patrimony bequeathed to them by the former colonial power, or that the people in these regions are disposable at the behest of the ruling clan are part of the prevailing conventional wisdom in the enclave. No one articulates this chauvinistic ideology better than Abdi Waraabe, better known as Abdi the Hyena. He called the other day for the removal of the SSC people en masse from their regions unless they succumb to Hargeisa's dictate. As the most senior citizen in the area and a member of their Parliament, he was simply echoing what their political, religious, traditional and the masses espouse and have been saying so ad nauseam. Coming back to the massacre at Lascanod on Sunday, this is the first time when the occupying Somaliland authority of Sool called for their army to shoot on sight kids and women demonstrators whose only crime was to oppose the occupation, wave the national flag of Somalia and shout slogans in support of Somalia and the establishment of the Khaatimo State of Somalia. Putting this heinous crime in its right perspective, one has to remember that the British colonial authority has never committed anything of this sort for all their 80 plus years rule of their former colony. Rather, this cowardly and unspeakable act of firing at peaceful and defenceless demonstrators is normally associated with fascist authorities or criminal outlaws. In particular, it has similarity with the infamous action of the government of South Africa during the Apartheid era when their police opened fire in March 1960 on unarmed black African demonstrators, killing many of them, in what has come to be known as the Sharpeville Massacre. This time, the Lascanod Massacre of women and kids was committed by no other than people we look upon as our own "brothers" in the secessionist enclave. Unfortunately, these are people for whom any association with Somalia or other Somalis is an anathema. Such relentless inhumane actions on the occupied from the SSC regions will only widen the unbridgeable gulf between the communities and make the emergence of a united people under a country by the name of Somaliland well neigh impossible. With the establishments of Awdal State, Makhir State and finally the Khaatimo State of Somalia, Somaliland is in a state of delirium and desperation as all the other clans it occupied as hostages to facilitate its recognition are slipping away one by one from its control and as it comes face to face with the demise of its phantom state. Desperate people invariably embark on desperate, destructive and self-defeating actions. This is how one should see their actions on the ground and their recent call to their people to bear arms, young and old, and fight the SSC people in order to nip the nascent Khaatimo State of Somalia in the bud. In contrast with the hostile and blood-curdling threats from Somaliland, the SSC people at their conference at Taleex, exercising their inalienable right to self-determination to establish their own State of Somalia, had affirmed their irreversible membership of Somalia, the supremacy of the central government of Somalia, under which the State comes, and their wish to live in peace with all their neighbours. While all other Somali clans and regions have supported the Khaatimo conference at Taleex, and welcomed the new Khaatimo State of Somalia, the exception has been the one-clan secessionist enclave. Their response is to call for an all-out attack on SSC people. When this threat is against regions and its people whom the international community consider as part and parcel of Somalia, the secessionists' mindset is a throwback to the by-gone age of colonial gunboat dictations to the "natives". Needless to say, the people of Khaatimo State of Somalia will defend their inalienable rights to run their own affairs through their own freely chosen regional institutions and liberate their occupied regions preferably by peaceful means but, failing that, by other means compatible with international and national laws. But at all times, they will defend their people and territory from all possible aggressions from the secessionists. The onus is therefore on them for plunging the region into a new conflagration that could draw other regions and clans. Hitherto, the international community, seeing the SSC people voiceless, occupied and subject of gratuitous dispute between Somaliland and Puntland chose to close their eyes and minds to the crimes Somaliland was committing in the SSC Now that the latter has their own State, on par with Somaliland and Puntland, the international community should no longer sit on the fence or look the other way. If peace is to be maintained, it behoves the international community, above all Great Britain and the USA, to use their considerable leverage over the enclave and persuade them that they consider the Khaatimo State as part of Somalia and as such Somaliland has no right to claim it let alone occupy it. For his part, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General of the United Nations (SRSG)bears part of the secessions' self-delusion when he recently told them for his own reasons that they deserve recognition as a country based on the borders of the former British colony. This amounts to giving away part of Somalia, but also the Khaatimo State on a plate. The least the SRSG can do for the sake of peace is to hitherto confine himself faithfully to his mandate which clearly requires him to defend Somalia's unity and territorial integrity and not ingratiate himself with the secessionists. Osman Hassan Chairperson Foreign Relations Commission Khaatimo State of Somalia email: osman.hassan2 @gmail.com

Which happen to be avoiding tall girls by any means..lol. rageedii.. War ma maqashay sariirta laguma kala dheera..lol..

AUN. Waa runtii wax laga xumaado.. Dooxa Shabellana maxay ahaayee.. I used heard Dooxada Juba..

It's really very tragic that some landers come here and support such hateful crimes against innocent somali people in their homes.. NG, hope you don't come around and pronounce that I haven't heard/seen crimes s/l committed after few days. Here are the proofs. Really people with critical wounds show the in discriminatory killings of the innocent people in their home towns.

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Lol.. Saxiib I just recall old thread where someone mentioned reason you like short women is because you're short man..lol.. I am not tall man either but still love talls..

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Lol.. don't you like the tall girls? I doooooooooooooo me confess..

It's just another way of prolonging the Somali'a predicament. If somalis want to move forward, they have come together themselves with no external forces/support just simple model of Khatumo2 under trees. They can sort their affairs by their own. I would call such a conference for somalis.. Let us try just once since more than 20 other conferences led by external orgs/nations failed.

Alliyah, was trying you to spot you there lol..

Alliyah ignore these scripts.. You're arguing with scripts of XX, JB, AfricanOwn, Oodweyne, Salaaxa and the rest.. Just ignore them.. Keep on updating.. Minnesota party is on the Jan 28th 2012 @ Minneapolis Convetion Center... Will post the flier insha'alah..

^ Locals. Great move.. Time to move all UN offices to somalia..

^ Fool is fool and Khayse has no idea why and what he is doing there... I am sure he smelled fish but no where to go..

^ It seems he is high on something... Way sumaysan yihiin since they beleive they have the right to invade people's towns and see other people wrong for defending their homes..

Carafaat, you just reminded me this rude dude in a somali riwaayad who loves this girl yet every instance he meets her, he blows it up where his friend tries to calminate the situation that he creates including wrongly trying to hit the girl by insulting her and her friend... Lastly his friend gives up where he says, "ku gujiyey, ku riixay, kuu baaqay maxaan kugu sameeyaa miyaan ku suuxiyaa?".. Now, Juxa tried to help you but you aint going nowwhere marba sheekadii la soo dhaweeyey baad kow ka soo bilaabaysaa... Now give it up or do right.. Hint: The forum has "PM" feature... badow ma sidaan baad reer xamar ku sheeganaysay...

The man above you is having wet dream?

Abtigiis;778879 wrote: Let us be honest. Professor Ali Khalid Galayr has a dubious past, mainly in relation to corruption at mareereey sugar factory. Should the Samatars write about him in foreign land, maybe not. But they sure have a better CV in terms of integrity. Again, none of the people who are commenting here have 1/4 of the knowledge the two professors have. So, they should know their limits. This doesn't apply to Duke andthe punties. In that land, the day you enter grade 11, you buy a reading glass (no matter your age), tie the glass-holder small bag at your waist, firmly attached to your suun, carry a briefcase and that is it: you are a Professor. The place has a misguided sense of self-confidence which is beyond impudence. It borders foolishness. So, these naturally-born professors can critique the samatar professors. Wait a second.. Awoowe what did you say? Corruption at Mareerey Sugar.. Any proofs other than Siyad Barre accused him where he did anyone who opposed him? I live in same place where both Samaters and Galaydh lived, Minnesota, and closely followed their differences. Abdi Samater never provided any evidence to what he accused to Dr. Galaydh when was offerred the job @UofM and the proof was that the dean of Humphrey Institute proceeded to hire him after he consulted with those knew Galaydh from other universities he worked for and also the State Department. Abti, don't bring that issue here now unless you have tangable proofs. The argument here is Samater has beef with Galaydh rightly or wrongly, but opposing Khatumo and Awdal and asking to keep s/l united when in fact s/l wants to succeed from somalia is totally conflicting stance and makes no sense by one arguing somalia's unity. BTW, I am still waiting anything that these Samaters ever support. They always against everything.. I recalled once when he bad mouthed about some of the somalia's universities and called it one "meel cariish waa laga dhisi karaa" and can be called a university. This was at a student's conference where he was inviting to encourage the community to support somali's education.