My guess is the election of parliment and president will take longer than expected. At least one more year, which will mean that one more year for Faroole at the helm. Faroole sees himself the guardian of federalism and will not go away that easily as long as he still think he has some work to do in that department.

Allah sahlo

I listened to the whole debate. Could not understand what culusoow's urgument is. Is he saying that the constituition is not based on federalism or he's saying that theconstituition does not recognize any pre existing states like Puntland. Faisal's urgument was more clear. He gave the benefits of federalism for Somalia and also answered the question of how the federal goverment should deal with the existing states and form those that are to come. He was very critical of president Hassan to the much dislike of the Fiqi guy.

Mooge;962401 wrote: These people have been living together and marrying each other for 100 years. Waa abti iyo cousins. In colad laga dhex aburo hada ma fiicna. Are you saying Abo hiloowle has some Jareerweyn genes in him?

LOL@when be nice to them. So it was some favours from you not God given right of theirs to be a mayor of a town that they are majority? Caqli Xumo.com Why is the president quiet about this. When the skirmishes happened in Kismayo he was quick to call for immediate cease of hostilities! Today, there were heavy confrontation in both Jowhar & Marka, but it seems it's not a big deal for the government to even talk about. Somehow Kismayo war was something they were looking forward to?

Compromise is a must if Somalia is to be saved from slipping into anarchy and tribal wars. I really finding hard to understand what is motivating president's Hassan's utter rejection of any state being formed. Is it he doesn't like the fact that Jubbaland will be dominated by one loosely affiliated and politically polarized tribe (read D-Block)? Is his fear motivated by the same fears shown by some of his tribesmen (read Haad & Co). If this is one of the reasons he is opposing it then I say may Allah help Somalia with qabiilayste president like that. Is it he doesn't believe in federalism and thinks such a sate will give more weight to federalism. Many people believe that presidents' tribe do not want federalism as they think they have the capital city and hence the presidency for the foreseeable future. if this is the case he alone can not decide what structure of governance Somalia should take and should put his ideas on the table for all to agree. From whatever angle you look from it, his utter rejection seems he has an ulterior motives and this is dangerous path to take by a president of a broken country like Somalia. Coming back to Madoobe, what should he compromise on? Shall he compromise on his presidency or the existence of Jubba State? or shall he compromise on accommodating other clans who are unhappy about his admin? I believe Hassan will only contend for the second! But Madoobe can be convinced to agree on except the second option. It's not sacred that he alone should be the president of the Jubbas. But I doubt Hassan's problem is with Madoobe but rather the state and the regions that come under.

How so? Your little caqli Puntland should take whatever thrown at her and should not have any thought or input in the affairs pertaining to the constitution and future relationship in the federal system ? More over it should let couple of inexperienced fellas who never had any proper administrative experience let alone lead a broken county to decide for her in the absence of proper agreed federal institutions and proper checks and balances? If you lot going to write essays (I don't know how you get the time in the world to write such lengthy BS), every time Faroole disagrees with something or show a concern, then embrace yourselves as you have your work cut out. he will have a lot to say where the country's politics is headed, the completing the constitution and building proper institutions that work for all not the few in Mogadishu. Many will disagree with him but in the end he will prevail as he did many times before. You see Faroole is realist and neither he's dreamer nor naive. The international community understands his language pretty well.

Carafaat;945483 wrote: I have! See the many threads I have made about Unity, Pan-Somalism, taking a stand against secession and recongnition of Somaliland, have supported the talks between SL and Somalia from the beginnging and cheered that hopefollu it will lead to Unity inshallah. My records on Somali unity and sessionism speaks for itself. Just like I take a stand against clan federalism I have opposed Somaliland sesseion. When will you take a stand for the unity of Galakcyo, Mudug and all these regions clan federalism is carving up? Spare me your crocodile tears. From what I have seen from you in these forums you put too much energy and effort to discredit everything and anything Puntland for clannish reasons rather nationalistic reasons. Puntland has stood for unity of whole Somalia and want federalism. The fact that they are one clan state bothers you than it bothers the peace and development of those regions. Puntland has been self governing for 15 years, what harm did that do to its population and the rest of the Somalis? For you to dedicate whole your time in these forums on propagating negative stances on whatever Reer Puntland do shows your tribalistic agenda. You feel Puntland is on the way of the ambitions of your clan to became something whether that something becomes having their little country or gaining more power in Somalia politics is all the same for you. But let me ask a question since you claim to be nationalist: Most of your separatist clansmen think if it was not Puntland, Somaliland would have been an independent state like that of South Sudan. Do you compliment Punland for Keeping the country together and saving the Somaliweyn hope alive for another day ? Galkio issue is very small in the scheme of things and one way or another it will be solved. The solution of it does not depend on whether the country takes federalism or centralism. It's tribal division that existed for hundred of years and can not be solved overnight.

^How about giving your Marqaan cousins above some advice of abandoning this separatist futile excursion of governance that risks to collapse if policies are not re-thought?

Carafaat;945370 wrote: As the resident expert of Pirate politics or the only known 'Puntlantologist', my gues would be pirates as one the stakeholders of the Garowe princibles or gang (consisting of Sheick Shariif, Abdiwali, ASWJ, Galdmudug) are hiding something here. As all the other stakeholders have been replaced, they hope to make use of the ignorence of other by trying to reopen negoitiaten on the constitution to pass the remaining 10 procent of pirate clausules. . LOL that's classic paranoia. Soon qashinkaad magaalada ka guraysaa hadii aad saan kusocotid Walle, xanuun qolo layiraahdo Pirate baa kugu dhacay, you see everything in them. It was the Roadmap first, then it was the constituitionka and now Jubbaland. Never ending paranoia of certain folks are here to get us.

I will come and get it at the right time of my own choosing. I am being patient just like you have been patient for 17 years until you found a donkey to ride :)

No, No, That's Masai Mara, A HAG territory. Believe it because Oday Xaad said it so.

Carafaat;945350 wrote: War cid walba wee ku heysyaan, from Oba,Maaddeey, to MMA, Somalilanders, Djiboutians, Reer Xamar. One needs to understand that there is a consensus among Somalis, thay Somalia will not be criplled anymore by the ambitions of ANY subclans. The pirates know this, but I feel for the Somali Kenyans who are new to the game. That consensus includes the ambitions of Laaland, right? or what?

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Laascaanood is part and parcel of Puntland. Puntland will get it back, just be patient

He shows a lot of inexperience and waging a clan war. Will see where it ends.

Mr Culusoow did not know any changes made to the constitution as he has never made any effort to read it. He even naively thought his term is 4 years what a president!!

Puntland has been attacked and lost many heroes, but forty people killed in a span of four years won't slow the progress of the great state. Kudos, to Faroole he hit hard those who hurt our people. Last two years the killing has gone dramatically due to increased alertness of the armed forces and rounding up many of the perpetrators. Carfaat, Cuqdadad iska saar and seek help immediately. I fear for your mental stability kid.

Ma awal asxaan noo samaynyeen awoodaa meesha dhigtay.

^Kii 1960 kii ma quraan buu ahaa. Wax kasta uu yahay dastuurku in si sharci dara aha oo aan la isku ogayn in loo badalo waa tuuganimo, qofkii sameeyayna waa tuug aan xishoonayn. Is aaminaad Soomalida oo iska yarayd bay arintani baasiin kusii shubaysaa, waxayna keenaysaa tilaaba kasta oo dawladan qaado in question gareeyo. Marka fahankaagu waa qaladan yahay boowe dib ugu noqo.

^LOL says a secessionist who's whole project is built on winching and whining. And please do talk us through the green pastures of part of your world? Will ya?

One little info. Abdiwali has already put his weight behind UDAD led by Said. I think he is from Qandala if I'm not mistaken. So Faroole's chances of winning in Bari and Mudug is very slim. He's betting on his main constituents in Nugaal districts and folks in Sool & Sanaag.

Oodweyne;943127 wrote: Good development for Somalia. but still others are not seeing the little "meaningful nugget" of a fact that says Somaliland dealing with HM government will be handled by the British embassy in Addis-Ababa.. Are you sure about that Sir? Hadhoow yaanan maqal isagoo taagan Hargaisa oo aad ugu yeeraysaan Safiirka Somalia & Somaliland :) It was two days ago when the Dutch ambassador to Somalia visited Hargaisa and you lot cracked me up when you call him the ambassador for Somalia & Somaliland LoL

Country xaal qaado

lol Carafaats prayers kulahaa, Horta bunch of Qat addicts' prayers ma la aqbalaa

Faroole will cheat into victory. Embrace yourselves with another five years of Faroole & Co.