NGONGE, It is Allah's point of view as seen in the Qur'an only. By the way, Maraykanku wuxuu aqoonsiga Kosovo ku xumaynayay Ruushka! Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: Now I know I sound like a nut, but who in SOL would take this Warxume guy out of my face before I crack his corrupt cranium into pieces. Adeer, go with your sermons elsewhere. Halkan uguma taag hayno! Fork Israel! And all it stands for. If it recognised Somalia (with your partially true story), it was for its own strategic geopoillitical intersts. USA recognised Kosovo, but is it the friend of Muslims. Where is LST? Adderrow ninka si naga dheh dee? Those who act like gaalo (as many accused Marx) waa la baan gareynayaa, while Gaaladii LIVE'ka aheyd way joogaan! What a paradox!

Somalis are a break-away clan from the Oromo; we were once "Galla" together. Originally posted by S .o.l_AnalYst: In any form under RACE i write Somali cuz i am somali

The fact that there are modern day "Pharisees" in Israel does NOT negate this verse. You are implying that the meaning of Qur'anic verses change with circumstances on the ground! Yours is an interesting tasfeer! Which medressa did you go to?! Originally posted by Umm_Uthman: we should love what.who Allah loves and hate that/who Allah hates....

Clearly says that Allah chose the Jews above all other people including Arabs! "The children of Israel were favored by Allah and preferred above all creatures” (2:47). As Somalis, we should be grateful to Israel for being the FIRST country to recognize us as an independent state in 1960 when the Arabs were shying away to recognize our independence! The claim that Israel is our enemy and Arabs our friends is a shameful one supported neither by the Qur’an nor by history. Hadal iyo caaaba waa la wadaagaa (ee lama tiro!)

Ball Tanna Ka Warrama? Islamic Extremists Kill Somali Christian as Fifth Believer Martyred in Somalia in the Last Nine Mont Source: http://www.assistnews.net Date: 2008-07-29 By Michael Ireland Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service SOMALIA (ANS) -- Islamic extremists shot and killed a Muslim convert to Christianity on July 10, 2008 in Afgyoye, a town 18 miles away from Mogadishu, Somalia's capital. The victim's name was Sayid Ali Sheik Luqman Hussein, and he was 28 years old. ICC (International Christian Concern) http://www.persecution.org says that on Tuesday, July 8, two Muslim men approached Mr. Hussein and asked him if he faces Mecca when he prays (Mohammed instructed his followers to face the city of Mecca when they pray). Hussein told them that as a Christian, he does not have to face a specific direction to pray because God is omnipresent. The two Muslim men returned on July 10th armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and a semi-automatic handgun and shot Hussein to death. ICC says Hussein's wife went into premature labor and delivered a stillborn baby upon hearing of her husband's murder. According to ICC, Hussein came to Christ from Islam in 2004. He grew in his faith and started to evangelize in the community in which he was working as a teacher. Hussein's pastor described him as the most effective evangelist in his area. One of Hussein's students described him as the godliest man he has ever met. Recently, Islamic extremists have intensified their attacks against Christians in Somalia. In the past nine months alone, five Christians, including Hussein, have been martyred for their faith. The other four martyrs are: David Abdulwahab Mohamed Ali, Da'ud Ali, Mohamed Yusuf and Hassan Mo'alim. ICC's regional manger for Africa, Jonathan Racho, stated, "Somali Christians are paying the ultimate price for their faith in Jesus Christ. Despite the spike in persecution they face, they have chosen to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to the point of death. Christians should continue to pray and support their brothers and sisters in Somalia." To learn more about the needs of Somali Christians and how you can help them, please contact ICC. ICC is a Washington-DC based human rights organization that exists to help persecuted Christians worldwide. ICC delivers humanitarian aid, trains and supports persecuted pastors, raises awareness in the US regarding the problem of persecution, and is an advocate for the persecuted on Capitol Hill and the State Department. Source: http://www.christiansincrisis.net/content/view/2277/2/

LAGAMAMAARMAANNIMADEEDAAS = 25 letters Lagamamaarmaannimadeedaas ayaa keentay in aan la iibin. Originally posted by muraad: Hello, Nomads can anyone help to find the longest somali word? so far i found this word. LAGAMAMAARMAANNIMADEEDA . = 23 letters with sentence it sounds like this: lagamamaarmaannimadeeda ayaa kentay in dib loogu soo celiyo meeshii laga qaaday. P.S. it should be more than 23 letterss, one word and pls give as an example with sentence. .................................. CIIIIIIIIIIID WANAAAAAAAAAAGSAN

Islamic Extremists Kill Somali Christian as Fifth Believer Martyred in Somalia in the Last Nine Months Date: 2008-07-29 By Michael Ireland Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service SOMALIA (ANS) -- Islamic extremists shot and killed a Muslim convert to Christianity on July 10, 2008 in Afgyoye, a town 18 miles away from Mogadishu, Somalia's capital. The victim's name was Sayid Ali Sheik Luqman Hussein, and he was 28 years old. ICC (International Christian Concern) www.persecution.org says that on Tuesday, July 8, two Muslim men approached Mr. Hussein and asked him if he faces Mecca when he prays (Mohammed instructed his followers to face the city of Mecca when they pray). Hussein told them that as a Christian, he does not have to face a specific direction to pray because God is omnipresent. The two Muslim men returned on July 10th armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and a semi-automatic handgun and shot Hussein to death. ICC says Hussein's wife went into premature labor and delivered a stillborn baby upon hearing of her husband's murder. According to ICC, Hussein came to Christ from Islam in 2004. He grew in his faith and started to evangelize in the community in which he was working as a teacher. Hussein's pastor described him as the most effective evangelist in his area. One of Hussein's students described him as the godliest man he has ever met. Recently, Islamic extremists have intensified their attacks against Christians in Somalia. In the past nine months alone, five Christians, including Hussein, have been martyred for their faith. The other four martyrs are: David Abdulwahab Mohamed Ali, Da'ud Ali, Mohamed Yusuf and Hassan Mo'alim. ICC's regional manger for Africa, Jonathan Racho, stated, "Somali Christians are paying the ultimate price for their faith in Jesus Christ. Despite the spike in persecution they face, they have chosen to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to the point of death. Christians should continue to pray and support their brothers and sisters in Somalia." To learn more about the needs of Somali Christians and how you can help them, please contact ICC. ICC is a Washington-DC based human rights organization that exists to help persecuted Christians worldwide. ICC delivers humanitarian aid, trains and supports persecuted pastors, raises awareness in the US regarding the problem of persecution, and is an advocate for the persecuted on Capitol Hill and the State Department. Source: http://www.christiansincrisis.net/content/view/2277/2/

Just wanted to say "hi". This has been an interesting debate. Blessings to you all. BW

Hibo, You said: “I don't differentiate between the Quran and the Sunnah coz to me they go hand in hand. A literature book and its dictionary.†Are you calling the Qur'an “a literature book"? I thought you believed that the Qur'an was kelimatulah? Furthermore, the Sunnah is more than a “dictionaryâ€. There things in the Sunnah that are not in the Qur’an like circumcision, etc. Also, the Qur’an clearly prohibits Hadeeth and Sunnah other than the Qur’an. In fact, The Qur’an alone is the true Hadeeth and the true Sunnah: “Bal si fiican u dhugo Aayadahan Quraanka ah: 1) Xadiis aan Quraanka aheyn ma rumeysantihiin? These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe? [45:6] 2) Xadiis aan Quraanka ahayn ma Keensateen? Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful. [52:34] Allahayow, waa kuwan kuu jawaabay mushrikiintiin 2) Sunne aan Sunnu-tu-Allah aheyn ma Raacdeen? Such is GOD's system throughout history, and you will find that GOD's system is unchangeable. [48:23]†You also said “If Jesus is the son of God as u refer to him, than why did your bible itself refer to him as Son of Mary? And how can the son of a Divine being ever have brothers? Subxana Allah Don't tell me its his half brothers, coz we all know the DNA matches....†Do you really have the DNA of that family or are you making things up as you go? Please substantiate your claims and show us the DNA! BW Source: http://somali.org/id96.htm

Hibo, You said “all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quranâ€. My question is: Are you denying the Sunnah? Do you know that the Qur’an is silent about exact times you should pray the obligatory prayers? I don’t know what you really mean the above generic claim that “all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quranâ€. Are you telling me that the Qur’an tells you the degree in which water is frozen? Or you “don’t need†to know that?! BW Originally posted by Hibo: quote:Originally posted by Brother Warsameh: “The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.†Sura 2:171. This passage reminds me how many fellow Somalis react when I tell them about the Messiah. They sound devoid of wisdom. They do not hear or reason. Brother Warsameh We are told in our Quran and by our Prophet PBUH that our religion has been completed for us and all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quran. So we don't need to listen or even consider a Kufar like urself. But surely we are told to debate so that we may try to save u from the flames of Hell. Warsame: Mark 6:3 - Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. If Jesus is the son of God as u refer to him, than why did your bible itself refer to him as Son of Mary? And how can the son of a Divine being ever have brothers? Subxana Allah Don't tell me its his half brothers, coz we all know the DNA matches.... How can you not be moved when u read or hear this? ÙَلْيَنظÙر٠الْإÙنسَان٠إÙÙ„ÙŽÙ‰ طَعَامÙÙ‡@ أَنَّا صَبَبْنَا الْمَاء صَبّاً@ Ø«Ùمَّ شَقَقْنَا الْأَرْضَ شَقّاً@ Ùَأَنبَتْنَا ÙÙيهَا حَبّاً@ وَعÙنَباً وَقَضْباً@ وَزَيْتÙوناً وَنَخْلاً@ وَحَدَائÙÙ‚ÙŽ غÙلْباً@ ÙˆÙŽÙَاكÙهَةً وَأَبّاً@ مَّتَاعاً لَّكÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙأَنْعَامÙÙƒÙمْ@ ÙÙŽØ¥Ùذَا جَاءت٠الصَّاخَّةÙ@ يَوْمَ ÙŠÙŽÙÙرّ٠الْمَرْء٠مÙنْ Ø£ÙŽØ®ÙيهÙ@ ÙˆÙŽØ£ÙمّÙه٠وَأَبÙيهÙ@ وَصَاحÙبَتÙه٠وَبَنÙيهÙ@ Ù„ÙÙƒÙلّ٠امْرÙئ٠مّÙنْهÙمْ يَوْمَئÙذ٠شَأْنٌ ÙŠÙغْنÙيهÙ@ÙˆÙجÙوهٌ يَوْمَئÙذ٠مّÙسْÙÙرَةٌ@ ضَاحÙÙƒÙŽØ©ÙŒ مّÙسْتَبْشÙرَةٌ@ ÙˆÙŽÙˆÙجÙوهٌ يَوْمَئÙذ٠عَلَيْهَا غَبَرَةٌ@ تَرْهَقÙهَا قَتَرَةٌ@ Ø£ÙوْلَئÙÙƒÙŽ Ù‡Ùم٠الْكَÙَرَة٠الْÙَجَرَة٠U can't possibly think that these words are human words... When we have a God that speaks to us like that and a Prophet that was exceptional in everything, I don't think we can ever be in doubt So don't expect Muslims to hear ur desperate voice....We got something no human can have " THE QURAN".

Brother Nur, I enjoyed the humor at the foot of your post! Here is my response: 1. I sympathize with you in your frail attempt to understand God because I do not claim to understand the Creator of the universe. Our minds are finite and God is infinite. All we know about God is what he revealed to us and that should be enough. No human mind can analyze God as we analyze an atom. Those who want to understand God by mathematical means are doomed to fail. 2. You wrote: “Allah said KUN to everything he created, so does that make all his words of KUN to which he said to all creatures including the Fire of Abraham , Divine?†Nur, I am not talking about the creation that came to being because of the Word of God, KUN. I am talking about the KUN (Logos) that accomplishes the creation. The Qur’an says: “Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is†Sura 3:47b. “Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.†Sura 19:35b. This “BE†(KUN) by whom all things were created is the Word of God that the Bible talks about: “For by him [KUN] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.†Colossians 1:16. Therefore, what is divine is NOT the creation but the Creator who created everything by his Word, KUN. 3. Yes, Jesus is the Messiah and the Word of God, KUN. The Qur’an bears witness to this: “When the angel said: Mary, God gives you a good news of a Word from Him whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary - high honored shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God.†Sura 3;45. Nur, what other evidence do you need if your Qur’an answers the question you asked me? 4. I have already assumed that your Arabic is superior to mine; I was just poking fun at your Egyptian dialect! Furthermore, I am NOT misleading anyone from worshipping God. I am calling everyone, including Muslims, to worship the God who sent the Messiah, his Word, to the world for the redemption of humanity. 5. I appreciate the time you took to quote the Nicene Creed. Please be advised that the Nicene Creed is NOT the Word of God but human endeavor to understand God. My Faith is not based on this creed but on the Word of God, the Messiah. You commented that we Christians worship more than one God. Listen to the Bible. It is the most reliable source of information if you want to understand the God we worship: “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.†(Mark 12:29). “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.†(Deuteronomy 6:4) The Nicene Creed also supports this: “We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.†Nur, FYI, the word “BEGOTTEN is poor translation. You will not see it in modern translations of the Bible. God, Spirit and Word are NOT three gods. The Qur’an refers to the Messiah as Spirit and Word—does that mean the Qur’an teaches three gods?! Do you see how your logic doesn’t hold water? Nur, please, do not make fun of the Word of God and do not try to decipher God as you would a mathematical problem. Do you recall this passage from the Qur’an? “The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.†Sura 2:171. This passage reminds me how many fellow Somalis react when I tell them about the Messiah. They sound devoid of wisdom. They do not hear or reason. Brother Warsameh

Brother Nur, You wrote: “Also explain which part of JESUS DIED iF he was fully God and Himan at the same time.†I explained this in the forum you deleted earlier. Let me summarize what I said: The incarnated Word of God died on the cross an atoning death. Death is simply separating the spirit from the body. No human can kill our spirits but the body alone. This should not be a difficult concept for you to accept because Islam agrees with our Scriptures which bear witness to that. Let me know if you need biblical/Qur’an references. I will happily supply them. Hope this helps. Brother Warsameh

Walaal Hibo, The Word “Trinity†is not in the Bible; it was coined by an African Theologian and apologist named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertullianus (Tertullian) c.160–c.230. However the concept he tried to convey in the word he coined is solidly biblical. Here is what the concept of “Trinity†is in Somali: Ilaah waa nool yahay (xayi). Ilaahaas xayiga ah Ruuxiisa lama abuurin oo ma ahan benu’aadam ileyn waa Ruuxii Eebbaha nool ee xayiga ahe. Ilaah wuxuu leeyahay Eray, KUN (faya kun) uu wax balba oo jira uu ku abuuray. Eraygaas isaga ah lama abuurin mana ahan benu’aadam ileyn waa Eraygii Eebbaha oo dhanne. “Trinity†waxaa weeye marka: Ilaah, Ruuxiisa iyo Eraygiisa. Warkaas ma cad yahay, walaal? FYI, I am not a fan of the word "Trinity" because it confuses people more than the concept it was supposed to convey. You said “As for the Quranic Suras When allah revealed a surah, and people misinterpretted it as u are doing, he revealed another one which is much clearer to remove any kind of misguidance... that is what my brotha Nur means to say.†Your above understanding of the Qur’an is bidco, to be honest! Are you SURE you are interpreting for Nur and not interjecting your street-level theology? I can’t wait to hear from Nur! Brother Warsameh F.G. Waxaan filayaa in aan ka jawaabay dhammaan su’aalahaagii. Haddii aan ka booday mid ama laba, fadlan i xusuusi.

Xiinfaniin, War ninka caraadinta ka daa wuu ku caqli dhaamaaye! Haddii taada lagu soconayo Somaliaonline waxay xiligan ahaan lahayd SomaliaOFFline! Adiga ma keligi talis baa tahay, caana hele?! Adiga afkaaga qabso ama dooda ka soo qaybgal waayo Nuur nin la caraadiyo waa ka weyn yahaye! BW

WALAAL Hibo! It is not your mother alone who doesn't want to accept me as a somali because of my Faith! I met fellow Somalis face to face and spoke to them in Somali and they all tried to come up with reasons that I was "less than a Somali"! Can we really blame such people when many of us believe that "to be a Somali is to be a Muslim"! Waa iga intaas maanta. Brother Warsameh Originally posted by Hibo: Hadaad, adaa mudan aboowihiis.... horta kalmada soomaliga ah waxey ku xirantahay hadba meesha aad joogtid iyo sida loo isticmaalo.. laakiinse waxaa jirta.. luqad soomaliyeed oo dadka oo dhan ka dhaxeysa... marka.. Warsameh.. ta uu ku hadlo waa the national Somali language.... taas ayaa kaliftey in aad ku yara dawaqdo... anyways hada waa kastay maahinoo;).. Its amazing really.. maalinba maalinta ka dambeyso Soomaligeyga waa improve garoobaa... I would suggest u read gabayada soomaliyeed.. ur somali will improve tremendously... Warsameh I told my mom about you, and she seems to be thinking like the rest of other somalis, that u ain't a Somali. Rather gaal la soo diray oo loo soo diray in uu dadka soomaliyeed ee claim gareeya 100% in ay muslimiin yihiin in uu gaaleeyo ama uu ka dhaadhiciyo in aysan 100% Muslim aheyn.. Ma dhici kartaa? Just wondering I haven't still joined my people on this I have to give it a thought dee... this is cyber who knows...

Brother Nur, Good to hear from you after a long silence! I really like dialoging with you THOUGH I would like a neutral forum where you cannot delete threads when you don’t like them! Having said, you are the most knowledgeable in the Christian Faith and in Islam as well in this forum and that is why I like reasoning with you. In response to your post: 1. Sura 4:15a You are alluding to the abrogation theory in this passage (Sura 4:15) but I shy away to say that any part of the Qur’an is cancelled because of the following passages from the Qur’an: “Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and Justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.†Sura 6:115. “There is no changing the Words of Allah.†Sura 10:64. Though Sura 4:15 talks about a “venueâ€, it also talks about “life behind bars†BEFORE talking about the “venueâ€. 2. “(Yaa ghareeb, kun adeeb)†I do not see myself as “qariib†(standard Arabic); I feel at home! Or are you calling me “ghareeb†because of my Faith? 3. â€If you desire an honest debate, and are willing not to twist verses out of their context, nor post maliciously half truths like the case of the Trinity in which you posted the first part of the Nicene Creed that is in line with Muslim faith and ommitted the most damaging and the longest part, ….†First of all, it is not the Nicene Creed that is inline with the Qur’an as you claim but it is the Qur’an that is inline with the Nicene Creed (A.D. 325). Do you see this logic? Because the Nicene Creed is much older than the Qur’an! I quoted the portion of the Nicene Creed that applied to the topic in question. The issue we were talking about was that we Christians do not believe in three gods as you alleged. I will reproduce below the full context of my quote. The audience is our judge: Begins quote: You quoted Sura Al Maedah which you claim is addressed to Christians: â€72 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. 73 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.†Let us exegete this Sura with knowledge; it is addressed to a sectarian cult-like heretics who went astray from the true Christian Faith. This 2nd century Anti-Trinitarian sect is known names like Monarchian and Sabellians in the East and Patripassionists in the West because they believe that God (Yahweh) died on the cross! It is this sect that claims that Allah (God) is the Messiah . The adherents of the true Christian Faith are Trinitarians and we believe that God is NOT the Messiah and that the Messiah is not the Holy Spirit, so on and so forth . It is this sect, also known as Jesus Only, that teaches such heresy! We Christians do NOT say “Allah is the third of threeâ€! We believe in one God alone and NOT three: “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.†(Mark 12:29). “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.†(Deuteronomy 6:4) Furthermore, we do NOT ascribe partners to God for he is ONE mighty and worthy of worship. The Nicene Creed also says: “We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.†Ends quote. Brother Warsameh

Walaal Hibo, I didn’t have to start a new thread but the only remaining thread in this connection was deleted just like the previous one! You first used "judge" and you seem to say now that you meant "judgmental" which is fine with me. I am impressed with your knowledge of the Bible! Why did you say “Please provide the evidence in the Quran� Are you Qur’ani? Don’t you believe in the Sunnah as well? One evidence: In Islam, if a woman commits adultery her punishment is LIFE BEHIND BARS: “Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die†Sura 4:15a. According to you, does this involve judgment? The Muslim witnesses must certainly say “you have committed adultery†and another Muslim must say what the judgment is—life behind bars! That is how the woman is sentenced! You also said “I can only judge if I am completely pious, and sinless.†Do you really believe that, In Islam, you can ever be sinless? Does Islam teach Muslims can be sinless? It certainly teaches the contrary? Do you also need a Qur’an only evidence here?! Brother Warsameh

Ducaqabe, "Kibir waa lagu kufaa" is NOT an original Somali proverb. This is a verse from the Bible. It is "pride comes before fall" (Proverb 16:18). Bal hadda yaa labadeenna "gaalnimo" faafinaya?! Ducaqabe, hadda in la is dacweeyo miyay kaa maraysaa? War ducaqabe joog, awal ayaa ul booc ah la igugu kutubayee!! "Qura" waa ay ku fakatay xaddiiskiiye kas ma ahayn ku darideedda oo qoraal ah. Balse xaddiisku markuu leeyahay "Waxaa Muslim ah qofkii afkiisa iyo gacantiisa laga nabad helo" waxaa meeshaas ka cad in qofkii afkiisa iyo gacantiisa laga nabad geli waayo uusan Muslim ahayn! Waxaa marka sahal u muuqanaysa in erayga "qura" uu ku jiro xaddiiska macne ahaan balse uusan ahayn qoraal. Brother Warsameh Originally posted by Ducaqabe: Warsameh, easy for foreigners to pronounse with h?? Isma dhihin. War-same means "war-san-sheege" ama qof wax same (kheyr) ah soo sheega. I don't think you're here to tell us "wax kheyr" ah but you can name yourself what you wish. Warsameh, don't use that Xadiid. You're not Mu'min. Xadiis leexiska joogi. Islam isn’t a tool to satisfy your arguments. Post-gaagii hore waxaad soo daliishatay xadiis leh "muslimka waa kan afkiisa iyo adinkiisa laga nabad galaa" balse adiga waxaad raacisay "qura". You ignored my question but I'm asking you again. Ka jawaab. Ma jahli ayaa kuu geeyey mise wax qaloocis? Hibo & Other bro/sis: Warsameh isn't on SOL to learn Islam or to have a good meaningful debate. He's here to get attention and/or confuse some of us. If I'm right this guy claims he became Murtad in 1986 that's 19 years ago. Most of us aren't that old. I think he is a grown man and any grown man should not be behind a screen posting religious questions with the intention of confusing. If his intentions are to debate, he should go down to the nearest mosque and request a meeting with the Imaam. Admin should not allow Warsmeh to throw misinterpreted hadith here and there and run away & ignore the questions members ask him. I am requesting that administrators should challenge this guy and not allow him to post anything relating to religion. He's obsessed with gaalanimo. He may participate other discussion as long as he doesn't bring up religion. If admins put this in place, Warsameh will eventually run away because he’s preoccupied with gaalnimo and can’t abstain from it.

Walaal Hibo, To address your questions: 1. I prefer NOT to share with you in this Forum why I abandoned my former Faith. Xaddiis ayaa oranaya “mu’minka god qura laba jeer lagama wada qaniino.†This thread will be deleted by a moderator once I disclose my reasons! Do you remember what happened to the “Islam – Christian Debate†thread? A Certain moderator did not like me sharing why I left my former Faith! I would rather share with you why decided to follow the Messiah if you want to know that. This will hopefully save this thread! 2. I added “h†to my name because it is easier for many foreigners to pronounce it; it is like spelling “Muhammad†with “h†instead of “xâ€-“Muxammad.†3. There are many Somali believers whose testimonies are written briefly. Furthermore, I use different sources to communicate. I use Islam sometimes here to strengthen my points because I am communicating with a Muslim group. It is all about contextualization. Brother Warsameh PS. You said “Its not in our place to jusgeâ€. If you don’t mind, “not to judge†anyone is NOT Islamic! The Qur’an and the Ahadeeth command Muslims to be “judgesâ€! Do you want the evidence from these two sources? Note to Warsame: This Forum serves exclusively Islam , as the banner reads, it is not an advertisement page For other purposes, this is your second attempt, third strike and its over. [ May 24, 2005, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Nur ]

Nomads Can anyone tell me the etymology of "Waris". Thank You Brother Warsameh

Salax u diin, You said: "can you stick your questions/ on the Islam-Christianity Forum!" My response is: The "Islam-Christianity Forum" was deleted by a moderator/admin! That is why I am forumless now wondering around! By the way, I just asked one question about the Qur'aniyiin and you call that a deceit? Brother Warsameh Originally posted by Salax u diin: Warsameh - enough with your deceats please! can you stick your questions/ on the Islam-Christianity Forum! Wa'Salaam!

What do you think of those called Qur'aaniyiin? There are Muslims who reject all traditions (axadeeth) but keep the Qur'an alone as their source of guidance. Brother Warsameh

Walaal Dirir Soomaalida doonaysaa in ay ila hadlaan faraha ayay ka bateen. Runtii wakhti uma hayo aan ugu jawaabo qof walba. Taas waan ka xumahay. Dood wadaagga Nuur iyo aniga na dhex maraysa la soco. Waxaan fili in jawaabtaasi ku deeqdo. Brother Warsameh

XISBI KIRISHTAAN AH OO LAGA DIIDAY IN LAGA DIIWAAN GELIYO SOMALILAND. Waxaa si weyn looga hadal hayaa magaalada Burco oo ka tirsan goboka Tog-dheer in lagu hungoobay mar kale in lagu soo dgex qaldo xisbi kirishtaan ah oo laga diiday in laga diiwan geliyo Somaliland Sannadkii 1991-kii Xisbiga Kirishtaanka . Xisbigaas oo dano gaar ah aga lahaa ayeey iska diiden dadweynaha Soomaaliland oo 100% muslim ah kooxaha xisbigaas u ololeeya ayaa dadaal ka wada gudaha Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland iyo dibeddaba C/fitaax Maxamed Salaad (Diyeeshe) Gobanimo.com, Mogadishu-Somalia Source: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:DoQcbmxTRdgJ:www.gobanimo.com/Aqoonsi.htm+kirishtaan&hl=en

Rumaysadkayga Sayid Ciise Masiix Brother Warsameh bwarsameh@yahoo.com “Runtii kuli inta doonaysaa in ay si cibaado leh Ciise Masiix ugu noolaadaan waa la silcin doonaa†2 Timoteyos 3:12 Reerka aan ka Dhashay Waxaan ka dhashay reer Soomaaliyeed oo ehelu diin ah aniga oo ku dhashay tuulo yar oo ku taal Galbeedka Soomaaliya. Waxaan ahay Soomaali aan carna isku rogin. Waalidkey waxay ahaayeen reer guuraa xoolo dhaqato ah. Waxaa guri innoo ahaa aqal Soomaali yar. Waxaan xusuustaa caruurnimadaydii aniga oo awr bacadle ah dusha ka saaran hooyana ay hoggaanka u hayso iyada oo weliba igu maaweelinaysa heeso caruureedyo wanaagsan. Markii aan jiray uun dhowr isbuuc ayaa waxaa i gardaadiyey nin si weyn deegaanka oo dhan looga yiqiin aadna looga baqi jiray. Ninkan oo aan “Shabeel†ugu yeeri doono ayaa iga soo dhuftay gacmihii aabbahay oo markaa horay iyo dib iila car caray isaga oo igu leh “Sidaan yeelo yeel, saantayda qaad.†Qaar raggii tuulada ka mid ahaa ayaa kolkaa rasaas cirka u ganay haweenkiina way mashxaradeen si ay ugu damaashaadaan munaasabaddan muhiimka ah. Eebbe ayaan ka nabad galay in aan raaco raadka “Shabeel†ama sidiisa oo kale u dhaqmo. Ninku wuxuu ahaa mid aysan xalaashu iyo xaraantu u kala soocnayn; wuxuu ahaa nin gacan fudud oo dagaal badan in kastuu dad badana geesi u ahaa. Aniga yaraantaydii ma aanan ahayn wiil Soomaali reer guuraa ah sidii lagu yaqaanay. Waxaan ahaa mid aan isla weynayn oo nabadda jecel. Hooyaday ayaa tan dhibsatay. Alla imisa jeer ayaan dhegahayga ku maqlay iyada oo ku calaacalaysa “war wiilkan iyo ninkii gardaadiyay bal isu eega, xaggee masiibadu ka timidâ€! Sida aan la soconaba wiilasha reer miyiga waxaa lagu ababiyaa iyaga oo yar in ay libaaxyo yaryar noqdaan. Dhawr jeer ayaan isku daday inanimadaydii in aan libaax yar oo kale iska dhigo bal si aan hooyo uga farxiyo balse kuma guulaysan! Markii aan yaraa waan feker dheeraa maskaxna badnaa. Waxaan su’aalo ka keeni jiray “waxa sidan loo yeelo oo sidan loo yeeli waayay.†Waxaan dood ka jeedin jiray diinta Islaamka iyo dhaqanka Soomaalida oo ay galdaloolo iiga muuqdeen. Wakhtigaas isaga ah iguma jirin in aan isaga baxo diinta Islaamka in kasta oo caruurta kale ay iigu yeeri jirieen magacyo ay ka mid yihiin “baadariâ€, “Kirishtaan†iwm. Ciyaalka xaafada aniga ayay ii man jireen marka ay fekero xeel dheer doonayaan waxayna u tegi jireen walaalkayga dagaalka badan marka ay doonayeen in ay libaaxyo yaryar iska dhigaan. Waxaan ku soo koray waxna ku soo bartay Muqdishu. Dugsiga sare waxaan ku soo dhameeyay Xamar aniga oo halkaasna ka soo shaqeeyay. Aabbahay wuxuu ahaa wadaad aad loo xusheemyo loona qadariyo waxaana intaas u dheeraa isaga oo jilibka aan ka dhashay u ahaa hoggaamiye dhaqameed. Aabbahay wuxuu ahaa xaafidul Qur’aan aad u fidin jiray diinta. Aabbahay aad ayuu ii baray diinta Islaamka isaga oo damacsanaa in aan noqdo wadaad isaga oo kale ah xilkiisana aan la wareego marka wakhtigiisu dhamaado. Shaki la’aan lama uusan socon in aan mar uun noqon doono Masiixi raaca Sayid Ciise Masiix fidiyana Injiilkiisa tawbadkeenka iyo badbaadada. Sida Rabbigu ii Hanuuniyey Maadaama uu Qur’aanku wanaag badan ka sheego Sayid Ciise Masiix ayaan go’aansaday in aan barto Masiixa iyo risaaladiisaba. Waxaan gacanta ku dhigay Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah (Holy Bible) oo ku turjunnaa af Ingiriis. Waxaan aabbahay la wadaagay xiisahayga sii kordhaya ee aan u hayay Sayid Ciise Masiix iyo tuhunka iga sii gelaya sheegashada Maxamed ee ah in uu yahay nebigii ugu dambeeyay ee Eebbe soo diray. Aabbahay wuxuu iigu hanjabay in uu nafta iga qaadi doonaa haddii aan mar kale sidan oo kale aan wax uga sheego “nebi†Maxamed iyo Islaamkaba. Saddex sanno kadib oo aan baranayay Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah ayaa Rabbigu i hanuuniyey hanuun cad sannadku markuu ahaa 1986. Dhowr aayad oo ku yaala Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah ayaa si gaar ah ii taabtay sida “wacdigii Ciise dadka ku wacdiyey markuu buurta joogay†oo laga heli karo Matayos 5-7. Run ahaantii waxaa aad ii raali geliyey Kitaabka guud ahaantiis iyo runta risaalada uu sido. Waan xusuustaa maalintii aan Rabbiga isu dhiibay oo aan tawbad keenay aniga oo rumaystay Masiixiisa qaatayna Injiilkiisa. Idaacadda Codka Nolosha Cusub ayaa ee Nairobi, Kenya, ayaa aad iiga caawisay sidii aan si qoto dheer ugu fahmi lahaa una baran lahaa iimaankayga cusub. Rabbigu wuxuu isticmaalay dad ka wacdiya idaacado bal si aan u garto mugdiga aan ku noolaa una fahmo baahida aan u qabo badbaadadiisa. Horay ayaan u ogaa in aanan marnaba badbaadadayda shaqaysan karaynin balse sida lagu helo deeqda badbaadada Eebbe lama aanan socon. Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah ayaan ka bartay in waxa keliya ee la iga doonayaa si aan u badbaado ay uun tahay aniga oo tawbad keena rumaystana Sayid Ciise Masiix. Waxaa halkaas iiga haray diin hal xiraale ah iyo welwelkii aan ka qabay bal janno ama naar midda aan ku dambayn doono marka wakhtigaygu dhamaado. Sayid Ciise Masiix waxaan ka helay badbaado sugan oo hubanti ah. Idaacadda Codka Nolosha Cusub oo laga soo baahiyo Seychelles ayaa aad iiga gargaartay barashada Kitaabka. Idaacaddani waxay ii soo dirtay buugaag iyo kutub iyo qalab kale oo iga kaalmeeyay barashada Kitaabka. Intii aanan si weji ka weji ah ula kulmin Masiixi kale oo aan Rabbiga la caabudo kalana faa’iideysanno, CNC ayaa ii ahayd isha iigu muhiimsan ee koritaanka iimaankayga. Markii aan ka maqlay CNC dad Soomaaliyeed oo ku hadlaya afkayga hooyo ayay i gashay farxad weyn iyo dhiiranaani waayo waxaa ii sii cadaatay in ay jiraan Soomaali kale oo Masiixiyiin ah. Reerkaygu aad ayuu uga naxay markii aan noqday Masiixi. Waxaan xusuustaa hooyaday oo naar iiga digaysa kadib markii aan la wadaagay in aan Masiixi noqday. Waxaan hooyo u sheegay in aan helay Injiilkii nebi Ciise oo ay culumadeennu innoogu sheekeeyaan in uu lumay waa hore! Waxaan dabadeed tusiyay Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah oo dhan aniga oo u sheegayna in Tawreed iyo Sabuurna ay halkaa ku jiraan. Hooyaday aad ayay iiga xumaatay waana ii carootay oo waxayba u qaadatay in aan caasi noqday. Qaar ka mid ah qaraabadayda ayaa aad ii colaadiyey oo ii fafakanay si ay ii wax yeelayaan. Markii hore waxay moodayeen in aan yara waashay balse markii ay hubsadeen in aan jinni ka fayoobahay ayay aad ii colaadiiyeen iiguna hanjabeen dil iwm. Waxaan ku adkaystay caqiidadayda cusub iyo xornimada aan ka helay Masiixa iskutallaabta ku dhintay kadibna dhimashada ka soo sara kacay si uu demiyadeenna innooga cafiyo una helno badbaado. Ehelkayga iyo saaxiibadaydiiba waxaan u sharraxay sababta aan u doortay Sayid Ciise Masiix una diiday Maxamed. Hadal maa aan badine arrintii ayaan toos u abaaray beerkana uga dhacay; waxaan u sheegay in aanan rumasynayn in Eebbe nebi ka soo daba diray Sayid Ciise Masiix si nebigaasi u keeno risaalo cusub oo qilaafsan tii hore. Ehelkayga ayaa ugu dambayntii i deyriyey iina sheegay in aan guriga uga tago oo aan aragooda dhaafo.Waxaa ii colloobay saaxiibadaydii waxaana iga goostay ehelkii oo dhan. Waxaan ku dhawaaday in aan waayo shaqadaydii sababo la xiriira rumaysadkayga Sayid Ciise Masiix. Sida aan la soconaba dadkeennu ma fahamsana diinta Masiixiga weligoodna Kitaabka Qudduuska Ah ma akhriyin. Soomaalidu waxayba moodayaan in Masiixinimada iyo gaalnimadu ay isku mid yihiin! Ugu dambeyntii waan la heshiiyey reerkaygii iyo ehelkii oo dhanba kadib markii “gaalnimadii†ay filayeen ay iiga muuqan weyday. Anigu waxaan horay u ahaa Muslim nadiif ah oo aad u toosan edeb iyo anshaxna lagu yiqiin. Tayooyinkaygaas wanaagsani waa uun sii kordheen markii aan hanuunay. Ehelkaygu waa rumaysan waayay in wanaag mooyee aan waxa dhib ahi iiga imman caqiidadayda cusub. Anigu weligay ma yeelan balwad ha ahaato sigaar ama qaad ama wasx ka sii fool xunba. Waxaa mahad leh Eebbaha aniga sidan ii dhawray. Silcin Inkastoo aan Masiixi noqday 1986 lama aanan kulmin wax Masiixiyiin kale ah illaa 1992. Raadiye yar oo aan lahaa ayaa ii ahaa halka keliya ee aan caqiidada ka kororsado. Si degdeg ah ayay arrimuhu isu bedeleen 1992 markaas oo aan la kulmay Soomaali Masiixi ah. Islaan aad loo jeclaa oo u dhalatay Sweden ayaa isku keen bartay Liibaan magaalkada Muqdisho. Waan garanayay Liibaan balse weligey ma ogayn in uu Masiixi ahaa oo imaankiisa wuu qarsan jiray cabsi darted. Liibaan iyo anigu waxaan kiniisad yar oo guri ku kulanta ka aasaasnay Muqdishu 1993. Liibaan iyo aniga ayaa wadajir kiniisadaas yar wadaaddo uga ahayn. Horraantii 1994 waxaan gaarnay 14 xubnood. Xeero iyo fandhaal waxay kala dhaceen 1994 markii la ogaaday in koox yar oo sii koraysa Masiixiyiinna ahi ay kiniinsad ka samaysteen meel xaafadooda ah. Waa markaas markii silciska runta ahi bilowday. Liibaan ayaa ahaa shahiidkii ugu horreeyay; waxaa la toogtay subax hore isaga oo sii shaqo tegayo. Liibaan wuxuu ahaa kalkaaliye caafimaad. Dr. Goobe oo aad looga yiqiin Muqdishu ayaa isna ku xigay; Goobe waxaa la toogtay habeen isaga oo ka soo baxay rug caafimaad oo uu ka shaqaynayay. Maydkiisa oo rasaas badani ku taal ayaa aroortii la helay. Waxaa isna la afduubay kadibna la dilay Maxamed Xaaji oo bare ka ahaan jiray Jaamacadda Ummadda Soomaaliyeed. Xaajigu wuxuu wax ku soo bartay Canada wuxuuna ahaa xilligii la dilayay samafale aad loo jeclaa. Waxaa isna la dilay Sheekh Doon oo lala toogtay xaaskiisii Muslimadda ahayd kadib markii qolo hubaysani u soo dhacday habeen iyaga oo hurda. Nasiib wanaag caruurtooda ayaa ka badbaaday rasaastii la huwiyay waalidkood xilli ayba hurdayeen. Saleebaan ayaa ahaa isna Masiixi qaali ah oo shahiiday kadib markii qolooyin asal raac ahi kala degeen baskii uu saarnaa xilli uu ka soo baxay shaqadiisii oo uu ku soo jeeday gurigiisa. Waxaa Saleebaan la toogtay dharaar cad iyada oo ay arkayaan dadkii baska la saarnaa. Laba qof oo keliya ayaa ka badbaaday gawraca loola bareeray Masiixiyiinta Soomaaliyeed oo aan waxba galabsan—aniga iyo mid kale oo aanan magacaabi karayn. Gacan ku dhiigleyaalkii geystay dilalka ayaa maanta xornimo ku socda waddooyinka Muqdisho waana la garanaya kuwa ay yihiin. Eebbe ayaa la xisaabtami doona iyaga. Eebbe waa uu aqbalay shahiidiintaas iyaga oo ah runtii kuwo guulaystay waayo waxay daacad u ahaayeen sayid Ciise Masiix illaa dhimashada. Eebbe ayaa ku leh Kitaabkiisa “Illaa dhimashada aamin ahaw, anna waxaan ku siiin doonaa taajka nolosha†Muujintii 2:10b. Eebbe gacan ku dhiiglayaasha ha soo hanuuniyo hana noqdaan kuwo rumaysta Sayid Ciise Masiix illeyn sidaas oo keliya ayay ku liibaani karaane. Gebagebo Kadib markii isku dayo dhawr ah lagu sameeyay naftayda ayaan isaga tegay Soomaaliya oo aan u kcitimay waddan kale 1996. Waxaan halkaas ku biiray jaamacad aniga oo ka qalin jebiyaay 4 sanno kadib aniga oo qaatay shahaadada loo yaqaan Bachelor of Theology (B.Th.). Intii aan jaamacadda dhiganayay waxaan joogto u soo booqan jiray Soomaaliya si aan halkaas dadka ula qaybsado iimaankayga. Maanta waxaa dalkii ka jira kiniisado guriyeedyo badan oo ay hogaaminayaan mu’miniin aqoon iyo xigmad leh. Waxaan dhawaan ka qalin jebiyay Jaamacad kale aniga oo qaatay shahaadada loo yaqaan Master of Divinity (M.Div.). Waxaan ahay wadaad qaliifan oo u guntan ku noolaanshaha nolol qudduus ah iyo wacdinta dadkayga. Sannado dhawr ah ka hor ayaan wacdiyay curadkii “Shabeel†oo sidaas Masiixi ku noqday. Maanta ina “Shabeel†waa mid ka mid ah hogaamiyeyaasha kiniisadda Soomaaliyeed ugu caansan. Maanta waxaa jira Masiixiyiin Soomaaliyeed oo badan oo ku kala firirsan dunida oo idil iyo weliba kiniisado guriyeedyo. Masiixiyiintaas badankoodu waxay ku nool yihiin Bariga Afrika balse qaar badan ayaa u soo guuray Woqooyiga America iyo dalka Ingiriiska.