NGONGE, It is Allah's point of view as seen in the Qur'an only. By the way, Maraykanku wuxuu aqoonsiga Kosovo ku xumaynayay Ruushka! Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: Now I know I sound like a nut, but who in SOL would take this Warxume guy out of my face before I crack his corrupt cranium into pieces. Adeer, go with your sermons elsewhere. Halkan uguma taag hayno! Fork Israel! And all it stands for. If it recognised Somalia (with your partially true story), it was for its own strategic geopoillitical intersts. USA recognised Kosovo, but is it the friend of Muslims. Where is LST? Adderrow ninka si naga dheh dee? Those who act like gaalo (as many accused Marx) waa la baan gareynayaa, while Gaaladii LIVE'ka aheyd way joogaan! What a paradox!

Somalis are a break-away clan from the Oromo; we were once "Galla" together. Originally posted by S .o.l_AnalYst: In any form under RACE i write Somali cuz i am somali

The fact that there are modern day "Pharisees" in Israel does NOT negate this verse. You are implying that the meaning of Qur'anic verses change with circumstances on the ground! Yours is an interesting tasfeer! Which medressa did you go to?! Originally posted by Umm_Uthman: we should love what.who Allah loves and hate that/who Allah hates....

Clearly says that Allah chose the Jews above all other people including Arabs! "The children of Israel were favored by Allah and preferred above all creatures” (2:47). As Somalis, we should be grateful to Israel for being the FIRST country to recognize us as an independent state in 1960 when the Arabs were shying away to recognize our independence! The claim that Israel is our enemy and Arabs our friends is a shameful one supported neither by the Qur’an nor by history. Hadal iyo caaaba waa la wadaagaa (ee lama tiro!)

Ball Tanna Ka Warrama? Islamic Extremists Kill Somali Christian as Fifth Believer Martyred in Somalia in the Last Nine Mont Source: http://www.assistnews.net Date: 2008-07-29 By Michael Ireland Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service SOMALIA (ANS) -- Islamic extremists shot and killed a Muslim convert to Christianity on July 10, 2008 in Afgyoye, a town 18 miles away from Mogadishu, Somalia's capital. The victim's name was Sayid Ali Sheik Luqman Hussein, and he was 28 years old. ICC (International Christian Concern) http://www.persecution.org says that on Tuesday, July 8, two Muslim men approached Mr. Hussein and asked him if he faces Mecca when he prays (Mohammed instructed his followers to face the city of Mecca when they pray). Hussein told them that as a Christian, he does not have to face a specific direction to pray because God is omnipresent. The two Muslim men returned on July 10th armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and a semi-automatic handgun and shot Hussein to death. ICC says Hussein's wife went into premature labor and delivered a stillborn baby upon hearing of her husband's murder. According to ICC, Hussein came to Christ from Islam in 2004. He grew in his faith and started to evangelize in the community in which he was working as a teacher. Hussein's pastor described him as the most effective evangelist in his area. One of Hussein's students described him as the godliest man he has ever met. Recently, Islamic extremists have intensified their attacks against Christians in Somalia. In the past nine months alone, five Christians, including Hussein, have been martyred for their faith. The other four martyrs are: David Abdulwahab Mohamed Ali, Da'ud Ali, Mohamed Yusuf and Hassan Mo'alim. ICC's regional manger for Africa, Jonathan Racho, stated, "Somali Christians are paying the ultimate price for their faith in Jesus Christ. Despite the spike in persecution they face, they have chosen to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to the point of death. Christians should continue to pray and support their brothers and sisters in Somalia." To learn more about the needs of Somali Christians and how you can help them, please contact ICC. ICC is a Washington-DC based human rights organization that exists to help persecuted Christians worldwide. ICC delivers humanitarian aid, trains and supports persecuted pastors, raises awareness in the US regarding the problem of persecution, and is an advocate for the persecuted on Capitol Hill and the State Department. Source: http://www.christiansincrisis.net/content/view/2277/2/

LAGAMAMAARMAANNIMADEEDAAS = 25 letters Lagamamaarmaannimadeedaas ayaa keentay in aan la iibin. Originally posted by muraad: Hello, Nomads can anyone help to find the longest somali word? so far i found this word. LAGAMAMAARMAANNIMADEEDA . = 23 letters with sentence it sounds like this: lagamamaarmaannimadeeda ayaa kentay in dib loogu soo celiyo meeshii laga qaaday. P.S. it should be more than 23 letterss, one word and pls give as an example with sentence. .................................. CIIIIIIIIIIID WANAAAAAAAAAAGSAN

Islamic Extremists Kill Somali Christian as Fifth Believer Martyred in Somalia in the Last Nine Months Date: 2008-07-29 By Michael Ireland Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service SOMALIA (ANS) -- Islamic extremists shot and killed a Muslim convert to Christianity on July 10, 2008 in Afgyoye, a town 18 miles away from Mogadishu, Somalia's capital. The victim's name was Sayid Ali Sheik Luqman Hussein, and he was 28 years old. ICC (International Christian Concern) www.persecution.org says that on Tuesday, July 8, two Muslim men approached Mr. Hussein and asked him if he faces Mecca when he prays (Mohammed instructed his followers to face the city of Mecca when they pray). Hussein told them that as a Christian, he does not have to face a specific direction to pray because God is omnipresent. The two Muslim men returned on July 10th armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and a semi-automatic handgun and shot Hussein to death. ICC says Hussein's wife went into premature labor and delivered a stillborn baby upon hearing of her husband's murder. According to ICC, Hussein came to Christ from Islam in 2004. He grew in his faith and started to evangelize in the community in which he was working as a teacher. Hussein's pastor described him as the most effective evangelist in his area. One of Hussein's students described him as the godliest man he has ever met. Recently, Islamic extremists have intensified their attacks against Christians in Somalia. In the past nine months alone, five Christians, including Hussein, have been martyred for their faith. The other four martyrs are: David Abdulwahab Mohamed Ali, Da'ud Ali, Mohamed Yusuf and Hassan Mo'alim. ICC's regional manger for Africa, Jonathan Racho, stated, "Somali Christians are paying the ultimate price for their faith in Jesus Christ. Despite the spike in persecution they face, they have chosen to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to the point of death. Christians should continue to pray and support their brothers and sisters in Somalia." To learn more about the needs of Somali Christians and how you can help them, please contact ICC. ICC is a Washington-DC based human rights organization that exists to help persecuted Christians worldwide. ICC delivers humanitarian aid, trains and supports persecuted pastors, raises awareness in the US regarding the problem of persecution, and is an advocate for the persecuted on Capitol Hill and the State Department. Source: http://www.christiansincrisis.net/content/view/2277/2/

Just wanted to say "hi". This has been an interesting debate. Blessings to you all. BW

Hibo, You said: “I don't differentiate between the Quran and the Sunnah coz to me they go hand in hand. A literature book and its dictionary.†Are you calling the Qur'an “a literature book"? I thought you believed that the Qur'an was kelimatulah? Furthermore, the Sunnah is more than a “dictionaryâ€. There things in the Sunnah that are not in the Qur’an like circumcision, etc. Also, the Qur’an clearly prohibits Hadeeth and Sunnah other than the Qur’an. In fact, The Qur’an alone is the true Hadeeth and the true Sunnah: “Bal si fiican u dhugo Aayadahan Quraanka ah: 1) Xadiis aan Quraanka aheyn ma rumeysantihiin? These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe? [45:6] 2) Xadiis aan Quraanka ahayn ma Keensateen? Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful. [52:34] Allahayow, waa kuwan kuu jawaabay mushrikiintiin 2) Sunne aan Sunnu-tu-Allah aheyn ma Raacdeen? Such is GOD's system throughout history, and you will find that GOD's system is unchangeable. [48:23]†You also said “If Jesus is the son of God as u refer to him, than why did your bible itself refer to him as Son of Mary? And how can the son of a Divine being ever have brothers? Subxana Allah Don't tell me its his half brothers, coz we all know the DNA matches....†Do you really have the DNA of that family or are you making things up as you go? Please substantiate your claims and show us the DNA! BW Source: http://somali.org/id96.htm

Hibo, You said “all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quranâ€. My question is: Are you denying the Sunnah? Do you know that the Qur’an is silent about exact times you should pray the obligatory prayers? I don’t know what you really mean the above generic claim that “all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quranâ€. Are you telling me that the Qur’an tells you the degree in which water is frozen? Or you “don’t need†to know that?! BW Originally posted by Hibo: quote:Originally posted by Brother Warsameh: “The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.†Sura 2:171. This passage reminds me how many fellow Somalis react when I tell them about the Messiah. They sound devoid of wisdom. They do not hear or reason. Brother Warsameh We are told in our Quran and by our Prophet PBUH that our religion has been completed for us and all that we need to know is sealed in this Book of Quran. So we don't need to listen or even consider a Kufar like urself. But surely we are told to debate so that we may try to save u from the flames of Hell. Warsame: Mark 6:3 - Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. If Jesus is the son of God as u refer to him, than why did your bible itself refer to him as Son of Mary? And how can the son of a Divine being ever have brothers? Subxana Allah Don't tell me its his half brothers, coz we all know the DNA matches.... How can you not be moved when u read or hear this? ÙَلْيَنظÙر٠الْإÙنسَان٠إÙÙ„ÙŽÙ‰ طَعَامÙÙ‡@ أَنَّا صَبَبْنَا الْمَاء صَبّاً@ Ø«Ùمَّ شَقَقْنَا الْأَرْضَ شَقّاً@ Ùَأَنبَتْنَا ÙÙيهَا حَبّاً@ وَعÙنَباً وَقَضْباً@ وَزَيْتÙوناً وَنَخْلاً@ وَحَدَائÙÙ‚ÙŽ غÙلْباً@ ÙˆÙŽÙَاكÙهَةً وَأَبّاً@ مَّتَاعاً لَّكÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙأَنْعَامÙÙƒÙمْ@ ÙÙŽØ¥Ùذَا جَاءت٠الصَّاخَّةÙ@ يَوْمَ ÙŠÙŽÙÙرّ٠الْمَرْء٠مÙنْ Ø£ÙŽØ®ÙيهÙ@ ÙˆÙŽØ£ÙمّÙه٠وَأَبÙيهÙ@ وَصَاحÙبَتÙه٠وَبَنÙيهÙ@ Ù„ÙÙƒÙلّ٠امْرÙئ٠مّÙنْهÙمْ يَوْمَئÙذ٠شَأْنٌ ÙŠÙغْنÙيهÙ@ÙˆÙجÙوهٌ يَوْمَئÙذ٠مّÙسْÙÙرَةٌ@ ضَاحÙÙƒÙŽØ©ÙŒ مّÙسْتَبْشÙرَةٌ@ ÙˆÙŽÙˆÙجÙوهٌ يَوْمَئÙذ٠عَلَيْهَا غَبَرَةٌ@ تَرْهَقÙهَا قَتَرَةٌ@ Ø£ÙوْلَئÙÙƒÙŽ Ù‡Ùم٠الْكَÙَرَة٠الْÙَجَرَة٠U can't possibly think that these words are human words... When we have a God that speaks to us like that and a Prophet that was exceptional in everything, I don't think we can ever be in doubt So don't expect Muslims to hear ur desperate voice....We got something no human can have " THE QURAN".

Brother Nur, I enjoyed the humor at the foot of your post! Here is my response: 1. I sympathize with you in your frail attempt to understand God because I do not claim to understand the Creator of the universe. Our minds are finite and God is infinite. All we know about God is what he revealed to us and that should be enough. No human mind can analyze God as we analyze an atom. Those who want to understand God by mathematical means are doomed to fail. 2. You wrote: “Allah said KUN to everything he created, so does that make all his words of KUN to which he said to all creatures including the Fire of Abraham , Divine?†Nur, I am not talking about the creation that came to being because of the Word of God, KUN. I am talking about the KUN (Logos) that accomplishes the creation. The Qur’an says: “Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is†Sura 3:47b. “Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.†Sura 19:35b. This “BE†(KUN) by whom all things were created is the Word of God that the Bible talks about: “For by him [KUN] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.†Colossians 1:16. Therefore, what is divine is NOT the creation but the Creator who created everything by his Word, KUN. 3. Yes, Jesus is the Messiah and the Word of God, KUN. The Qur’an bears witness to this: “When the angel said: Mary, God gives you a good news of a Word from Him whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary - high honored shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God.†Sura 3;45. Nur, what other evidence do you need if your Qur’an answers the question you asked me? 4. I have already assumed that your Arabic is superior to mine; I was just poking fun at your Egyptian dialect! Furthermore, I am NOT misleading anyone from worshipping God. I am calling everyone, including Muslims, to worship the God who sent the Messiah, his Word, to the world for the redemption of humanity. 5. I appreciate the time you took to quote the Nicene Creed. Please be advised that the Nicene Creed is NOT the Word of God but human endeavor to understand God. My Faith is not based on this creed but on the Word of God, the Messiah. You commented that we Christians worship more than one God. Listen to the Bible. It is the most reliable source of information if you want to understand the God we worship: “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.†(Mark 12:29). “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.†(Deuteronomy 6:4) The Nicene Creed also supports this: “We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.†Nur, FYI, the word “BEGOTTEN is poor translation. You will not see it in modern translations of the Bible. God, Spirit and Word are NOT three gods. The Qur’an refers to the Messiah as Spirit and Word—does that mean the Qur’an teaches three gods?! Do you see how your logic doesn’t hold water? Nur, please, do not make fun of the Word of God and do not try to decipher God as you would a mathematical problem. Do you recall this passage from the Qur’an? “The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.†Sura 2:171. This passage reminds me how many fellow Somalis react when I tell them about the Messiah. They sound devoid of wisdom. They do not hear or reason. Brother Warsameh

Brother Nur, You wrote: “Also explain which part of JESUS DIED iF he was fully God and Himan at the same time.†I explained this in the forum you deleted earlier. Let me summarize what I said: The incarnated Word of God died on the cross an atoning death. Death is simply separating the spirit from the body. No human can kill our spirits but the body alone. This should not be a difficult concept for you to accept because Islam agrees with our Scriptures which bear witness to that. Let me know if you need biblical/Qur’an references. I will happily supply them. Hope this helps. Brother Warsameh

Walaal Hibo, The Word “Trinity†is not in the Bible; it was coined by an African Theologian and apologist named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertullianus (Tertullian) c.160–c.230. However the concept he tried to convey in the word he coined is solidly biblical. Here is what the concept of “Trinity†is in Somali: Ilaah waa nool yahay (xayi). Ilaahaas xayiga ah Ruuxiisa lama abuurin oo ma ahan benu’aadam ileyn waa Ruuxii Eebbaha nool ee xayiga ahe. Ilaah wuxuu leeyahay Eray, KUN (faya kun) uu wax balba oo jira uu ku abuuray. Eraygaas isaga ah lama abuurin mana ahan benu’aadam ileyn waa Eraygii Eebbaha oo dhanne. “Trinity†waxaa weeye marka: Ilaah, Ruuxiisa iyo Eraygiisa. Warkaas ma cad yahay, walaal? FYI, I am not a fan of the word "Trinity" because it confuses people more than the concept it was supposed to convey. You said “As for the Quranic Suras When allah revealed a surah, and people misinterpretted it as u are doing, he revealed another one which is much clearer to remove any kind of misguidance... that is what my brotha Nur means to say.†Your above understanding of the Qur’an is bidco, to be honest! Are you SURE you are interpreting for Nur and not interjecting your street-level theology? I can’t wait to hear from Nur! Brother Warsameh F.G. Waxaan filayaa in aan ka jawaabay dhammaan su’aalahaagii. Haddii aan ka booday mid ama laba, fadlan i xusuusi.

Xiinfaniin, War ninka caraadinta ka daa wuu ku caqli dhaamaaye! Haddii taada lagu soconayo Somaliaonline waxay xiligan ahaan lahayd SomaliaOFFline! Adiga ma keligi talis baa tahay, caana hele?! Adiga afkaaga qabso ama dooda ka soo qaybgal waayo Nuur nin la caraadiyo waa ka weyn yahaye! BW

WALAAL Hibo! It is not your mother alone who doesn't want to accept me as a somali because of my Faith! I met fellow Somalis face to face and spoke to them in Somali and they all tried to come up with reasons that I was "less than a Somali"! Can we really blame such people when many of us believe that "to be a Somali is to be a Muslim"! Waa iga intaas maanta. Brother Warsameh Originally posted by Hibo: Hadaad, adaa mudan aboowihiis.... horta kalmada soomaliga ah waxey ku xirantahay hadba meesha aad joogtid iyo sida loo isticmaalo.. laakiinse waxaa jirta.. luqad soomaliyeed oo dadka oo dhan ka dhaxeysa... marka.. Warsameh.. ta uu ku hadlo waa the national Somali language.... taas ayaa kaliftey in aad ku yara dawaqdo... anyways hada waa kastay maahinoo;).. Its amazing really.. maalinba maalinta ka dambeyso Soomaligeyga waa improve garoobaa... I would suggest u read gabayada soomaliyeed.. ur somali will improve tremendously... Warsameh I told my mom about you, and she seems to be thinking like the rest of other somalis, that u ain't a Somali. Rather gaal la soo diray oo loo soo diray in uu dadka soomaliyeed ee claim gareeya 100% in ay muslimiin yihiin in uu gaaleeyo ama uu ka dhaadhiciyo in aysan 100% Muslim aheyn.. Ma dhici kartaa? Just wondering I haven't still joined my people on this I have to give it a thought dee... this is cyber who knows...