^^^check the date before you take me head off and talk my ear off. i wz just wondering what happened to her. somaliniom concern

Plsssssssssssssss, if u ppl have seen a good looking guy that doesn't have those above bad qualities let me know..then I won't give up and instead I'll think maybe there is someone out there for me. i wonder if she found a nice guy, married the player and divorced by now. or married the ugly man and still having bad thoughts about how unattractive he is? or old and single :cool:

slander by tribal opponents of the cleric. seems like he was a victim to the people he was trying to help. may allah make it easy for him. ameen cheers

this is so funny. i guess men cannot measure up any more. i thought the guy who married the horse was crazy :rolleyes: this one is even worse

great idea. my university runs a e-mentoring programme where in your third year you are given a first year student to mentor on the same course as you. lets just say my one is at the pub al day and i have long stop e-mailing him but it is a great idea for those that wana make it work

I talked about Liberated women and expecting the thread to come with a substantial discussion..I talked about How women think they are liberated especially in the west and How best to Liberate our WOMEN. i think they have liberated themselves enough, what makes you think they need your help. First,You will agree with me that Everyone got a culture, religion, beliefs and style in life. and here you are imposing your life style, culture and interpretation of religion. :rolleyes: WESTERN LIBERATION: I argued that Many western families are not made up from structured families coz they don't follow their own religion..which is mainly christianity. this is not true according to stats. AN EXAMPLE OF MARRIAGE INSTITUTION: Normally Before patners get married..You expect a marriage ceremony and prayers coz afterall there will be a significant process for getting the generation to continue. it is old fashion to marry for kids only WOMEN in the west,mainly christians are LIBERATED coz they think by being free to do what she wants in life.She may go out to the clubs, she may dress the way she wants, she may disrespect her parents and ENJOY her life.So on and so forth.Now coz she thinks she has control over her LIFE, not only in the wast, that is a personality and has nothing to do with the west, everyone thinks they have certain levels of control over their life, regardless of western or non western Before Marriage she accepts to be TASTED..a man goes to length and TASTE the woman to see if she is fertile and tasty.The man find her NOT TASTY and leave her on the pretext that she in not the type of the WOMAN I WANT.He goes to find a new TASTE and she goes her way competing with all other women. Again this is common in muslim societies and in somali they even run away together, get "married" without their families blessings, then come back to have a wedding". in every society there are accepted norms of courtship which are practiced, people in muslims societies are just less open about it. She accepts she is sparated/divorced/Single. the most single/divorced and sparated happened to be the somalis :rolleyes: the number of single mothers in UK alone is astonishing, and they all accept it and move on with life.# The WOMAN/MAN may have a child before marriage.So the child becomes a WACEL.Some may contract HIV and STD's.Now this lady/man will go to someone else and do also the same and you find a different kind of culture we are not used to.Their whole generation is made up of this TASTY WOMEN and Illegal generations(WACEL)..Ilegal kids are born everywhere in the name of TASTING..different women..different wives..here and there.. this ^^ is more common in Africa than in western societies. The kid boy/girl grows up and finds himself/herself a TASTE also..he/she also tries to TASTE to see if the man/lady is fertile and ENJOY life..Meanwhile his parents Have no guts to talk. a normal cycle of life, for someone to grow up and is the same in any society. This is FREEDOM and liberation we are talking about.he/she gets another WACEL..so on and so forth. this is common in non western cultures also what is your point :confused: The society has in other words: No control from Elders including parents relatives or religious people. No religion.. No nothing..people have no respect to marriage institutions,people become desperate.don't pray.. and the likes. i am sure many will disagree with you and do not see the same thing as you. In the end, everyone has FREEDOM and is liberated.The whole society is composed of WACEL generation.Women have no problem walking semi-naked, Modelling and strippers are on the loose. and mostly used by Asian and Arab men who come all the way to experience this freedom, and pay large sums of money for porn channels. You have posted a long thread, repeating the same thing over and over again, highlighting problems that are a feature of western culture but which are also common in other cultures. you have taking and exaggerated relationships and norms of life and linked to issues which it has little if any correlation with. i think you must live in a cave, not connected to the rest of the world. you could have least Google a few "stats" you sound like you have never sat foot in western cultures, try you might like it, before you mock it

^^^so if Islam forbids something that’s the end of it, it should never be mentioned? don't be a hypocrite, there must be times, when you know something is forbidden in Islam but you close your eyes and run with it and even forget to ask forgiveness for it. We all know life is not as simple as "it is forbidden, let’s not mention it" As for the topic: i watched few programmes on it and swinging. although i think it is strange and immoral, it is not any worse that multiple partners, one night stands, 3somes, group sex, Gay sex or anything that involves more than 2people having sex privately. i don't see the difference. it is all the same, so why some of you people are shocked or categorizing it differently just because they happen to have said "i do" is silly. many of you would have dismissed the whole issue by now if they were not “married†couples participating. Maybe you should all remember that a Islamic marriage is not the same as a normal modern marriage, it does not have the same value or meaning. Cheers

^^some good thinking. no one will know where to aim that powerful kick after you pissed them off. The Flipmode.. you volunteered that information, so i guess it will be easy enough to hurt you according to "liban the man" :confused: (odd name)

Tragic indeed. :mad:

well it is not like there is a mens section and even if there was, just as men post and read everything in the women section, women would have read it there too. not that it is the most interested topic on the earth and it is not like those of you old enough to post here have much choice. you have already been blessed with one or the other, and even in cyber world, it is clear who got blessed with what! cheers.

what :eek: :eek: now i am confused. my theory is out of the window and just when i thought it all made sense. well aint i glade he is not here to see what wrote surely he would be offended. sorry ngonge and it won't allow me to edit it out cheers

yes i am liberated

Interesting in deed and where is Ngonge; has not acknowledge this dedication. i'm to assue she loves you too and you found her on SOL. what a crazy world

i swear sometimes people are soo funny, do men fall in love why are there so many threads about love :rolleyes:

when da hell did i say that and where is your copy rights. i see you had some confessions to get off ur heart. feel better now "heartbreaker"

^^^i'm the only one that mentioned xishood, but that quote is not me, anyway i did not mean offend you, i wz just worked, still am

They probably though; this lost one that has abandoned her xishood and culture and adopted the disgusting western ways (shakes head, haa, maarktah) youngsters these days, does she not come from a respectable family how can she parade her body like that, see everyone is looking at her. lool

god i nearly cried reading that. thats just plain embrassing, nothing to do with self hate. if you saw a women wearing a bakini in a mosque while everyone else was covered you would feel the same way. i guess it was more of the place rather than action. i mean why would you do that? did u speak to them by any chance? i guess not

hey^^ no your engrisi is too complex dear, care to explain it in lay xalimo terms i don't see any laws against mix and matching p.s. u edit ur message dear, why did you think i would be offended? lool

^^^shiid, you mean i am going to wear diirac on road and gossip all day and marry a poor farah who chews qaad, and memorise poems and become fat and out of shape, and eat bariis and pasto everyday, and think qabil is the most important thing in world. someone shoot me now sounds like self hate i like my values dee, i made them up by stealing ideas from many many different cultures. and now that i have come to terms with my identity i refuse to change it even if i reach as old as 100 as i am quiet old as it is

Hey I know what you mean. I guess I’m not immune to it when you look at it in these contexts. But it depends on how far you go with this self hate. If it is things you can change about yourself then I guess to lessen that feeling you would change it (e.g. I’m too fat; loose some weigh ) What I notice most is this whole culture. Your western side is always in conflict with your cultural background and your religion. for example, older Somali people make a mocker of how I speak in Somali and roll around laughing when I speak, or tell you off for not knowing Somali poems/songs and they don't consider you as "somalian enough" and think you are westernize. however when you are mixing with western people, you never go the full way (not drinking, drugs, sex) whatever it maybe you lack some core characteristics that white westerns consider as distinguishing elements in their culture. So you end up being a stranger in both worlds. Some people just end up going backwards and forwards between the too cultures, while other (including me ) try to take the best of both worlds and create your own culture; I don’t' think this is self hate though rather a frustration that you can't do anything how you are meant to Anyway that’s my two cents

okay i guess, you don't percieve the word with the same meaning as i do. yeah sure whatever rocks your boat. cheers

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: quote:During the live televised debate, Islamic scholar Abdel-Moti dismissed the fatwa, saying: "Nothing is prohibited during marital sex, except of course sodomy." Does this mean no more oral sex for married couple, doggy style, 69 etc??? :eek: :eek: :eek: u miss understood; nothing is Forbidden except for sodomy

i second that, but it is pretty childish callin people names, simply because you happen to differ in views or approachs regarding certain issues. Even if you feel that they are in the wrong you have to be able to explain your self and justify your argument to show why you are right and they are not. Castor answering him with simliar things will just lower you to childish behaviour. if your can't get on, ignore each other cheers

^^what is the use of asking me "what i mean" when clearly you have reached a conculsion and decided i did "wrong" :rolleyes: just to humor u. this is what i was refering to!! "Practicing brigade" is people who think that the are superior to everyone and they have the GOD given right to monitor Muslim people like they are the FBI angels of Islam. They are quick to notice other people mistakes and short comes in general. they have communication problems, bad characters and manners, and no sense of humor, and are paranoid. They do not accept difference in opinion and approach and make Islam hard for themselves and those around them and in general they put people off Islam and portray it in bad light. They group people into groups and each thinks their group is the best. <<This is where it all starts and at the end it ends up being far from what Islam commanded, and the good practice of Islam. Most of these problems can be easily solved by education and the search for Knowledge, but many of them are too fast and hard headed. i hope you are satisfied with my answer, which has no relation to what you are or consider your self to be, for i don't know you from Adam. Nor is it an attack on anyone, but just an opining i hold and I don’t need to apologies for it. I do come across and acknowledge that the best people are those who follow Islam correctly. It is just that there are many who just give them a bad name. cheers and have a blessed day