Bloom and Scareface. No offence intended BUt you must hang out in certain places where you meet these "weak" women. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: No one can be made to do that which they do not want to do and at times even if they do want to do something they CAN stop themselves from doing it.

I think you have me confused or at least you have the thread confused. I have not said anything is such in this thread. Nor have i ever argued for "free trawling the streets of anywhere" or even dating. So again i don't know why you keep jumping to conclusions. In fact i quiet agree with you, such waste of precious time i simple don't have. Now would you get off my case Please

^^^no Bloom I have not claimed such thing, nor did i find it funny so i have no idea what you are laughin about :rolleyes: How did you reach that understanding. Don't put words into my post! Man_in_ Malaysia of course there is such as self control?? :rolleyes: what kind of madness is that

^^^it is called self control ^^and Yes you can keep yourself away

^^apologies that should have said Mahram MEN: 1. What the Muslim woman can uncover in front of a kaafir woman is the same as what she can uncover in front of her mahrams, i.e., the places of adornment or the places of wudoo’. Shaykh Muhammad Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen said: “In front of her mahrams she can uncover her face, head, neck, hands, forearms, feet and calves, and she should cover everything else.” (Fataawaa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 1/417). Allaah knows best, thanks for the correction.

^^I'm not getting into a ding dong with you :rolleyes: No point making it personal :rolleyes:

Only if you look like the kind of girl who will go out and have sex with people :rolleyes: If you attract people who you think you are that kind of girl then something is not right. There are plenty of guys who go out with women knowing they won't even get a kiss/ hug or even hold her bag let alone sex!

JACY we are talking about the topic... How dare you! I mean come on

I thought as much! lool Okay suit your self. You can always sit at home and be a book worm

^lool calm down dear. I'll PM you the details in a bit. You can go sat or sun or friday afternoons.

Only if you want to give up your sundays ( i know, i know it is your only day to lazy about) You might even enjoy it. The same people that hold my hand can hold yours too.

^^loool^ hopefully you'll get there. I am not holding anyone's hand but there are people holding mine. IT is only pointless if it is a case of the blind leading the blind. One cannot follow themselves in any shape or form as most times we are persuaded by what we desire ( hence following yourself is often referred to as following your desires) and the book is complimented by the Sunnah and the actions/ rullings four generations after the prophet (PBUH) and the iijitihad major scholars since then. p.s. no one can now if they are going hell or heaven or even if they die as a Muslim.

It is women only (which firstly includes non Muslim women (who are leveled with the states of non maxaram men) and as for Muslim women you can only show that which wash while doing wudu (your face/ hair/ hands and feet) so wearing a swimming costumes does not go down well.

Well yeah... i'm trying (alot of time it don't work) I would hope these people i follow and hold highly/ important will go to heaven to give me half a chance it is better than just giving up!is it not?

It depends on who your important people in life are. Mine inshallah won't go to hell. So I'll just let the band wagon pass sweety.

Loool^ looks like you are going to join the dirac swimming people. Don't make the mistake I did and wear shorts and a singlet. EVERY ONE Was Muslim and they were wearing dress/ skirts dirac, so wear one of these as not to look odd.

OHi you^ morning and no you cannot. I will NOT be held accountable for legitimizing your own life style. I already have enough sins as it is. Do your own research like me and if you are content with the findings then suit yourself otherwise get married. It will not be accepted (it was good enough for ibtisam) and it may become an innovation that people establish after my death which will surely lead me to hell. That was my understanding based on the evidence I saw. Now that we've cleared that up moving on

^She knew what she was getting into. In any case she'll come out, take them to court and get lost of money! lool I don't think ppl like jade represent the everyday white person.

Ducasany: Maybe you missed the start of my sentence. I said from the explanation of this hadith (then I paraphrased what I read) I was not practicing my incapable judgmental thinking on laws of marriage or rights of Islam. You have not disagreed with what I said, which is if you do not get married you do not get punished for it, assuming that you have not forbidden it or denied that it is an important part of Islam. This was not an iijtihad nor did I claim to be a mufti, and just to clarify I am not. You claimed: and it is compulsory and imperative to have an intention of getting married one day. In Islam I am sure that you are aware that if something is compulsory if you do not do that action you will get punished for it. I asked you for evidence and Mantra gave a hadith, I explained the background and extended explanation for the hadith as I recalled it. I don’t expect you to jump to conclusions and respond with negativity, but share what you know/ claimed. The evidence you have presented above is what I was already aware of, it just reiterate the importance of marriage and its purpose. I have yet to see the prove for your quote above statement. I understand that verses of the Noble Qur'an clearly show that in contrast to other religions like Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism where celibacy or monasticism is considered as a great virtue or means of salvation, Islam on the other hand considers marriage as one of the most virtuous. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) declared, "There is no monasticism in Islam." He further ordained, "Marriage is my sunna. Whosoever keeps away from it is not from me." I also understand that it is an act of ibadah, marriage is an act pleasing to Allah because it is in accordance with his commandments. However again it does not support your comment. In fact as I understand marriage is compulsory for a man who has: 1) the means to easily pay the mahr 2)and who support a wife and children, 3)and is healthy, 4)and fears that if does not marry, he may be tempted to commit fornication (zina). These are the conditions for marriage, if one of these conditions are missing it is no longer compulsory. And there are difference of opinion in this, for example; The Maliki school of though advocates that under certain conditions it is obligatory for a Muslim to marry even if he is not in a position to earn his living while some jurists suggest that if a man cannot procure a lawful livelihood, he must not marry because if he marries without any hope of getting lawful bread, he may commit theft, and in order to avoid one evil (his passions) he may become the victim of another (theft). This difference of opinion you do not account for. Further more, according to the Hanafi School of thought Marriage is forbidden to a man, if he does not possess the means to maintain his wife and children or if he suffers from an illness, serious enough to affect his wife and progeny. Further more it is makruh or disliked for a man who possesses no sexual desire at all or who has no love for children or who is sure to be slackened in his religious obligations as a result of marriage. Again your statement does not fit into this hence why i questioned you. As for the women, As I understand it is compulsory for a woman 1)who has no other means of maintaining herself 2)and who fears that her sexual urge may push her into fornication. Howver even if you have a strong will to control your sexual desire, and you have no wish to have children, and the person feels that marriage will keep them away from his devotion to Allah, or they will not fulfill their duty it is commendable (mandub). here is where you seem to miss totally. Again I explained what I know as an individual from the ulumas, not something that i made up to suit my own desiers. In any case I hate to argue about religion (hence why I never visit the Islam section of this forum) so I’ll leave it at that. Thanks

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 1: Narrated Anas bin Malik: A group of three men came to the houses of the wives of the Prophet asking how the Prophet worshipped (Allah), and when they were informed about that, they considered their worship insufficient and said, "Where are we from the Prophet as his past and future sins have been forgiven." Then one of them said, "I will offer the prayer throughout the night forever." The other said, "I will fast throughout the year and will not break my fast." The third said, "I will keep away from the women and will not marry forever." Allah's Apostle came to them and said, "Are you the same people who said so-and-so? By Allah, I am more submissive to Allah and more afraid of Him than you; yet I fast and break my fast, I do sleep and I also marry women. From the tasfiir of this hadith I remember that it said it is forbidden for someone to go to extreme lengths for ciibaad (worship) i.e. praying all night and fasting everyday, nor are we allowed to live in seclusion in mountains like they use to do before and cut our self from life. On the issue of marriage it is forbidden for someone to say I will never marry because they want to be exclusive to worship. My understanding of this was as long as you don't state that you will never marry (which I don't, Allah knows best what the future holds) I am okay. If for whatever reason you don't get married there is no sin. Cheers

^^NOPE! but carry on... I won't spoil it with my negativity!

^^adiga maxaad kaa raabt Val, You follow her around and constantly having subtle digs at her. ISska caadso waxaad kaa raabit, i'm sure you will find out the answer a lot quicker sorry I could not resist!

^^^they won't be yours... they will belong to allah. and it is compulsory and imperative to have an intention of getting married one day. I didnt say it. The PROPHET (saw) said so really if you are a practising muslim or would like to be, you should work on it or atleast make dua that Allah clears your heart of such Issues. Can i have the evidence please. I know it is suggested, liked very much... but comulsory? i did some research few years back and i found that it is best if you do but you won't have to. Now are trying to throw it out of the window! so Can you please provide your evidence or take those words back

DO you know that informationclearinghouse is run by the CIA?? i would not visit that place if i was you! just a friendly advise

he sounds white :rolleyes: tell him men and women are not equal so it is her fault for trying to be equal and over eating