Martin Keetle- martin.kettle@guardian.co.uk David Hayes, Deputy Editor david.hayes@opendemocracy.net Isabel Hilton, Editor-in-chief isabel.hilton@opendemocracy.net Are Anti Muslim for the most part, not familiar with the rest (Madeleine is concerned with religion and youth, i remember she did a big research last year on Islam and women, and she has wrote few things about Africa and poverty). If you choose to e-mail writers Please take time to research what field they cover and what influence they have if any, don't waste your time e-mailing people who are general racist,islamphobic or nationalistic in foreign policy

^^^You wrote half of that wrong dear, I will open a school for the lost aussie's when/if i reach over this summer inshallah.

^^^No, and it took me 3mins to read that. But yes you have proven your point now iidaaf, stop showing off :cool:

^^^oh what do you know, aussies are even worse than us in Somali! Okay

I'm sure it is Jaar but you might be right

^^^Woow i know more somali than you Jaar= cliff in somali, it can also mean "cut" lol my Spelling might be wrong though as well as how i say it! lol

^^^^lool^ Loooool you crack me up.... by the way that kind of speech should tell you,... I'm not who you think I'm loool. I guess you told that to a lot of people, now you are confused, I know you think I am though, lool, greek names are the next big thing dee, hence why she is not the only one use them! lool. ( i bet that^ did not sound like her posh self now, did it!)

^^^Depends on why you are doing it, haadaad jaar kaa tuurtiid then it is not good and Srats are facts of life

^^^Jury is still out on that one North, don't make it a fact yet! And this is not the Islam section so please do not quote some Hadith to support your point! I mean statistically speaking.

^^ME: Somalist is a Somali nationalist, it’s also someone who believes in Somalinimo. -Yes everybody can become that, it’s just a thought, if you find yourself in the ideals of Somalism, then you are a Somalist. -What do does a Somalist believe in? Somalist believes in Somalism and what is Somalism? Somalism: is an ideology that supports that all Somalis are equal and have equal rights, that Somalia is indivisible and that Islam is the religion of the Somalis. The homeland of the Somali Nation is the Horn of Africa. Somalism supports the reunification of all the territories inhabited by the Somali people in the Horn of Africa. The flag of the Somali Nation is azure blue with five angled star. Somalism does not recognize clans and advocated for its abolition The loyalty of the Somali should be with the Somali Nation. The Somali language, culture and heritage are unique and they should be protected from all foreign influences. ^^How can That be achieved, when two Somali guys can't be in the same room without picking a fight with each other? I do agree there is nothing more powerful than an idea which its time has come.

I don't have time to argue backwards and forwards just for the sake of it so i will just leave you to your assumptions ya "Me" but i advise you to read both quotes again, i spoke of them and their believes, same way i will speak of somalinimo and their believes, when did I say I on behalf of .... believe.....?? I did not think so, Don't assume what i said, REAd what I said. p.s. Thanks for the definition, sounds nice (and never achievable, bit like Keynesian "perpetual peace" I don't believe either is possible but you can aspire to it) Survival is what Somali have been doing for the last 16yrs, it happens and is beyond our control, and prosperity does not come without facilities and institutions which are in turn linked to the ideals I mentioned above. Lastly guaranteeing the survival and the prosperity of the Somali nation you, no one can make any guarantee, and you will find that most people agree with this "guaranteeing the survival and the prosperity of the Somali people" Use that as a starting point, it is better than fighting all the time.

Some Points/ concerns i have when considering demostrations. • Demonstrations should be the last resort, after MPs/ Ministers have picked a stand, it is used to force the "sitting on the fence guys" to make a choice and to to show that the campaign has the backbone and ensure that future threats of direct action is taken seriously. (currently our campign has no back bone!) So i was thinking we should work on the support other organisations (allies) and ethnic minorities (MCB, MAB, MPAC) to form a smal solid backbone along with somali organisations, the other advantage of this is that at the same time we will be reaching both the average Joe (via demo) and other Muslims (via their organisations) Demonstrations are tricky, hence why they are normally the last resort. The reason for this is because it could annoy the general public and turn them against our campaign. In order to minimise the risk of this i was thinking we should avoid week days and try not to annoy workers and the general public unless it is unavoidable ( also better trun out). Obstructing the highway/roads also needs to be avoided at all times (if possible). It must also be ensured that there is no breach of peace, this will enhance the public image of our campaign is positive and o avoid getting bad press coverage. At this late stage there should be main contacts in the media (I have got few) to ensure that same coverage is gained from the demonstration. The best day is Sunday, so that the demonstration will be covered by media outlets at the start of the week and therefore affects debates and discussion in the week. However in order for this to be successful, the aims and objectives of the campaign need to presented while the demonstration has the media spot light. •The police, local politicians, mayor of London and the media need to be notified, my concern is do we have enough time? this will ensure that we have the legal backing and support and if anything goes wrong for example disruptions, they will be there to combat it before it goes out of hand. Also essential that provisions of 1995 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act regarding trespassing, aggravated trespass and the number of person allowed to assemble in one place is observed and consulted, again my concern is as somali's this is hard to estimate. •The last issue with demonstration is that we should be prepared for a massive surge in support (healthy and safety measures) and the need for quick damage control if the turn out is not high, for we could cut the day short, which will save resources and minimise the damage of low turn out, but may at the same time get the message out. hmmmm....

^^^I don't know if as a community we can mobalise that fast (i.e. with the next few days) and planning is one thing, getting people to stick to the plan is another. Never the less I think we should give it our best shot, anything is better than doing nothing.

^^^I just might! Sometimes the pen is as effective as the gun, the only reason somali needs guns now is because we lost the pen battle.

^^^lool seems like your hand is turning few heads, looooool, sorry i could not resist! loool. Some of you girls must live in dry places! :cool:

^^What, how can paragon work for himself yesterday, and Who the hell is Geedi? And why ar eyou even in this thread, get the hell out, you need to go and look for your gun and help them people!

ME Where did I speak in the name of anyone, let alone secessionists, again your paranoia is getting the best of you, I spoke as an individual who has views, accept it as that, don’t try to put me into one of your little box’s, there are some things that I’m liberal on, some things I’m conservative, other things I’m a nationalist etc. Is Northerner a political figure, and who made you the judge of what is in his heart? Further more with all due respect you were not talking about northerner when you made your comment, rather it was a massive generalization, maybe you should choose your words more wisely. I’m glade we agree on the trust issue, That’s a starting point I guess. Sometimes you can take different paths to achieve the same goal, while other times you can take the same path and achieve different goals, so don’t be so narrow minded, the world is not black and white, the gray areas normal make the difference. What is a Somalist?? I’m Bit confused on that one, who is a somalist, what is their believes/ assumptions, Can I be a somalist? Or is an exclusive club? What makes you more somalist than me, or North?- but since you labled him as a secessionist can he not be a Somali? What are they fighting for? I hear the usual rhetoric of Ethiopians out, Jihad etc, I certainly do not hear them shouting slogans about beating, and murdering innocent people to get political points and risk their life’s while they are at it. What should we fight for? Anything but Clans, Blood lines, name etc. They should fight for peace, security, religion, and the freedom to do as they wish (and choose who they like to govern their affairs) and live without fear and without losing half of their family for nothing but due to power hungry men with guns, they sould fight for their children to go to school, get educated and developed in time. And since they are the ones fighting they should determine what is worth fighting for, mine are just my thoughts. p.s. Can the Common goal be "peace for all"

Firstly of "ME" Don't label me, I don't represent any label nor I'm responsible for anyone point of view. My stance changes everyday depending on events, I don not believe in blindly following one point or ideology. Secondly: About the issues of the secessionists all of the sudden taking notice about whats happening in Xamar, don't blame me if I doubt their sincerity, they are among others what has brought us to this situation. The secessionists are trying to score political points of whats going on in Xamar today. And theuir tactics is teh same old, my enemies enemy is my friend. I cannot believe you just said that, :eek: Clearly you need some serious help, I cannot believe that you think normal everyday people are speaking out against injustice to capitalise or gain some kind of brownie/ Political points. I do not see any "lander" flying the Ethiopian Flag, (and if there are then they too are sick people) but What I have seen is a lot sincerity "landers" who are truly disgusted and feel the pain of all those who are suffering and involved in the fighting. Further more I have seen "landers" leave the comfort of their homes (from the west, & from Slander) to help out in their own way (be it right or wrong to join armed resistance). I will tell you what else for nothing: paranoid/ suspicious man lacks the essential elements to form a bond of trust, hence your talk of "unity/ Somalinimo" will always be just that, and that is the problem with most Somali people, they are too afraid to trust and let bygones be bygones. Now if you have finished your crazy paranoid accusations, I’ll be on my marry way.

^^^who is Argagixiso^

^^^You have no friends? that is bit strange, how can a guy who sings songs about "Somalinimo" not be making friends with the very same people who's unity you need to have "Somalinimo" Not exactly trying to encourage collectiveness are you dear? I also think you are misunderstood a bit as well, Slander or Secessionist as you kindly refer to them are not concerned with have a "Somalinimo" at this moment, they just think what is happening in Somalia to the Somali children/ women and largely innocent people is wrong, unjust, criminal, and the fact it is being committed by fellow Somali's (who by the way promised them peace, etc) and their compliances all the more painful. Just because someone advocate for Slander does not mean they are content with Violence, murder and injustice cross the street, the pain is shared and obvious to all, and I find it offensive that you are implying otherwise, peoples suffering is not something to use as stick to beat others with :mad:

Ngong: ^^^Demos need to be well planned to make any sort of point, and even with planning it could still be a waste of time. And somali people are not good at planning, or turning up :rolleyes: Also stunts will just land us in belmarsh. It seems it is just me, and Ms. D &D and Paragon who attend and send letters. By the way why is this topic in the politics section, we should have posted in General (people don't really read the politics section, its just for the old racist people lol mostly) And i thought it was going to be a sticky??

^^^^lool^ I love how you two go around the same big circle! Repeating same things over and over again!, lool, and Maybe you guys should try communicating a different language, maybe Somali or Arabic or something, clearly English is not doing the job. Me: Maybe he is asking you because you are the middle guy, closer to him than the extremist, and you should be able to defend your friends (either by correct them when they are wrong, or sticking up for them if the are right)

^^^looool^ you guys are hopeless Kimiya Use books and tell the truth, thats your best bet!

You can also have a self set target similar to the one below to go with your letter: ACTION PLAN 1. Try to obtain a target of 1,000 signatures or as many as you can by say Friday 2. Arrange an appointment to see your MP in your local area by either telephoning their office or emailing them via www.writetothem.com . Tell them that you wish to meet them in their open surgey 3 . Try to insist on face-to-face meeting. However, if this is not possible for whatever reason, make a photocopy of your completed petition sheets and post it to them together with a cover letter. 4. If you meet them, present your petition to them as a measure of how strongly you and your fellow constituents feel on this matter, and ask them for three commitments: What is he going to do, now that he has heard your concerns 5. Chase up your MP until you receive a written response from them. Once you receive a written response, please share the response, then we can measure who supports us and who does not.

^^^there is no limits to what you can do dear. You can use [/b]www.writetothem.com [/b] to lobby your MP. Below is a quick sample letter you can use a basis for your own letter. Personalise and change this to the best of your ability to ensure it has the greatest effect. Dear [Your MP’s Name], I am writing to voice my concern at the ever increasing violence in Somalia which has so been conveniently ignored by world leaders and the media. Mass murder and abuse is being committed in the name of combating terrorism, while in reality it is the weak, women and children who have suffered the most. They have had their civil human rights violated, beaten, killed and chased out of their homes and villages. As your constituent, I urge you to act and put pressure on our government and not compromise on issues which has affected so many people in you constituency. As you may be aware Tower Hamlets (your locality) is home to almost 2,000 Somali families who's view you represent. I would urge you to fulfill your responsibility and ensure that they have their voices heard via you. I trust you would treat this issue with urgency and I look forward to hearing from you. Yours Sincerely, [Your Name]