Of course we have not made it but the debate looks interesting for anyone in london who wishs to attend, I cannot see them telling you anything you did not already know, but hey! For as long as we can remember ‘Women’s Lib’, Feminism, ‘Girl Power’, along with a whole range of other terminology has described a struggle women have pursued across the globe for many decades. Hence women would like to believe that today, living in liberal, free societies in the 21st century they have finally reached the point where they can raise their voices and say, ‘yes, we’ve made it!’ The bastion of such achievement is portrayed as being in the Western democracies. However, the discussion continues.... In an era where claims are always made about women having rights and being equal, whisperings of discrimination and exploitation still muster.In a heightened political climate where images of the ‘Muslim woman’ and the ‘Western woman’ are fuelled to the other, Women’s Association of Professionals (WAP)hopes to bring women together from all backgrounds to a unique forum to discuss this very pertinent issue. We wish to open the doors to honest, open and sincere debate to explore the real mystery of the progression and status of women across the globe. GUEST PANELISTS INCLUDE Arzu Merali Islamic Human Rights Commission. Edwina Currie Former Conservative MP, Broadcaster, Writer. Rachel Briggs Head of Demos Think tank. Nazreen Nawaz Women's Media Representative, Hizb ut Tahrir Britain. 29th June 2007 @ 6.00pm Toynbee Hall, 28 commerical Street, London E1 6LS

^^^It is a tuesday, what on earth is qayilad day at the start of the week :rolleyes: that is if your week starts at all. North, bet you thought you were done with that, and left it all behind!

^^^YOu go for shisha in the middle of the day, it is not even 12.00pm yet! Godness me :rolleyes: North why are you counting down for him Although i do think you were talking of something else, when you said its 26th. It is the quitest one I''ve seen as yet, even SOL did not have the usual timo jijiid

North ^^sexist, let him make his own canjeelo! he wants to eat it so, make it! Val: Good luck I feel for you eat ur toast before those nasty injections.

^^lool you know how to make laxxox??? lool dat is an art all on its own, i refuse to even try it, it is so messy! I've not had it for about 16yrs. White bread is great, wonderful. Brown bread just does not look nice and it taste horrible, white bread looks pretty when you fill it even with simple ingredients, and even just toasted white bread looks better than brown bread. Lily 2007 or not, you do not know what you are missing.

^^^Only been mugged once, and I've lived her for 16yrs. so it is very safe. Lol Lily, I eat nothing but white bread! lool @zafir, tell him please. Cajeelo is pancakes.

North, Thats why it is good to live in London Ngonge, lol, never heard of them either. I thought Dull was your middle name, oops... I mean mine. I did not really check the words, just the beat and pictures :rolleyes: Any song must have a good beat to hold my attention. Lily £130, what kind of bread do you buy! lol just kidding.

Edited: I wonder how the Somali people are coping with the floods up north? Last night I was watching the news playing spot the Somali's . Thank God I did not see any. Kay north.

^^^^ What does that have to do with Multitasking, they are still complaining, working and surfing at the same time. I clicked on your link, i could swear you are white,....I think I’m getting Bob's diseases. I'm having a good day today.

Rahima abbaayo, better start setting rat traps behind you to to hear the howls! loool That had me laughing. Okayish article, if not bit on the "sitting duck side" It can passive people and turn religion into a set of rituals. Hollow slogans and chants will not free al-Aqsa nor improve our plight; nor will spirituality without action. ^^this I agree with. What is needed is a return to the ways of those people who were warriors by day and monks by night: the Companions (ra) of the Prophet (saw). ^^His solution! The solution I don't agree with, (wait let me explain… I kind of don’t and I do) The reason I don’t agree with it is because it is an ideal that will never be achieved, so it is as pointless as the first two (chants & spirituality) I do not understand people who argue for this because they know (you've been told that Ummah will only get worse) so fighting for the return to the Sahabaah time is a waste of everyone's time. You are just looking for excuses to do nothing, but at the same time make yourself feel better. So sit there your whole life waiting for the return of the great Islamic period, while the Muslims are systematically eliminated :mad: But of course we are not responsible because we should return to the way of the messenger, he says shrugging the weigh of your shoulders. I do believe it is a cause and effect, we are in our current humiliation because we went away from the path of Allah, and yes the only way out is to return to his way, but no, no, the Muslims will not even have Eid on the same day or start fasting on the same day (in fact we have three or more eids/ starting of fasting) each year. So what to do??.. fold my hands and sit on them and play the waiting game. No I’m try do everything, give dacwa, lobby, slogans, chants, perfect myself, use the system, and general struggle myself in the process with confusion but making fun of the other two while suggesting a solution that is impossible does not wash the responsibility of your hands. p.s. I’m sure he is a great scholar and all but I can still disagree, and no offence to anyone who believes in this, but I do intend offence to those who try to passive the masses by throwing impossible solutions and creating apathy. So why I'm mad at these kind of views, because while he makes some good points. Last month witnessed the continuing Zionist onslaught against the Palestinian people ^^This and this What is needed is a return to the ways of those people who were warriors by day and monks by night: the Companions (ra) of the Prophet (saw). are not matched, he is just using the suffering of others to make his case look solid, and then the only thing he offers them in return is not even possible. Why buu uugu tiikaanyah. :mad: makes me so mad!

The day I don't want to work, I end up working 9-9 :mad: like a slave, without food,....why oh why are the shops so far. I've officially decided I'm going to stop working at the age of 26yrs (if i reach that long)so I have few years to get rich, rob a bank or something, I can't believe people are fighting to work till they are 70yrs, and longer hrs, :mad: What is wrong with this world... back to work! At least I’d sleep like a baby when I reach home, finally, inshallah.

^^Your Somali no good, Your english slang even worse, saan kuu gaala haadaab, saan iisu faahana haha p.s. Why is JB famous, last I knew he was a skinny Farah in H town waiting for sponsorship to Europe and if all else fails a Visa to Ghana, …Why, what do you know??

^^YOu know how slow camels are dear, It needs to get here early enough for me to make a move! Traditional is good, but it drives me mad when people mix billion cultures together and they all clash, Although there are some cultures that go really well together.

Experience taught me that no sane girl will ever fall for you for beating her brother up like you were an amateur panel beater and as a Somali I know bravery only leads to a hail of bullets and violent death...so I would rather be a calculating coward than a lionhearted statistic after all most girls would prefer to hear how desperate you're for their affection rather than how many street brawls you started, my point is, playing Cigal Shidaad pays trust me on that even if you are as old as a tortoise which is the reason why my wife of many moons considers me to be the best husband in the whole wide world and she even goes as far as calling me 'Sunshine' when in truth my complexion is darker than dark even after I bleached my skin multiple times and the best part of it all is when we play hide and seek she never manages to find me especially after I close my mouth with its set after set of goofy tooth like I was a Piranha and cover my shining and baldhead with my tired but trusted turban that I bought from Maldives in our honeymoon Classic, that had me laughing till I fell off my chair! HAHa lol

^^^lool^ at you two. Haha. Munira miise "pride to Be" one week to go till you run away How is it all going. I'm still awaiting my invite, i heard you even gave JB one before me!! :mad:

^^the bed , it gave me a backache and forced to me leave it and watch late night/early morning TV.

North I had a busy, emotional draining weekend, and then I had a fight with my bed last night, so I could not sleep Jac, I hope so.

^^In that case today I must be 120yrs. You are not old, just oldish Edit: YouniZ: Was coming to the UK worth the trouble?

^^^I have, and coffee, Fully awake, but Its one of those days where absolutely meelkasta kuu xaannonasa. I need extra motivation.

Umu Zakaria Mabrook walalo. May Allah make Mohammad, a great Muslim and server of Islam, a credit to his parents and a helper for weak.

I need Motivation.

^^young man kuulaah, :rolleyes: loool, BOb, Wonderful read, Thanks for sharing,

^^^damn. I'm so gonna sue you.

^^^LOOL. I think this shall make it to 100pages! If not I shall sue serenity and her damn thread. Ngonge is just mad it is not his thread “boredom” that made it to 100pages!

^^^That is a small Percentage, so it is not a norm. Both of you should get tested. In Burco, The uluma were discussing whether it should be made compulsory for couples who wish to marry to get tested, I think it is a good idea. No sheek should perform the engagement with out the certificate in hand.