Serenity: Loool I cannot believe you busted Zenobia like that, I thought I won't force here into a tight place! lol you are evil! Serenity, wilkan wuu af dheeryahe indeed, I guess wuu kuugu af barte! put him in his place will ya. LOZ: I'm not smart at all, ask Serenity and she shall tell ya! and I hate numbers!

^^^Loool

LOZ: sue away my dear. Tuujiyee knows exactly what I am trying to say, as you do. Anyway I wrote that wrong on purpose so it is not censored dee Kool Kat, I think that damn Jac has rubbed off on you, you are laughing in every thread like him!

Labadiina iga koreeya, waxay u eg tahay inaad NGONGE 2nd and 3rd u noqon doontaan, waad saa ku socotaaneh :rolleyes: iska amus atheer! Serenity did you say this dude was your friend. :rolleyes: Zenobia! lol,

Nac-nac yaa tuujiyee, fuutaad kaa haadashee with all due respect of course

Serenity: ^^They once say one or two of their friends (who happened to be 30+) who suddenly decided she was to tired to work and would rather just marry and be a miserable house wife to some abusive farah, but since she was 30+ even abuse farah thought he was too good for her, so she moans about her misfortunate for a while, then ends up marrying a short, bold, ugly little old man I'm just assuming here

Lool @ Ayan Hirsi. I did not even notice that been said! hehe. lol. for some people marriage is their biggest achievement you can say that again :cool:

Hi Zafir, It is coming along perfectly, Cara shall get LOZ in shape in no time. HAha. But I sad you sent Lily to the Marfashi in East London! I mean how can you firstly a marfash and in EAST. lord have mercy. I worry for her safety! JB needs more than a shave and shower (when meeting Lily) don't you think? Lool.

:rolleyes: This topic has suddenly become :rolleyes: I think marriage is worth trying at least once, in the very least you can acquire those supernatural powers of knowing what some single women want 'deep down inside' . HAHA classic.

Possibly @ KK. Lool @shydan did some good as well. Jim

Ducaysane History is documented; I don't need my family circle to tell me tales. And I know enough to make up an opinion on him, same way you have made your own opinion. As for these good you speak of, if you are talking about the honey moon period, his "good" is measured by the whole period he was in power, and his crimes far outweighed any good he may or may not have done in the first few years. The reason for those who praise him is the gains. Edited: Regardless of the distorted view that is being sold off as the truth, you only need to consult any independent non-Somali source to find the lovely truth. :cool:

^^Maybe so, but we are cannot comment on the number of possibilities or options, or how others would have acted in the same position. I would even go as far as saying that if those who are "crying" are now giving the power to govern, they too will become the abusers for those who previously governed them. One of the reasons why there is the consent power struggle. Each has figured that it must sit on and rule over the other to succeed. But I'm glade you at least acknowledge that the champions of his legacy are those who benefited under him. Oh... and they are crying not because of a missed opportunity in benefiting, they are crying because they lost people, yes people, and whole cities were destroyed and still being destroyed.

^^The people who benefited under him. This "great president" used qabili to systematically destroy his country. The same qabili that is still destroying it. Furthermore for those saying that somalia will one day be great, haa noolato etc, if you consider noolaan and great as oppressing everyone but your sub clan then I hope the time never ever comes again. If you consider bombing, murder, rape and subjugating of the majority of Somali’s as putting them in their place, then that is exactly what he did. Finally duccu waaxabb uu taarimiso, for justice is always done by Allah and he will never wrong anyone, he will answer for everything he did and the manipulation of the power which was trusted in him.

^^^^My dear Marriage and kids are a plus in life, not a must or a necessity for living. It is not the soul purpose of your existence nor the centre of everyone's universe. For some it is a privilege, for others it is the accessories of life.

Wow Serenity can read bad somali after all. JAc: they have many versions of him. Lool @Ngonge- I know you think the same as her!

^^^I was not including myself in the list I was admiring dear. So siidee baan isugu camiir?? :cool:

^^the nice version of what I am going to say. could call him either a Dictator or not, Siyaad Bare was the greatest Somali Leader to ever step up Only the people who benefited under him would utter such rubbish and call him a "Somali leader, remember him in their heart etc" He is why Somali has failed to exist, and it will never exist while people of this mind set are still around. Whether he was your atheer, clan or related to you by marriage the least you can do is accept that the process of the demise and misery of Somalis started with him. This kind of gloating and capitalising on the suffering and miser he caused is exactly why wounds have not healed. It is nasty and evil that you and the likes continue this parade and target it towards some of the people who suffered most under his rule, while they have been so forgiving, and trying to move on with their life’s. People like you make me sick :mad: You say Allah hoow naaxaristo, I saw may Allah take you and him to their deserving place. Jac: I hate marakaad iska qoosashid after a comment so out of place and evil. :mad: issh

^^^Right on. There are too many people marrying and reproducing without being able to shoulder the responsibility of a home and family. This is why we have recently been proclaimed as the community that is the maximum burden on social systems in the UK! I could not have said it better. Then there is also the small matter of sharing a life with someone who doesn’t value the things you do – learning! The most important thing me thinks...and it is what will lead to the end your marriage ( you decide you won't give up on your values & goals) or happeness in life ( you give up what you wanted out of life) First time I agree with LOZ kulahaa, most of the time you agree with me silently and then you giggle to yourself...admit it! I don't giggle, have you not heard? I have a deep manly hearty laugh and the only time you have ever made me laugh like that was ages and ages ago, a comment about the image you get when you hear the term "sleeping around" HAHa It still makes me laugh! lool I like the smart sisters on this thread, the sloppy Farax answers are not even addressing the point!... Apart from those agreeing with the smart sisters! HAHa

HAHA lool @ Lily and Johnny. Hehe

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: Horta waxaan la yaabay, rag la soo taagan naag caqli badan iska ilaali amaba ka carara markay arkaan a professional woman; waxaas oo kale baa raganimo xumo la yiraaah! caku bi'iwaa Cabdi Nuuroow! If you see a sizzling xaliimo with some professional credentials, yeey idin dhaafin inkaartii nebi muuse yey idinku dhicin ma idin iraah. Clever Trevor, if what ou described is true you have two potential outcomes; either the farax's need to lift their game or the xaliimos will marry from outside. Simple! Salaamaat First time I agree with LOZ. What is wrong with these described "men"? :rolleyes: If sisters are getting ahead in life, it makes no sense to ask them to dumb themselves down so some good-for-nothing insecure farax can feel better and comfortable about his position in life. Perhaps it is time they acknowledge that they are getting left behind and show some really improvement instead of constantly moaning that women are too smart. Advocating for a dumb-down nation is not the solution. It is sad that sisters have to baby-sit and drag under performing Farax’s who on top of this has complexities about her achievements. Nor should she have to settle for shaping, modeling, motivating and bringing up an adult who has no desire to aim high or improve. Clever Trevor there is no such thing as climbing too high, you can always go higher, and male and female alike should inspire to exceed their previous limit and somewhat improve rather than reaching a stage and then becoming stagnate, regardless of marriage, kids or life, simple because the world is constantly changing and you will need to adapt to new social, political and economic conditions. I doubt this has led to an epidemic of professional sisters missing out on husbands and kids. There are few high flying Farax’s around and many non-Somali high flying men if all else fails. Loool @ women's "desirability" dropped as their IQs increased! Yeah I heard giggling blonds was top on the men’s list. I agree with Cara on this one.

^^^Since there were plenty who discovered it before you, I don't think you were any better position than him. If he did a fraction of Ngonge's work I'd have half a chance in this cut-throat business. Loool @cara! hehe

Some people especially our cousins here (Bangladeshi & Pakistani) pray all five prayers in one go at the end of the day. While other communities merge prayers. Turkey and Iran are special cases when it comes to Islam. I heard Somalia nearly followed Turkey lead (in translating prayers into Somalia- from what I heard Ayan Hiris Father was the guy behind this idea, and he actually led a prayer in Somali.) Can you imagine praying in Somali: “eeba ween, waxaan kaa magaangeeliyah Shidaanga…… you would be there all day!

^^WHy because you are related to him, family friend or you just don't like her/ her family?

^It is worrying that yourself who has kids is not worried. No one is privileged in this situation. :rolleyes:

North I was referring to antisocial behaviours, like 14year old having access to guns and shooting each other, not to mention knife crimes! not your dislike/ and/ or their abuse of the English language. some of these kids cannot string two sentences together, let alone read the Independent! Zafir, your point (although not as you put it) has been mentioned by Lily, clearly there are people who have kids, then never should have had them, but there are perfect parents with dysfunctional kids, possible due to influences outside of the home. MS DD; Beating is not working, and discipline can come in different forms, what makes beating more effective? No one ever beated me as a child, yet I was scared of going out of line. Yaab: Yes I get what you are saying, the society influences the kids more than their family life, but the attitude of they will grow out of it is no longer failed, by the time they grow out of it (20+) they have missed school, wasted the best years of their life, and not on equally footing as their peers who have worked hard etc, that is assuming they make it to their 20's which could be hard on the streets. Bob: Having seen the kids in Africa, I now believe that they are not any better than the ones here, in fact the ones here have better opportunities and chance to change, where as those back home just get stuck in the cycle. Again this notion of beating people does not work, you can beat people till you break every bone and still not get anywhere with them. Chuckback: I totally agree, and the absent (even if he is actually present is a worrying factor special in the Somali community. P.s. Some of the responses here by parents are very worrying, seriously guys! somethingwong