^^lol YEs. Although not equally or for the same reasons or even in the same way. It would be lovely if one can pick all the things you love about both of them and form a new guy. won’t he just be the perfect guy…. No I guess not.

Women scurrying through the backstreets of a Middle Eastern city, the curves of their bodies covered in up to 10 layers of thick cloth and only their eyes visible to the outside world. But these women are not Muslims choosing to wrap themselves in full length niqabs or burqas, these are a small group of ultra-Orthodox Jewish women in Israel who have taken to wearing quite possibly one of the most austere forms of "Jewish hijab" available. Modesty among some strictly Orthodox women can now mean wearing 10 skirts and seven robes. By Michal Levertov in Tel Aviv A new ultra-modest fashion among some strictly Orthodox Israelis, in which women wear several layers of skirts, robes, scarves and veils and avoid talking to men other than their husbands, is creating a storm of controversy among the country's religious communities. The unofficial leader of the trend, often practised in defiance of husbands and in the face of rabbinical reluctance, is Bruria Keren, who lives in Ramat Beit Shemesh, an strictly Orthodox neighbourhood south-west of Jerusalem . In a rare interview, Mrs Keren recently told the Ma'ariv newspaper: "The Holy Mothers and the women of Jerusalem used to wrap their bodies and to hide their faces. It is even written in the Torah that Tamar did not see the face of Judah since she was covered. "The Torah does not change. The body should be concealed so its shape won't be seen. The face and the body-shape of a woman might be an obstacle to men. The more layers of clothes, the women's modesty is higher regarded." Rebbetzin Keren, a mother-of-ten and a practitioner of alternative medicine, devotes much of her time to silence and prayer, but is also a charismatic preacher to her growing flock. Her outfit consists of 10 thick skirts, seven long robes, five kerchiefs knotted at the chin, three knotted at the back of the head, and her face hidden behind a knitted linen veil. The whole costume is covered head-to-toe by several thin shawls. According to Maariv, Rebbetzin Keren's community consists of about 50 followers in Beit Shemesh, 70 in Jerusalem , and dozens more in Safed and in the Orthodox settlements of Beitar Illit and Elad. But such extreme devotion does not appeal to the Orthodox establishment, in spite of its own support for tzniut, or modesty. According to the Ha'aretz newspaper, the Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem forced a couple to a divorce — even though the husband appealed for a matrimonial reconciliation — because the woman was totally covered by a veil. They also awarded custody to the husband, in spite of his wife's complaints of violence, and issued a warrant for a psychiatric examination for her. One of Mrs Keren's closest disciples, a convert to Judaism known only as Anne, told Ma'ariv she hopes "that men will demand that their wives would wear the robes and the veil. That in a few years all the men in the Orthodox public would discover the sweetness of the clothes' layers and the modesty that is behind the veil." The women apparently do not feel any solidarity with their Muslim counterparts. Another follower interviewed by the newspaper, Miriam, 32, said: "People are asking: 'Who is it? A Muslim? An Arab?' But there are people in the Orthodox public who insult us, and that hurts us most. Only an Orthodox person knows what an insult it is for a woman to be told that she's a Christian or an Arab." Professor Tamar Elor, a scholar of Charedi society at Jerusalem 's Hebrew University , told the JC that there was a strong element of feminine defiance in the phenomenon. "The decision over the modesty issue, and obsessive discussion about the body, was all in the hands of the rabbis. "And here, the women took over it and brought it to the edge, just like a former trend in which women gave birth to more children than their spouse wanted. "It's as if they say, 'If that's my expertise — I'll excel at it'. Thus, they move the power to their own hands". ----------- After reading couple of articles in JC News, I found few interesting points there. 1- This is a religious movement leading by a woman. 2- Apparently, these ladies have many children. Again, according to the same articles, it seems it is one of their holy goals. 3- They cover themselves secure and avoid direct contact with other men. 4- What I found ironic is that many people of their greater communities (Orthodox and moderate Jewish) somehow look down to them. Even in extreme cases consider them as mentally extremely disturb. However, it seems to me that these ladies are making a social/political statement i.e. a protestation against their larger community concept of womanhood. Unfortunately, it maybe true, many men by instinct or whatever reason, in depth of their mind consider woman as a commodity, someone that should be kept hidden at home doing the housework, bringing up and taking care of children, etc.

^^^Loooool. HAHAHa. Adam I love this idea. HAHAHa MAdame Ceeb! lol. 2020, maybe too soon dear

A stable Kenya is good for Africa as whole and the economic development of East Africa.... That and the fact I need a home close to home. FB: Kenyans had more to lose than Somali's, from what I understand most of the ones creating the civil unrest hadaab were the shaqaalaan youngsters in the slums and those seeking revenge for wars centuries ago. The majority of Kenyans just wanted to get on with live. Malika better I do it than anyone else. I agree with Xiin on that.

I have a problem with the so called shikes that brainwash these little kids. They are misguided and the tactics they use are not Islamic. The real criminal is the one who twists the deen to get young boys as young as 13/ 14 to committee murder., blow themselves up or innocent civilians. In saying that desperate situations leads people into desperate actions. If the Ethiopians were not there, there would’ve been no reason/ common ground to unite them. Ultimitley the blame and responsibility must be bored by those who created the situation and environment to allow these idologies to flourish. Without these conditions, there would’ve been no Al Shabab. I don't know the old man or who/ what he was: so may allah reward him for that which he did which was good..

^^^^African countries/leaders were not as mature in the 90's as they are now. They did not have the capacity to deal with the madness that was and is Somalia. Kenyan's and Somali clan structure differ, although both have always had inter clan wars, Somalis are on a level of their own. I’m glade Kenya is not joining in the chaos that is horn. Malika the AU was and still is useless and ineffective.

^^^Loool. HAHa. Serenity; I just remembered something you told me previously about asking for advise. lol. Damn I wasted 10mins writing that, if only I had remembered it hadeerto.

Hi Serenity: He is wrong to throw a huff, as I assume he use to see you without your masar before last week. Just tell the truth: Brother I'm not making a mockery of Islam and the Hijab, but I'm still working on it. I would appreciate it if you do not judge me and let me do it in my own time. After all I'm sure he would rather you wore it for the right reasons, in addition surely he has his own short comings (in his Islamic practice) which he would not like if you highlighted it. In any case if he has a role (if any to play in this) it is to encourage you, not scare you into hiding and running from him. It is not fair on you that you may have to avoid wearing it to work again unless you are 100% sure you will keep it on, just to avoid him throwing a huff. Religious practice is one these personal things which depending on your level of Iman is continuously changing, it is hard enough as it is with out someone looking at you disapprovingly every time you work in and out of work. I know you said you don't want to explain yourself, so keep it simple. I don't think you should lie about your intentions. Thats in 2cents, hope it helps.

^^^They say two wrongs don't make it right. Both problems stem from the same root, sloving one will slove the other. :cool: Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: Africans in AFRICA are facing racism from white folks in Africa! The nerve of some people... Couldn't they just bundle them up in ropes and roast them on a brazier! Qaadow.

^^^Loool. Not in THAT respect dear. lol. North it looks like you have everything going for you today, one of those days where everything is just right...we aint had those in a while. My university is sending us on some residential Friday till Monday, I don't know if I should be looking forward to it or not. :confused:

^^^I'm just observing. I will continue to observe. If I explain I'm scared of what you may do. *looks @ his signature.

KK: Come now, are you telling me we cannot have our own saying as well?? pluz isqoor bilaa ils makes no sense. :confused: Che: Me thinks it is a bit more than that...but if you say so.

^^^^Keenyaati has a claim in both places me thinks. Che; what is happening to you these days? I see you ever so slightly shifting your normal political stance. KK, I dhoon understand what you said, come again? EDIT: Okay I think I get it now, and I dhoon keer for your response. I'm not going to go around is circles again. I'm sure your right anyway, on both accounts. I am isqor bila qaalin.

^^^Loool. Kaa daah plz! lol KK I can only add something new if your truly understand and grasp the first bit dee. lol. you never admitted before that you "get it" so I could not go on....

KK glade I can give your memory a little jog. Obviously I disagree, as it is not at all obvious, or even the case that this site for people who have particular inclinations towards certain ideologies. As I told you then, and I just told MMA, the owner of the site can chose to have an exclusive site just for people of certain origin/ political inclinations, but I don’t think he has, therefore anyone and everyone whether from Somalia or any where else is welcome to use and express their opinion. There is nothing that makes JAC threads anymore useless/useful in comparison to Duke countless ones.

^^^Sure no problem. The "this is Somaliaonline not Somalilandonline" line originally coined by your good self is being employed by others now. Blessed; lol okay, I dhoon keer! lol I'm say that all the time now! hehe

^^Don't miss the Gym again, haadikaal yaa waaxa kaa ceelinyah! Thanks Today, I did a lot...but it feels like I did not. :confused:

Originally posted by Nephthys: quote:Originally posted by Ibtisam: Then they drove all the way to shike to sit/dance on the top of the mountains. Sadly I did not have enough time to go to all three or the trip to the mountings. They love their lavish weddings. L0L! Ohhh! I assume you have mountain lifts there? cuz can't imagine Somali women climbing the mountain in their six yard bacween-diracs. Unless you folks are born spider-women, climb like spider and swing like one.. L0L. Loool No the road goes right thorough and to the top of the mountain. They drive to the top and then get out of the cars, when they finish their ciiyaa, they drive back down in their cars, see weehiy Neh..daaku waa ilbaaxin nowdays.! lol

^^^ARe you sure you live in Somalia?? The one wedding I went to back home, they hired out dozen cars and made us sit in them and drive around the city beeping! lol. And they did that for the Mehr, wedding and xeedo! Then they drove all the way to shike to sit/dance on the top of the mountains. Sadly I did not have enough time to go to all three or the trip to the mountings. They love their lavish weddings.

^^^Why would you ask a women who has beard and sharrbo "what is that"? Xishood daaranda adgu?? lol HAHA lool. And really Geel_ Jire, keep up, she can wax/shave it off... I mean if she is bothered enough about beauty to change her colour, she can surely was facial hair off too.

^^Looool, Kenyan's too! Loool What are you doing here @ bless! I dhoon keer, digaarka u sheega! This cracked me up to no endz! loool I dhoon keer! hehe lool. How strange KK argument is gaining some popularity. Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: [qb] Well, it is SOL's -- Soomaaliya Onlayn -- capital, lest you didn't decipher that. If you don't believe Soomaaliya as your own country, I don't know what you are doing here and desperately deluging with propagandic, unverified hearsay articles day in and out, that advocate the dismemberment of the very name this site honourably carries and is named after. :eek: :eek: If the owner wants to come out and say he only wants people who are from what is now know as "Somalia" then that is a different story, but I understood that it is an open forum and the more traffic (hits) there are the better for the owner. There are also people who are not even ethnically Somali on this site. This site is full of propaganda, unverified hearsay and even false claims, it is a forum, you are free to challenge or refute any claims he makes in line with forum practice even with your own unverified hearsay and propaganda, as people often do. There is nothing concert. On the topic: How on earth are you going to make the people you beat into submission pay you (fake government) tax's?? daad waalan. Most of these people are poor and need help, there is no way they will pay for you to feed, while they die!.

I'm telling you CG you was dreaming! P.s. did you hide under your bed? or pray or calling the shike to find out if the world was ending?

Puntland is a nationality? Why does it need a constitution, I thought it did not want to be a sovereign entity. Did I miss something?

^^^Lool. Today; for a moment I felt like..time stood still.

Since when did been "black" amount to the shade of your skin. So the darker you are the more "black" you are?