^^^Loool naag waalan. Lily, these women your brother kaa diici

^^^Loool @ how you gonna meet people Ms DD I don't even know you know. I don't even work, hadaan I'm tired.

^^^Loool slightly missed-placed. Malika, sorry to hear about the teachers death.

^^^You are always missing her calls and then saying sorry on here or FB! Pick up your phone women! *ducks Hi Ms DD Malika take one them Cara is too far.

^^^Loooool Sorry I did forget that :cool: Giant male ego and bequiet little lady loool Hahah

^^^^Looool CL that was is ugly

Ngonge I think you just want to argue you for the sake of it. Even JB has agreed with me long time ago. Look above :cool: There is no way of getting around this, you parents will influence what you do and the your way of thinking, when you grow older, you keep what is useful and dish the rest. The arugument is whether they do this well or not. I don't see the big deal.

^^^Loool @ yellow pages! haha Malika don't you have one of those useful, yet hopeful, yet deadend on your side type of friend?? :confused: Take them

Ngonge, I don't see what is so important that he said, like he said it is a view. :rolleyes: to sum him up; Religion is used by insecure parents against their kids' underdeveloped cognitive abilities, therefore it is a hindrance to their education and critical thinking. The same could be said for values, culture, Manners etc. A child's knowledge is made of what they absorb around them in their society and what their parents teach them. Religion is no different, the values they pick up and learn in a Islamic household will inevitable have basis in religion even if they do not go to a formal Islamic school. :confused: The same argument could be used against taking them to school, work etc. As they get older they will learn to question and re-affirm or leave that which their parents and everyone shared. I don't see what it is so complicated about that. People change in life and take different directions. Parents are there to shape their children views, values and beliefs.Sheeko kaal keen meesha.

WHy is she smiling?? CL did you kill her??

^^I did not read what he said, well put or not. The above can simply be summed up as: God said, and therefore you must obey. Its not really much of an explanation at all. If you tell a child 'God said this', they would most likely follow it up with 'But why did God say that?'. A child must be able to understand their role in the wider context in th community and how their actions and looks effect that. And although kids might understand this, they may not appreciate it until they are old enough to have be part of that experience. That is the long and short of it, thanks Serenity. You can explain why they must obey god, without drawing on the wider community. Although I'm sure it helps. 5) The hijab is Haya, morality etc. ^ Haya and morality has little if anything at all to do with how one looks but how one acts. Go back to the drawing board Ibs Are you sure dear?? :cool:

Ngonge: I can see it perfectly well I'm just not of the crew that likes to argue with Johnny. I mean what is the point?? :cool: As for narrowing it down. The arguments on this thread are centred on those ideas and the inability for kids to understand this or have the desirable features to cover up! I'm simply pointing out that it is not all about this. Go figure.

^^^Cara depends on their age. If theya re older only if it is a girls only school Ngonge: Whatever it was, it worked for me, so I see no reason to change it. I refuse to narrow down the virtue of hijab to Men's pervertedness and lack of self control :cool:

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Indoctrination here we come. Ibti, You just made that list up. Sounds like a sexed up advert for the Hijab. A load of hogwash of course. Ngonge I happen to believe it, I was told this at young age. :cool:

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My dear Malika; you have describe one virtue of Hijab, but there are other virtues of Hijab that IF I had a daughter I could explain to her perfectly well. These are what I would explain. 1)That hijab is first and foremost an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh). 2)That the hijab is Allah Shield and protection, without it you have broken Allah’s shield. 3)That the hijab is Taqwah; by this I mean that is fear of running counter to the will of allah. Taqwa is based on the Love of Allah, if I teach my child to love allah, they will have no problem understanding this. 4)The hijab is Imaan, It is central to their believe. 5) The hijab is Haya, morality etc. A 5-6 year old can understand that just fine. By the time they have reached puberty, they should already know and be acting it.

^^^WHy would you not go into details :confused: There is no shameful reason behind why we wear hijabs. Narrowing down the purpose of hijab to "so that men do not look at you" is short sighted.

^^^They run off together. WHy do you miss them?? JB is gone Jumca prayer and food, then sleep. It is weekend for him. CL was last seen in the toilet beating that women who stole her works as*S.

^^^^I know, you know, no need for me to write an essay, stating the obvious Yaa Ngonge, horta do you get off on making me write essays?!

^^^It is always nice to say sorry. Otherwise You'll never be able to look at him in the eye again and will always feel guilty. Pluz he may hold a grudge and it will complicate things and blow them out of proportion.

^^^Kids are not stupi*d. Many understand the deen better than some adults, when they are taught. There is a difference between making them wear something just for the sake of it and making them understand WHY they wear a hijab.

Serenity; do tell. what happened?? you got bariis, and few soamli songs. No one danced, and they sold you few things. I had a great time too.

OH SHID^^

WHy would your teenage daughter suddenly decide to make herself a stranger among her friends by putting a hijab on. It saves them the painful process of trying to make new friends and explain themselves to everyone who they've run around with since childhood. Where as if they wear it from a young age, it just because part of them and they do not see as something which makes them an outsider, nor will they have to explain to the other little kids of a sudden change. Ngonge made a good point, although he was taking the pi*ss. Yes kids should be expected to act in an "Islamic way" not to mix with boys, scream or run around. It is part of instilling adaab in your daughter at an early stage. It is the same as teaching your kids to help the old lady next door, or say thank you to the bus driver/ shop assistant etc. Yes, the parents knows best until the little kid is no longer a kid and has all the necessary information and knowledge to make their own decisions. If they then decide to take it all off and joint the circus, there is not much you can do about it, you've done your duty as a Muslim Parent. This notion of let “kids be kids” “Teenage years” “Young adults” is all bullshid excuses to justify people never growing up and taking responsibility for anything. Kids can be kids before they reach 7, you better start treating them like adults by then, instead of babying them more with rubbish like “oh it is still a child” *ducks…

That's what the poor maskeenah gets when she spoils rotten Mr. Minjo-baasto ood moodid qaxootigii sablaale (no clue where that is, lol) inuu ka soo hadhay. Wax loo naxo walee ma istaahilaan rag aan ogahay. lol I never cracked up so much, oh lord. loool Thanks Haneefa!.