My point is that, while bloody protest or whatnot don’t take place in Awdal, the fact is this admin has not done much for that region, and as matter of a fact neglects most of its regions. You cant just follow because you don’t like the other side Maybe Reer Awdal was expecting special treatment :confused: Because having being to all the regions, no admin has done jack shid for anyone, everyone was hassling and trying to make it on their own. Reer Awdal are getting on with things just like all the other region simple because although admin does not constitute anything beneficial to their life’s, it provides and maintains the conditions to allow them to continue living their life and making a living. Most people back home are grateful for that if nothing else. Awdal is a sleeping giant. Wake it up and you'll be wishing you hadn't for a very long time My dear, I’m sorry to be the one who tells you this, but if the blame of all the things that went wrong with this admin was to be laid at a regions feet, reer Awdal ayao soo doortey this dude as a representative, the rest of Somaliland should feel cheated that Reer Awdal sent such incompetent poor communicator, I know they have better people they could’ve put forward. Maybe they are saving those for the revival of greater Somalia In any case girls you need to separate two things: 1) You think reer Awdal never wanted to be part of Somaliland, wants it even less now, regardless of who is the leader is and what they are offered. 2) Reer Awdal wanted to be part of Somaliland, they came and participated willingly, but now feel that they have been mistreated or “stepped on” as Xidigo says, or were expecting handouts from their relative but he has not given enough or anything. And although they value peace [the conditions Somaliland provides] They think peace comes at too higher price. The two are two very distinct arguments. My view is that although the current admin has not anything substantial for any region, most people fear chaos, bloodshed and violence, in their peace loving nature, they will let whoever wishes to run with the state and its limited resources while they get on with their life as usual. I guess it takes a lot of beating for the North to rebel and react with violence. I don’t think this admin or Somaliland project has beat them too hard yet. This is clearly reinforced by the lack of alternative in the south. P.s. I always wanted the chance to say this to show how illogical this line of argument was so here it goes; This is a domestic issues for Somaliland and Somlilanders, to borrow Che, Kool Kat, Bashii and Xiin, Emperor, and peace argument, the rest of you do not have a stake in to, nor can you know what is in the best interest for Somaliland internal struggle. [yaad yaad yaa about we still think Somaliland is part of Somalia] :rolleyes:

^^^Lool, it is not that bad, I could do with 5more, but if not 45 is still an okay sample. By friday I'm sure I'll run into 5 Somalilanders with out camping out at the maqaxi.

*No s*hit Sherlock*

^^^ :eek: maa naaxisiid! No thanks

Ms DD and Co New Zealand only has 123 personnel in Afghanistan and they participate in reconstruction, rather than finding Taliban. The two other places New Zealand army is deployed ins East Timor and Solomon Islands. As far as I know there is no war going on in either, where he will be randomly killing people. The fact of the matter is, this brother will pick up some vital training and survival skills [providing he does not give up due to racism and bullying] which he can use for the rest of his life regardless of where he goes. If Somalia become stable, who knows maybe he teach them how to aim and shoot with out killing 10 stand bys. Let him learn western warfare, it may come in hand in the future for the Muslims or Somalia. Some soldiers stay in the army for years and years without killing anyone, I am not surprised that he joined the army, it is the only thing he knew back home, might as well perfect the skill. You cannot compare driving a taxi with the army, driving a taxi clearly has no transferable beneficial skills and leads to depression and brain dead. A young person in the west with all the available options and opportunities should not see taxi driving as a career choice [you can do it to make money for few months if you must]. Some of our parents may have arrived in western countries at old age with language and skill barriers and in order to provide for their families, started driving taxis or security guards etc, and while that is respectable as they were only trying to make do with their ability at the time. You are in a better position to try something else. So stop hating on the brother, nurses, doctors etc are good, but few people doing odd things is great in the long term.

5,000 and 10,000 :eek: Are they not pushing him a bit too much. Only two other well trained legends are considering doing both in the Beijing heat and pollution. I remember in 2004, I don't if it is the same girl, but the one who run 800 was left so far behind. They are putting these kids under too much pressure and how can they compete at such level with no training or prior competition. I wonder if they achieved the Olympics standard qualifying time? Good luck to them, I'll cheer them on. It would be remarkable if they perform well, but then they will be sold to other nations who can train them and pay them.

Qaaxaar baadaan ninku :rolleyes:

~I have a few, it just a skirt (a wrap around skirt) I don't know why guys wear it! It looks hideous and too feminine on men, not to mention half of them don’t know how to wear it, and look like they are going to lose it any minute now. :rolleyes:

For your information I'm awake at all hrs, and at uni 8-8 :mad: :mad: So don't you dare call me smelly, lazy, too much sleep student :mad: I'm having a mental block so I'm keep you guys company for a while I need 5 more people, I'm stuck on 45. Anyone know of any somali events happening before friday???

Mark Steel is brilliant writer, with a great mix of humour and politics. His lectures are normally funny and educational [to white people] He even brightens up Radio 4. Read to the end, this is great The Sun newspaper has come over a bit modest. Following a Channel 4 documentary about media reporting of Muslims, the paper accepts some of its stories were "distorted". But they're not doing themselves justice. They weren't distorted – they were entirely made up. For example, a story about a Muslim bus driver who ordered his passengers off the bus so he could pray was pure fabrication. But if reporters are allowed to make up what they like, that one should be disciplined for displaying a shocking lack of imagination. He could have continued, "The driver has now won a case at the Court of Human Rights that his bus route should be altered so it only goes east. This means the 37A from Sutton Coldfield will no longer stop at Selly Oak library, but go the wrong way up a one-way street and carry on to Mecca. Local depot manager Stan Tubworth said, 'I suggested he only take it as far as Athens but he threatened a Jihad, and a holy war is just the sort of thing that could put a service like the Selly Oak Clipper out of business'." Then there was a story about "Muslim thugs" in Windsor who attacked a house used by soldiers, except it was another invention. But with this tale the reporter still claims it's true, despite a complete absence of evidence, because, "The police are too politically correct to admit it." This must be the solution to all unsolved crimes. With Jack the Ripper it's obvious – he was facing the East End of London, his victims were infidels and he'd have access to a burqua which would give him vital camouflage in the smog. But do the pro-Muslim police even bother to investigate? Of course not, because it's just "Allah Allah Allah" down at the stations these days. Maybe Muslim newspapers should retaliate by publishing their own made-up stories. So it will be reported that "Barmy PC teachers in Leicester have banned children from playing Noughts and Crosses, claiming the cross reminds Church of England kiddies of the suffering undertaken by Lord Jesus. A spokesman for the Board of Education said, 'We have to be sensitive. Which is why we've replaced the game with 'Noughts and Hexagons'. We did look into calling it 'Noughts and Crowns of Thorns' but decided Hexagons was more appropriate." Or, "Doctors have been told that patients are no longer to be referred to as 'stable', as this is offensive to followers of Jesus, who was said to have been born in one. So medical staff have been informed they must use an alternative word, or if they can't think of one just let the patient die." The most common justification for ridiculing Islam is that the religion is "backward", particularly towards women, as a fundamental part of its beliefs. The Sun's old political editor suggests this as a defence of his newspaper's stance, saying that under Islam, "women are treated as chattels". And it's true that religious scriptures can command this, such as the insistence that, "a man may sell his daughter as a slave, but she will not be freed at the end of six years as men are." Except that comes from the Bible – Exodus, Chapter 21, verse 7. The Bible is packed with justifications for slavery, including killing your slaves. So presumably the Sun, along with others who regard Islam as a threat to our civilisation, will soon be campaigning against "Sunday Schools of Hate" where children as young as seven are taught to read this grisly book. And next Easter they'll report how, "I saw a small child smile with glee as he opened a Cadbury's egg filled with chocolate buttons. But behind his grin I couldn't help but wonder whether he wanted to turn me into a pillar of salt, then maybe sprinkle me on his menacing confectionary treat." In his defence of making stuff up, the Sun's ex-political editor spoke about the amount of domestic violence suffered by Muslim women. But there's just as much chance of suffering domestic violence if you're not a Muslim, as one of the 10 million such incidents a year that take place in Britain. Presumably the anti-Islam lobby would say, "Ah yes, but those other ones involve secular wife-beating, which is not founded on archaic religious customs, but rational reasoning such as not letting him watch the snooker." And finally the Sun's man defends the line of his paper by saying that, after all, these Muslims "are trying to bomb our country". So it's their civic duty to make stuff up – the same as keeping a look-out for spies during the Second World War. So we should all do our bit, and every day send in something, until the press is full of stories like "Muslims in Darlington have been raising money for semtex by organising panda fights." Or "In Bradford all nurseries have been ordered to convert their dolls' houses into miniature mosques so that Muslim teddies have somewhere to pray." I could not help laughing my *** off! lol LOL LOL such a good idea, send in our own crazy stories and see if they print them Lol. Haha. Source: The independent

I walked out of the computer lab, down two floors, did my wudu and then down two floors to head to the prayer room. I run into one of my lectures, who congratulated me for his module and insisted on shaking hands with me, I thanked him, declined the offer for a beer, and headed back to the toilet to do my wudu again. Once again I finished and headed out again, down two floors. I nearly made into the prayer room, when I saw my dissertation tutor, I told him I was freaking out because my data collection was not going according to plan, he told me to come and see him on Thursday PM, in the duration of this conversation, he had patted my arm/ shoulder several times. I debated about this one, because I thought it is like when some touches you on the train/ bus, but that is not strictly true, I made no effort to move away from his touch. Ishe cleek.! :mad: For the third time I headed back up two floors to do my wudu. You should’ve seen me, poking my head out of the door to see if the coast is clear, before making a dash for it. I run into a friend, I thought better be save than sorry, and taking a few steps back warned [almost shouted] at him “don’t touch me” he looked slightly shocked and lost for words, I walked around him muttering under my breath and almost sprinted the rest of the way only to run smack into a brother coming out of the prayer room. I nearly fell back, the brother had to grab my hand to keep me standing. Oh lord. I took me from 1.20 till 2.05 to do all this and finally pray. Shid. Now my friend wants an explanation for my random outburst. Lol what a day.

Channel 4 Wants to Know More About the Online British Muslim Community Where do British Muslims go on the web? What sites excite them or entertain them? Do social networks and blogs cater to the needs of Muslims? Channel 4 is conducting research into the online habits and interests of British Muslim communities. If you would like to contribute, or have any comments to make, please email: BeeSiddiq@googlemail.com

Enjoy Europe's largest celebration of Islamic heritage, culture & traditions under one roof. 11- 14th July 2008Take your family along, it is good fun if you have kids. :cool: CONCERTS Abu Rateb Junaid Jamshed Kareem Salama Mecca2Medina Outlandish Rachid Gholam Sound of Reason Zain Bhikha URBAN YOUTH STAGE hosted by mecca2medina Arabingi (formerly known as UK Apache) Baby Muslims Fasabililah Lil Mia Craze the Palestinian Minority/Rotation Muslim Belal Nomadic Poet/The Planets Pearls of Islam Truthful Movement Young Ummah COMEDY Aman the Asian Sensation Bilal the Halal Mo Amer Prince Abdi Uncle the Invisible Nigerian Muslim Brother FILM Films, Documentaries & Cartoons for all ages. SILAT Discover the ancient martial art from Indonesia. 14 Spectacular Zones include: SPORTS Meet celebrities from the cricket and football world. Observe our football tournaments and martial arts demonstrations. COOKERY Meet the ExpoChef. Watch our celebrities and London's top restaurant chefs cooking. FUN Enjoy bouncy castles to exciting rides, fun for all the family. FASHION Sister's only Fashion Show and displays of garments from around the world. HEALTH & LIFESTYLE Indulge in health and beauty treatments, get advice or simply put on some henna. ISLAMIC GARDENS Relax and reflect in our Persian, Andalucian, Mughal and Ottoman Gardens. Listen to Quran recitation, storytelling and poetry. LECTURES & SEMINARS Listen to key speakers, academics and thinkers from around the world. ENTERTAINMENT Watch performances, films, theatre, nasheeds & comedy. ISLAMIC ART & EXHIBITIONS Wander through the galleries, explore exhibitions and take a journey back in time through the interactive Islamic history timeline. CAREERS Get help with a new CV and receive advice on a career change. SOUK Look out for hijabs, abayas, perfumes and art, all can be found in this traditional arabian Bazaar. WORKSHOPS Participate in art, textiles, music and sports workshops. Catering for school groups and general visitors. ETHICAL INVESTMENT IN BRITAIN CONFERENCE Help promote Britain as a major centre for ethical investment. DEBATES BY The Guardian, Demos, Conflicts Forum, Forward Thinking, TUC and NASACRE. For more information check the website or call 0845 108 5101 Venue: Olympia London Nearest Tube: Kensington Olympia Tickets: 0871 230 7138

^^Are you gonna take some people along?? Loool North, why baad ii qarxiisy! Ngonge lol, [shakes head] A&T you might need to work on that.

little your history include your edication no more than 3 line. email this information to somali-idol@hotmail.com you have up to 25 may, first come first go. I think this is a joke

Ngonge, it was a public organization,[ Did you think it was a private individual?] which displays their details in public, available to anyone. Stop making me sound like a lunatic who sneaked into their office after hrs and stole their contacts, then asked people to spam or send them hate mail! I know the difference between those accountable to the public and hold a certainly level of responsibility towards society or at least those it claims to represent and private individuals. Otherwise I would’ve asked people to e-mail the presenter and throw stones at her house. I’m being reasonable, so work with me. :cool: North, yes so could I, but from what I can see, we cannot blame C4, rather they found every Muslim with a strange view and looped them all together in 1hr. A&T; W/salam, btw Gaal-ismood is nasty thing to say about a Muslim. Unless they claim that they are indeed, Gaal or gaal-ismood, adigu tambi haa doonani. Lastly East London Mosque, LMC have open days for non Muslims on the 12th and 13th July 2008. Please take your none-Muslims along.

Also Next Monday 9th July, C4 8pm We have The Qur’an The Qur’an has become the most ideologically influential text in the world, but what does it actually say? And how much do Muslims and non-Muslims understand its message and its history? In this fascinating and challenging documentary, award-winning filmmaker Antony Thomas, investigates how a text that has inspired peace, tolerance and creativity down the ages can be used to justify violence and terrorism amongst a minority of Muslims. The Qur’an explores the history of Islam’s holiest book and asks what it says about issues such as women’s equality, mercy and punishment, war, peace and suicide bombing, and relations with other faiths. Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the word of God, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad nearly 1,500 years ago. From women’s rights to freedom of speech, and from punishment to forgiveness, it affects every aspect of their lives. But they don’t all read it in the same way. This documentary takes us to places where women may not vote or drive cars, and to countries where they lead political parties; mosques where devotees pray to saints, and others where this would be seen as idol worship; devotees who dance, sing and feel Allah in their hearts, and imams who insist on an austere version of Islam. This powerful film meets a diverse range of people living according to their understanding of the Qur’an, from ayatollahs to peasant farmers, and from hardline fundamentalist imams to progressive Islamic thinkers. It asks how – if the Qur’an is the ultimate and changeless message of God – such differences are possible.

What a splendid documentary. It was about time such a programme was produced and aired. The main message was: people treat Muslims in a bad way that they would never dare to treat others. Excellent I wanted him to investigate much responsibility Muslim organisations bear for the poor public image of Islam, and whether they should have done more to win the public's confidence in the wake of 7/7. One or two of the statistics looked wobbly too. Is anyone surprised that "only" 50% of Britons have a Muslim friend? :eek: Lastly, the documentary was followed by the documentary on 7/7 and how there are over 2,000 terrorist in the UK. I guess they could not look/sound too positive about Islam on 7/7. P.s. Don't forget to contact Channel 4 and Peter Oborne to thank them for making a brilliant documentary: 0845 076 0191 or e-mail If we don't support positive coverage of Muslims, can't expect more positive programmes! Ngonge, you should do this, since you do not like complaining :cool:

Police embroiled in new race row after claims that at least 20 forces blocked inquiries into discrimination against Muslims. The Home Secretary was asked to intervene in a fresh police race row today as it was claimed at least 20 forces blocked an inquiry into discrimination against Muslim officers. Barely half of the 43 forces in England and Wales co-operated in an audit into the treatment of officers from ethnic minorities, the National Association of Muslim Police said. In a letter to Jacqui Smith, Zaheer Ahmad, president of the association, also claimed information from the forces that did respond suggested routine racial harassment. Referring to 10 years since the inquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence found the Metropolitan Police to be 'institutionally racist', an association spokesman said its audit revealed 'we still do not have the level of diversity that the public rightly expects.' Progress on diversity was 'painfully slow', he added. The revelations come just days after it emerged Tarique Ghaffur, Britain's most senior Muslim officer, was considering suing the Metropolitan police for discrimination. From the data provided to the association, it was revealed 95% of black and minority ethic officers were in the most junior rank. Figures also revealed Muslim officers were almost 'entirely absent' from specialist operations such as counter-terrorism - a move Mr Ahmad believed was hampering the fight against terrorism. In the questionnaire, the association asked forces about the promotional prospects, rank and number of Muslim and black officers employed. Initially just 11 of the 43 forces replied - 23 co-operated when the deadline was extended. In his letter sent to Ms Smith and all the chief constables, Mr Ahmad asked: 'Why were some forces unable or unwilling to cooperate while others completed in full and on time? Why did some forces refuse to complete on grounds of the pretext of the data protection act, while others said they did not have the time to take part? 'If the police are serious about ensuring that Muslim officers are able to rise through the ranks at the same speed as their fellow white officers, and ensuring that Muslims are deployed to counter-terrorism duties at a time of heightened national security, we must have reliable data to track progress and measure success.' The letter, which came to light after it was leaked to the Observer newspaper, went on to warn forces the association would lodge a Freedom of Information request if they continued to refuse to take part. It also urged the Home Secretary to order a 'critical review' of racism in the police before the 10-year anniversary of Sir William Macpherson's report. The letter continued: 'Muslim officers are being overlooked, potentially discriminated against in promotion or are failing to receive the necessary training and personal development that would allow them to rise through the ranks.' From the replies it received, just 0.3% of police officers were found to be Muslim, compared with three per cent of the British population. Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk

Channel 4 will be airing the Dispatches documentary, It Shouldn't Happen to a Muslim, next Monday 7th July at 9pm, which investigates the rise of violence, intolerance and hatred against British Muslims since the 7/7 London Bombings. A synopsis: On the third anniversary of the 7/7 London Bombings, political commentator and journalist Peter Oborne investigates whether these attacks and the fear of terrorism has fuelled the rise of violence, intolerance and hatred against British Muslims. He discovers that for many in the Muslim community, Britain is becoming a very frightening place. Dispatches meets a range of British Muslims who now live in daily fear, some because their homes are constantly vandalised, others because they or family have suffered devastatingly violent attacks. An exclusive ICM opinion poll commissioned for Dispatches reveals the extent to which Muslims have experienced hostility, abuse and prejudice since 7/7. The same poll also reveals the general public's attitudes towards Islam and relations with Muslims. Since the bombings there has understandably been much press coverage of the attacks and other terrorist incidents. Oborne investigates whether this coverage has had the side-effect of portraying Islam and British Muslims in a relentlessly negative fashion, leading to the demonization of a diverse group of two million people, most of whom have nothing to do with terrorism. Dispatches commissioned a sophisticated study of press coverage from Cardiff University's School of Journalism. The research examined articles published in the British press over the last eight years and their depiction of Muslims and Islam. The troubling results of the study are revealed in the film. Oborne also investigates the sources and accuracy of a rash of press stories that have entered the public consciousness – such as a London council 'banning Christmas' out of deference to Muslims and a 'Muslim hate mob' wrecking a house rented to returning soldiers from Afghanistan. Oborne concludes that in today's climate the media say things about Islam and Muslims they would never say about other groups. When he replaces the word' 'Muslim' in some recent headlines with 'Jews', 'Blacks' and 'Gays' and shows them to members of the public, they find those headlines deeply offensive. In his first interview since leaving the Metropolitan Police, the man who headed anti-terror operations on 7/7 and afterwards, former assistant commissioner Andy Hayman talks about the poor relations between Muslims and the security services. There will also be an opportunity to put your questions to Peter Oborne in a live web chat that will take place on the Channel 4 website after the Dispatches programme finishes at 9pm on Monday 7th July. Don't forget to write to C4 after you view the program, either congratulate them if it's well made, or complain if it misrepresents us. Be active about your media representation people. Ngonge; I don't care what you think, leave me alone! Salamah

Ngonge, you think the AFRICAN CENTRE is a small organisations in the middle of no where??? lol And you think it is an African organisation! lol I rest my case. As I said I can only guide people. Beyond that Shaaqaad maah.

Ngonge; I will always run the risk of people misusing the information I gave them. For example a contact in Palestine once sent me disturbing pictures, which I posted on the website. I accidently went to a “Islamic talk” a few weeks later, only to see the same images being used to emotional manipulate people into acting irrationally. This is an extreme example, however my point is that many people will use information/ opinions/ research I/ We make available. I am not responsible for this. I can only point people in the right direction, and hope they walk that way. If they run in the opposite direction without my knowledge, that is their decision and they would have found one reason or another to justify their behaviour, with or without me. Now I’m off to Mandela’s concert. I hope it doesn’t rain. P.s. While I don’t always approve of MPAC methods and approach, they are one of the few organisations who have a strategic vision, understanding and actually try to do something, rather than sit on their as*s pleasing uncle Tom. If nothing else, I can honestly say they work for the benefit for the community and Muslims with their own funds, time and effort, for that alone, I am willing to over look minor issues. Ngonge and Thierry, why don't you attend the next MPAC event and find out for yourself. I really don't want to turn this into defend MPAC thread.

^No? Ngonge: It worries many people. I’ve come to accept that I am an extremist in many causes. You are not telling me anything I already did not know, I don’t do half measures in life, regardless of the issue. Everything should be done to the point of extremism, all the way or not at all. I do have control over the content. People are lazy. I send them edited versions of my e-mail for them to send. Ngonge why are you not on my e-mail alert system? :confused:

^^^So that is what this is about? I knew it was coming from beyond this story. :rolleyes: I've never asked anyone to insult anyone, in fact I said send a polite e-mail!.

Ngonge; You've wasted far more of my time today then it took me to send 7 different e-mails from my different accounts yesterday. Shiid, wasting my time for no reason. :rolleyes: Now if you can let me go back to my hiding. I hate going around in circles. :mad: