^^^Loool. I doubt you will be able to do anything else but answer all those pleas and queries! lool @ Photo op. You guys have a good strategic location, the Somali community should use it well, and you can be the token immigrant community!

Ngonge I found something that suits you to perfection. "The Art of Complaining" I tired of you and your madness. In time you will see, I was right all along. p.s. Yes Ken, in the Mayor election, I remember going in circles with you, in fact I think it is when you gave me the busybody label. I can't remember if you commented on the other. Now you are telling me that you've judged me based on the shike/award and the M&S campaign As for MPAC and MCB: with overlapping membership and campaigns and egos aside, they are like me and sayid, rather than like me and you P.s. Ngonge I'm going to take a break and join you to see what your boring, selfish lifestyle is like What do you say we swap lifes for a week... ok okay two days?? Here is your first attack on me Israel wipes its shoes over British law- Straw Apologises and YES MCB was on board for this one, they published the same story :rolleyes: P.s. Listen to North P.s.s. You've attacked me more than three times Ngonge, it is like a hobby for you, a favourite past time. However you've karbaash me three times.

HAHAHAHA LOoooooooooooooooool. you've just shot yourself in the foot, and illustrated that you really are clueless and on top of that have just been attacking me for no reason. 1) I am a member of MCB, in fact I'm a volunteer for their campaigns team. 2) Many of the campaigns I've highlighted here on SOL often overlapping with work I do for them or MPAC. Do you remember the Ken Livingston campaign? The niqaab campaign? women in the mosque?? boycot Isreal? 3) Most of the articles I post here are credited to prominent members of MCB. In fact the ones you attack the most are from Inayat Bunglawala who is now the assistant Secretary-Generaland previously the head of MCB. 4) Although there are minor differences in approach between MPAC and MCB, they have been joining together for campaigns within the last six months. Have you seen the MCB new directives on democracy and engagement? When you do come back to me. In any case my goal is to draw all these organisations together. Now I just need a way to influence the Sufis and BMF. Now tell me what you were saying again?? Any other suggestions Ngonge? EDIT: Looooooooooooool @ Sayid. Ngonge is so much potential. It makes me sad to give up on him, so I keep trying!

I just had lunch. Now I want to sleep.

I only know MCB (Muslim council of Britian) and the British Muslim Forum, WHo is the British Muslim Council and what do they do??

^^He is not your friend

I'm too tired to argue with you and go in circles again Ngonge. I can't help you if you refuse to listen or if you've put me in a little box and refuse to change your mind. On the one hand you agree with me, on the other you think I'm wasting away and blindly following people. You say theoretically I am correct, but I am misguided practically. You speak of countless Islamic organisations, but you don't like none of the ones I've ever mentioned. So where are these organisations, what have they achieved?? Tell me, prove it and I promise I will leave it all alone and join them. If you can't, if you won't then don't waste my time

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Hint: A whole site dedicating itself to reporting on and exposing Islamophobes. Not someone casually coming across offensive material but someone actually going out of their way to look for and unearth such material. Now that's the essence of being a busy body. This is akin to the proverbial old lady with her twitching curtains, dear. She too does not think she's doing anything wrong. She's protecting the neighbourhood after all. ^^^Sometimes waan kaa yaab. You seem to think that if you don't see or hear it won't harm you. I cannot believe I am going to have this discussion with you of all people. But here it goes anyway. 1)So you object to the Islamophobe watch because really you think they are raising the profile of Islamophobes and if we were to ignore them and pretend they don't exist they will go away. 2) I can't get past this first point, in fact it is hurting my head. SO let me keep it brief and flip it for you. Ngonge, if you have an interest or an agenda, then no will protect it for you other than YOU of course. The media and everyone Tom, Dick and Harry will mock you and your agenda, regardless of what you do. This mockery and false information goes into the mainstream society, shaping the views, perceptions of millions. These will translate into direct action against you, either in forms of policy, physical attacks or verbal abuses, there by impacting on your life. This will surprise you, as the whole time you had your head in the sand, and since you do not read 15 news papers a day and watch every news channel, you do not know what was said about you, nor did you counter it. So whose faulty is it?? Who do you blame? Not someone casually coming across offensive material but someone actually going out of their way to look for and unearth such material. Now that's the essence of being a busy body. Actually that exactly what it is, a bunch of people, who have regular life’s, each reads a certain news paper and keeps their ears and eyes open and shares if they come across anything. Lastly I know you know that nearly all media outlets have a special teams handling complaints and comments only. Therefore, they are happy to hear from you and welcome your views. The reason they are there is so you can indirectly shape what they portrait. Now THIS one you may not know, There are no other collection of organisations that are more dedicated to encouraging Islamaphobia than the Zionist organisations. They have specialist teams for no other purpose than to lobby the media and politicians and pressure them in to portraying Islam in a bad light and their own cause in a favourable light. I cannot for the life of me understand, why you continue to stick your head in the sand and refuse to use the same tools they have so successfully employed?? It is like the Muslims who still learn how to fight with swords :confused: I'm really annoyed with you, because I know you know better, but you insist on joining the happy clappers. WHY?

^^^Explain, with or without respect, its all the same to me, so knock yourself out.

^^Ngonge; You can mock me, but sooner or later I always get what I want, Some times I just have to stick my hand in the fire for a very long time to get it I already said Dawkins is an opportunist, so there is no point bothering with him really, let alone frothing at the mouth... He is like that guy, what is his name again from America who claimed black people are genetically dumb, everyone ignored him for a while, he had a book out, now he is largely forgotten. These people come and go. :rolleyes: Lool @ JB and north. p.s. I find it disturbing that there is a question mark following Islamphobia watch? Exactly what will everyone agree with you in this regard??

^^^JB I know you don't agree with that old man???

^^^I'm a passionate person in general, but never malice...

^^^Loool do you really want another one of your endless chats with JB. JB lool, since when were MY views of Dawkins political.

^^^YES, you are "too fast" for you own good. Caagah duulka kuu xeeji inshallah.

^^^I was and still I'm cool. I just think sometimes waad iska haadasha, as +Faheem told you ages ago "isid qaasabad Jaaban". Now stop hijacking my thread! I gave you your answer, I don't know you.

Well for all you know, I also could be married, and not feel the need to publicise it. In fact I’ve never said I was not married or married. Therefore it was an inappropriate comment to make, as unlike YOU, I'm only allowed ONE.

^^I already answered the question! the answer was No I don't know you! Thank the Lord for that, you one track minded freak. Adigu you are one of those people, if you see a man and women having a convo, even in public about general things, you just think MAN &Women and run back home to ashkatee the girl! Nin waalan. Life is so much more than that! But that is why I avoid talking to you, I don't want you to think waan ku hasawe, just because I commented on one of your topics! Sayid; The local shike helped us, He made a little speech about it after Jumca and on the lessons on weekends. In the Somali community often you just need to convince few key people and then keep reminding them. They are not as stubborn as the Asian community, but Somalis are suspicious, often I get “so how much you getting paid” Or are you planning to go into politics yourself or the classic joke which I heard too often “maa shaaqaadan Tony baad raabta! Lol. Somali people are by far the easiest Muslim group to get on your side, only problem is we don’t have any money, work too many jobs and don’t control any institutions such as research centres and mosques, nor do we hold high profile public jobs. Asian people on the other hand, are either too cultural, will fight you with everything they have, super resistant to change; Or they are loyal to labour, and regardless of what, they will always vote same way, you could not get them to change, particularly the Pakistanis! :eek: They threw eggs at us for campaign against Jack straws Blackburn seat about four years ago, outside a mosque! :eek:

Lool @ you know we are Somali, really? No way! Haha lol, in addition to the Xaram excuses. The one excuses I hate is; “what can we do sister? They are Kufar they all hate us!” We really need to get over this misconception that ALL journalists and politicians hate us. There are some who are well-informed and balanced, while others simply lack knowledge about Islam, but a powerful few do push their own prejudices and agendas. Then they tell you “I feel sorry for you, you have bought into their bullshiid democracy, they just want to waste your time and you are playing into their hands” So they end up feeling sorry for you and you stand their red face because you want to scream open your eyes! :mad: Errg sometimes you are simply speaking different languages. P.s. My Xaafad kicks a*ss at voting now, they are well trained! We went door to door and told them where to put the "X" they even voted at the mayor election. I am proud of them for now.

^^^Politics section is only for Somali politics, everything else is ok. So why did you want to bury this thread in the Somali politics section?? Dawkins is just an opportunist, he is just trying to push his theory at the expense of an easy target. The BNB just have not read his attack on evangelist. They’ll be in for a shock.

^^^I don't like FOSIS, the ISOC and co. They have become “feel good” organisations, finding a husbad/wife.com and what colour hijab should sisters wear, how long should a miswak etc. When they do something it is the classic burning flags, riots, and protest, then go home thinking they have achieved something because they angrily shouted outside number 10, thinking yeah we showed them! WHAT did you show?? Other than prove their point that we are a bunch of angry people? They fail to understand the value of lobbying and politics which dictates what happens to us, all they know is how to start a fire- a common method of protesting and showing your angry but which does not make any change. Very resistant to democratic ways of implementing change which take time. I understand they are passionate, but angry should not distract you and make you play into the hands of those who want to see you make a spectacle of yourself. There are a number of ways that Muslims can help defend themselves in the media or in politics. But before we can do anything we need to know who and what we are fighting. Otherwise you are spitting against the wind. As for the like minded Muslims, I agree that are many annoyed young Muslims, however each one thinks that it is them against the world judging by what they write in their websites & blogs. Again they fail to understand that are TEAMS working against us full time posting to news sites, blogs and other websites - all to 'create an illusion of opinion'. We cannot win as individuals and we need to pool our efforts together. Carry on sparking Sayid, mind the rain though.

^^^Why the politics section, has nothing to do with clan or gun fight! BtW JB, Is he the same guy who wrote the blind watch makers? I have to check my book shelf when I get home. I’m yet to finish one of his books.

HHAHAHA NGonge, don't leave the house! In fact the week off from work and hide. We want you to be safe!

^^What question?? Are you seeing things again?

^^So are you going to post the story Ngonge iyo SOL?? If you get banned just come back as tolka, we'll know it is you. Marx will make a return soon as Marcus iyo Tolkis

A&T that is because we don't know each other. :confused: There is nothing to deny. Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: quote: moving them from public positions is much easier than trying to take on the media/ tabloids and all these centres with their bogus research. Agree, it is easier and do able today, (scrabs on stick it note and puts it in the IN tray of to do things) the Muslims do not have the resources to fund and carry out such research. It is time consuming, requires lots of work, effort and time and institution, we are not very dedicated as Muslims, and under resourced.. I don’t think the damage that the media and bogus research has done to Islam and Muslims in general is reversible Disagree Ibti- You seem to have very good ideas and also you see to be dedicated realist but you are also let down by your pessimism . Have bit more optimism sister. Nothing is Impossible I agree nothing is impossible, yes that is true, in fact everything seems impossible at first or at least till you try. However I'm not a pessimist, I just know because I've been working in the Muslim community for the last five years with little improvement. So apathy baa igu sosocad just for this week. Nevertheless, these changes whether it is getting rid of people in public offices or funding research or challenging the media require long term and sustained efforts and we are probably not going to see the fruits of these actions for 30yrs or so. Islamphobias are rooted deeply within the institutions here in the UK, addressing all of them requires strong institutions and dedicated Muslim community. Sadly the Muslim community are two busy chasing paper and sometimes unknowingly contribute and do the work for Islamphobias. Just trying to convince one Muslim is draining enough, just check out my battles in SOL with the likes of NGonge. You cannot convince people the need to do something, if they think there is no threat. Passive Muslims help maintain the status quo and you will just run yourself to the ground trying to fight them (the Muslims you are trying to help), the islamphobias, the Zionist and media. I’m tried just thinking of it.