:cool: Taleexi as usual, like a wraparound baad waada- yad yad yad ya it is none of your business yad yad yad ya, Puntiland is my brother yad yad ya baad stuck ku tahey. :cool: Really waxaad raabtan just cheerleaders and empty jiibs, so reer SSC ha isu jiibs in peace and we shall observe and see where it gets your cause. Ninki diman waya wuu jooga. Enjoy people.

^The Zack are you trying to kill her!!! :eek: that was lucky escape. Men always want something, there is no such thing as a free meal or a free ride or anything free for that matter- dont accept it unless you intend to give them something in return. A best you would end up getting yourself a reputation, at worse you could get hurt. Oh Salamalikum people.

^^Well done and I hope your get it! Tawakal calcalah and iska seexo Hey juxa

Looool@ hayee hayee- thats nuts, you probably agreed to marry an old man for 50 goats!! CL yeah I know, found using the bushes easier than that squatting hole they have in some of the villages. I stayed in the miyi for 1month. Malika :D it is not so bad, aside from all the shouting and jikaar, and endless discussions about every small tiny little thing!!!!!

Loool @ CL, truth be told I don't really go to the hip and happening places [once in a blue moon], its normally full of foreigners and the rich locals. In any case I was in the miyi chasing goats when you was in town. How did you find it? Learn new somali

SalamAlikum people. Howdy CL, did I hear you was in the motherland not so long ago- well my motherland that is

Valenteenah.;726575 wrote: The issue with Puntland is internal and localised to the current administration. I'm not sure why it's being equated with Somaliland in this regard. The only issue SSC has with the PL admin is their lack of decisive action on LA. This lack of interest and action is what woke up the community and created the current SSC movement. Any analyst worth his or her salt would have been able to predict what would happen when the dual actions of SL (invading a region that doesn't have any interest in seceding ) and PL (stepping back even though they're the political representation for the region) were put together:- i.e. a new political and military group would pop up. This is after all Somalia and no region would ever settle for or accept expansion from another region, clan or political entity. This I agree with, in so far as the response of SSC [both nomads here and the leaders] is concerned the outburst and out cry is a bit late[PL has not cared about SSC for a while and reaction it is an exaggeration i.e. they are not killing you] In terms of leadership and divisions - so much is being made about the SSC when it comes to these two things. SSC leadership, I would think, wouldn't be that different from other leaders in Somalia today. Somaliland, Puntland and TFG leaders are hardly trailblazers themselves. Corrupt, ineffectual and lacking anything resembling charisma - that's our general leadership today. And yet no one is pointing the finger at any of you and expecting you to do something tangible about Silaanyo and his cabinet's greed or Faroole and his multitude of mistakes. So why should the likes of Taleex be expected to give a dressing down to traditional or, for that matter, self-appointed 'leaders' in SSC? It's a bit silly, isn't it? Val I am not relying on Silaanyo to win me a war of survival right now, [i'm not really aware of the said cabinet greed in any case], he is not leading a resistant group and I already gave the example of IF he turned around now and decided to join PL or even Somalia, his own sub sub sub clan will burn him alive forget the rest of the community, you will not find a single sole making an excuse for him, let alone defending him on a forum. It would be the ultimate betrayal right? People in tall buildings and their daily life not threaten, in safety will not push/ shake the balance for a few [or many] mistakes Faroolo made or Silaanyo because their daily life and bread is secured. How you can then compare this to a group of people saying: "we are occupied, treated like slaves, ethnic cleansing etc but I will leave my survival up to others who I know are little corrupt, maybe a little bad, maybe bad management to change my situation, after all everyone else is backing their own corrupt set of leaders. WHAT? Now, I don't believe many, if any, SSC supporters on SOL would agree with or support Xaglatoosiye or the khusuusi if they failed to do their job. I certainly wouldn't. They deserve constructive criticism as leaders - something we don't often see in regional politics. As for the garaads, well they deserve our respect and reverence but, as far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't have a place in politics unless they get elected for a particular position. It's this confusion between the traditional and the chosen leaders that SL has been exploiting but I don't think they will be able to keep it up. Next are those other 'leaders' that keep popping up - you know, the injineers, the doctores, the gaashaanles and the siyaasiyiin who invariably speak for the whole community by virtue of clan - well I can't make head nor tail of those. No idea what can be done about them except to let them seek nurture from wherever suits them. Lastly Xaabsade, the ace-card of every SSC critic, koley waxay ilatahay inuu odaygaasi heli doono wuxuu soo shaqaystay. Amen to that, the ultimate question is who has the ultimate powers? The elders or the politicians. While this confusion exists in other somali groups, there is a hierarchy for all issues where one overrules the other. Of course this structure is only possible in a semi formal system, so not sure if it can benefit SSC. SSC is finally awake, wey tashatay, weyna ogtahay the obstacles hor yaala. For those of us out here and back at home who have a stake in the future of this region, this much is clear: - What we do know: Is that Xaglatoosiye and the Khusuusi were chosen as leaders of the SSC by consensus. - What we can do: Is wait and see if they do a good job and hold them accountable and replace them if they don't. Time is a teller of every tale, maybe it is still that time period where they are awake but still sleepy. - What we can't do: is be responsible or accountable for any random man or woman who wants an income from whatever source they can larch onto. Even if SSC has previously used the same random people as their leaders and parade them around as their spokes people? I am specifically referring to the guys in SL NOW who 2 months ago were leading a fraction of the SSC army and were on every radio and newspaper, tomorrow when they decide they are with the SSC cause AGAIN [and they will] how can SSC again give them positions and parade them around as their new [insert position] yet say we are not accountable for these people? Hey Ibti, how goes? I see what you're trying to say but you need not be so concerned with the SSC campaign - after all it only begun less than two years ago and they've already dealt several embarrassing blows to SL, even in their 'confused' state. SSC cannot have it both ways my dear [i.e. we want attention for what is going on therefore we will fabricate stories, claim genocide, attack business people, but yet when we [none SSC] comment the sheeko is you are the wrong clan so don't be so concerned with SSC]. Does SSC live in a vacuum, where ONLY "they" as the supposed current victim can bunch people together as guilty by clan association and iska daladace landing on different, unsuspecting, uninvolved sub clans simply by them being a default *isa*aq. After all is this not one of the major complaints and claims against the SNM movement, must every new jabhad make the same mistakes? So, yes it is in my interest for SSC to focus their campaigns and conduct it without isku so dac on our part. Secondly SSC is not a 2year campaign, it has resurfaced on and off for the 20years SL has been active, that is a long time. And like any somali politics SSC has been recycling the same old shirts who have been speaking in different tongues and blowing with the wind. It looks like it is not going away and the cycle will continue, so we shall all wait and see together [if we live long enough] where this lands. That is still not to say that a short well planned campaign would've been better for us all. Imagine if they were actually more organised, unified and better funded? Cidiba islama hadli lahayn soo maaha? Indeed imagine, of course we can all dream, since we are dreaming; Imagine if Somalia started functioning, raised an army in the south and started a big push in conjunction with the new jabhad of the North (SSC)- it would be history repeating itself- only this time it would be to build a nation rather than getting rid of a dictator. :cool: Khadar; Indeed never mind Ibti, what is Khadar promoting? is it not clan survival?? is SSC based on something other than clan? I did not think so; :cool: In general, the Somali saying beentaad hoor runtaad dambi aye wax yeesha.

Archdemos thank you :) Fab stuff!

:D :D last 'man' standing baa ka dacdey! SalamAlikum people.

Che -Guevara;726398 wrote: Ibti-whoever is conducting ssc campaign is not that different. Every group in Somalia is caught in the same endless cycle, only difference is some think they are doing better than others-if anything defines us as Somalis, it's the word stagnation. In our virtual world, SOL is testament to that. That is very true! I generally feel the same about all of them[somalis]. Endless cycles and catch 22's.

Che You know I don't bother usual, a part of me wants to support and join the campaign for their legitimate concerns [there are a few] because life is precious even if one is lost, laakin they circulate around bulshid malayacin and put all the eggs in one basket carried by incompetent diaspora based men and they refuse to hold their own traitors to account. Even worse when this is pointed out, they go psycho and run off to post another song. I hate badly conducted campaigns. :cool:

LOOOl @ Kenyans Jetlagged!!! Well done Mo, I'm so proud Arch- load it on youtube if you can. BBC iplayer does not work here

Why is this even news? :confused: Title is an oxymoron though- feminist with a married man- I think NOT! May allah guide her and the child.

Looks like this kids needs to expire ASAP.

Taleexi:- 1. Act like a civilized human- whats with all name calling and attacks- it doesn't help you or your people 2. You seem to think SSC battle is won on SOL- good luck with that but reality is what it is 3. You continue to defend your corrupt leaders, mismanagement of your small resources AND hijacking your own cause by continuously picking the wrong people to represent you and blaming everyone else while you sing and dance in the west. 5. Then you and your cheerleaders tell us you will WIN in this state and fight on both sides. Good luck- Lets hope that you are not here next yr, the one after and the foreseeable future still playing the blame game and blinded from your people selling their souls. As for Somali history, not that it can tell us anything about now- i.e. your men are probably lesser quality, less brave, less intelligent and less everything else [before you break your screen this goes for every clan] what it also attests is SSC leaders tendency to switch sides or manipulate both sides more than anything else. But of course you probably only read the bits about how great you are, the big, the brave, the strong, the son of there and here. :cool: I'm done- so good luck blinding yourself and expecting others to overlooking your divisions, indecisiveness, the lies, melodramatic posters and loud voices to your legitimate concerns buried behind all this Façade. Bottom line is when push comes to shove, people wont leave their comfort zone to defend [even verbally] people who are in that state, because no one wants to make a fool out of themselves when you change your mind tomorrow and decide PL is your brother, or maybe SL is paying better or maybe you need 3 sub SSC groups.

SL is only part of the problem because they have opportunity, support and leverage from the said community. It is not rocket science that they exploit this because their own agenda is aligned with this;- they would be ****** not to;- the justification is; well some object, some dont, we chose to listen to and support those who are aligned with us. Pretty straight forward really. :cool: So what about Puntiland>? wrong move?

Blame is a waste of time;- my policy is;- what do I need to do for me & when do I need to do;- this concept applies to interest groups too. If by your qabil you mean SL, then you can read my criticism of their heavy handedness and entertaining idoi*tic SSC leaders in other threads. Anyway seems you wanna act like a blind bat and continue the blame game, ha ku macanato, waad hosasinseya the SSC, till their struggle loses its human face. P.s. I resent the whole "for ONCE", but I shall let it go, for I'm sure for more than several reasons you closely identify with this matter. P.s.s. Re your last EDIT: it is not about RIGHT, it is about POLITICS, influences and interests, considering ONLF position you should know that. No one is going to help you unless you help yourself.

There is no such thing as Dhulkooda, because there is no such thing as dhulkeyka. I already explained how people live those parts and I already explained that this is not primary school, I also told you that SL is not doing charity or helping them- they want to help their own policy and agenda. This is politics, wax fahaan, and their division is keeping them down, no one else. We already have blessed elders who at every turn looked out for the interest of the people who live here, it is a win win situation for them currently- and there was no need for them to isolate themselves within their own people. The grass is greener on this side. :D

Kinda pointless admission Zack;- of course every clan is made up of individuals with different thoughts yad yad ya. But it is how much power these individuals that speak for you have in your area. In my home town[read sub clan], they were not really pro-SL for a long time, but out of respect for the bigger clan we [our elders] decided to sit it out [i.e. we did not have any political representations for my clan and see what happens in the next 10years. That was 15years ago, in the last 5years [the elders] decided it is in our interest to become active participants, so we put forward some representation. SSC wey nagu shibra waqleeyin;- They won't acknowledge it is their differences that is letting them down;- and for the most part it wouldn't bother me, but they make it a policy to always run around blaming everyone BUT themselves. They won't agree to be ruled, they wont agree on self rule, they wont agree to join SL or PL, nor do they have the power to enforce on each other the consensus. [Which by extension means they cannot enforce anything externally] The London protest had cards saying SSC is the only place where modern slavery still exist! how can the same people come with a begging bowel few months later? uuuuf

Nice;-

The Zack;726134 wrote: Ibti, It is not as simple as you put it. The major division of the SSC clans is there for a reason. I am sure every clan would face that challenge if they were on these people's shoes. Geographically, they are located in the north but their fellow clanmates are on the other side. They are culturally and socially affiliated with your folks but politically, they are with the rest of somalis. It is just hard to mobilize that kind of society. Having said, majority of these people are on the same side, it is just not easy to put that in action. The Zack- life is never simple, laakin I disagree with you; the divisions are not the problem as such [they become a problem by extension] the problem is indecisiveness and lack of credible leadership. - As for indecisiveness:- it is what makes the London SSC leaders organize a demo against SL in protest in December and January, and then the same people in May demanding better allocation of resources and more seats for SSC in SL. WHAT? Who even does that? - Any credible leader would know if your goal was to leave SL on clan basis, then pis*sing off the PL people is not a smartest idea. Even if the government was bad and not sympathetic to their “struggle” they could’ve bypassed them and appeal directly to the mass [i.e. the clan they want] which I am sure would be receptive. Even worse the campaigners and supporters who follow them don’t correct them, wey iska daab socodan. I agree every clan has divisions and problems, but there needs to be hierarchy and kala dambeyin [who is the boss?]. And if a decision is reached it has to be for the long term and followed by all. Otherwise you are wasting your time and resources. Imagine if SL changed its mind every year about whether they want secession or not, imagine if changed their mind about SSC every few years flipping between wanting them and leaving them? Would anyone then say SL is serious about its intentions? Of course not and the place would’ve been unstable, each clan and subclan trying to find its own interest elsewhere. Every time you point a finger, there are several fingers pointing back at you;- SSC needs to get their shid together, no one is going to help them for charity or for clan[PL has made it clear enough] and all the pointing, signing, parties and noise has got them no where. There is always excuses, they either need to mobilize as a society and put this into action or let it go, but doing it halfheartedly is costing pointless struggle.

Taleex:- First, I don't read Somali, so aside from you quoting me and the last two lines in English;- I don't know what point if any you tired to make, however for your last sentiment:- i.e. why can't SL leave us alone, why can't Puntiland leave us alone etc yad yad ya. SSC does not live in a vacuum or alone, it has to, even MUST get on with ONE if not BOTH of the entities or be strong enough to stand on its own- i.e. forceful respect like PL & SL relationship is progressing to now. Particularly if all the pro unity blabber is correct, otherwise it is just falseness as usual and the fake token. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded western with ideals that don't fly in the real world. Both entities will use these divisions to their advantage, after all they will look after their own interest and they are not your guards or guardian angel so they will do what is best for them. Y'll just need to stop blowing hot air online and control your people, control your leaders, control yourself. Rolling up into a ball and saying why can't everyone leave me alone while your people splitter into few more groups does not work. :cool: You want SL to leave you alone:- - Control your own foot soldiers- currently controlled by SL - Control your chiefs and garaads who flip flop on your interest on daily basis - Stop this nonsense of a new song each week and endless parties- do something actually useful- empty rhetoric will not make SL leave and songs are entertaining but largely ineffective- particularly as SSC inspired songs are always in Somali- and most Somalis already know the situation and don't care ENOUGH to do something about it now- or have other priorities. - Decide who to get rid of SL or PL and focus on it, you can't fight on two fronts. - Stop wasting your time vomiting and fighting on Somali forums. - Hire some smart educated people to help you, possible a none Somali or none SSC clan who can look beyond the blubber and emotional clan charged vomits to legitimate concerns AND can reflect them probably to others. No point doing the rest if you can't control your leaders or the foot soldiers. Of course you will ignore all this and just point and say she is that clan and yad yad ya everyone is out to get us, yad yad ya, new song yad yad ya, fundraiser yad yad ya, somali flags and Somali press release, leave us alone, we are clan X blah blah blah. :cool:

Polanyi;725602 wrote: ^^ Your opinion is badil because you are biased.he he. I agree with you though; " SSC" betrayed themselves, not once, not twice, but a thousand times. Polanyi, everyone is biased by default, but bias and badil are not the same thing. Being badil would've been me saying, PL is telling the truth and this legitimize SL campaign. Pluz you agreed with me. AfricaOwn, somethings such as this dispute CANNOT be solved in the long term by military- it requires people working together one way or another.

Like what? ma problem child baad nooqtey?

JB it is weekend for you nooh? Very very tired- I should just sleep.