^^^Well said. CL I hate liars, It is impossible to have a relationship with someone who tell lies. It leads to the fundamental issue of trust, you can never trust someone who lies. AAliya, as long as you know it is your human short coming and you need to work on it, rather than trying to justify or portray as the RIGHT thing. Don't worry I was the same.

And, it clearly says in the quran...good men are for good women... Out of context, a repenter is a good man, could even be better than you because they are humble, regretful and trying to make up for their mistakes, while you (not you personally but someone who stayed away from major sins) might think you they don’t need to pray so hard, because after all, they’ve done nothing major. As for how do I know they changed, this is contradicted by your last statement, you can never know anything for sure, it is your trust in ALLAH, faith and trust in the value of what you partner says and their fear of Allah (not you), rather than ultimate proof of what is in their hearts, which you can never have.

well if as you said the brother use to sleep around but changed and asked for tawbah. Shouldn't he be more understanding to his wife who happens to be on the same boat as him?? really think about it??..a man who changed and asked for tawbah wouldn’t divorce his wife simply because she wasnt v**? .. AALiyah the issue is not that she is not a Virgin, the issue is she LIED about it!! As for your statement, Subxanllah, if you think you deserve forgiveness in all your crimes (whatever they might be) then how can you not forgive something Allah SWT has forgiven someone for. Who knows you might be better off with the same brother you look down upon for thir past mistakes, while you end up with one who has a so called good history, but because of your attitude they go bad AFTER you marry them. IT takes a lot for someone to recognise their mistakes and repent and stay away from that crime.

qofkasta wuxu shaqeesto ayuu helaya. He had no right to look for a good sister. more or less they deserved each other... I think we are all assuming the guy is still a bad guy. If she married him and he was still running around then Aaliyah statement above applys. HOWEVER AAliyah Allah can forgive anyone, and tawbah is open to everyone. If Allah can forgive them, then you have no right to hold it against them, so careful dear sister, you might end up with a good repenting brother with a rap sheet longer than my thesis. THEN WHAT

^^^Please don't ask him Cara. That is a logical solution, but at the time he was not ready dee *waves @cara

Focus people, the issue is the LIE, the virginity is an extension of the immediate problem, and neither here nor there. When I saw this post, my feminist side came out gun blasing too!. So, the issue is would you divorce your wife is she lied. Islamicly he is entitled to divorce her for lying.

^^I was referring to the link you made between backache and circumcision and marriage.

P.s. Why did it take a whole month?? You would think he would notice first time. ~Me thinks he was just looking for an excues. Make sure she demands her right. P.s.s. Lie, is lie, someone can be divorced for lying regardless. DID he ask her before hand? Ultimately it comes down to trust, without it they cannot build a marriage. P.s.s.s. IF she swear to God and he still doubts her, then Allah is the best of judges and if she is telling the truth then she is better off without him and Allah will look after her.

^^^The discussions are smaller and closer to home my dear. They are not THAT ambitions (well only HT is )

^^If you have not watched it, then you don't know the discussion dee :rolleyes: therefore you are barking up the wrong tree, it is nothing to do with Brown/ Cameroon.

This discussion has been on going for a while, this show is with Dr Abdul Bari,(MCB) Asghar Bukhari(MPACUK) and other guests. Hosted by Tariq Ramadan on Muslim leadership, mosque reform and the way forward. Watch the debate http://217.218.67.244/presstv/program/Islam&life/1 114_ISLAM & LIFE.wmv If the above link won't work for you, you can also watch it here What do you think?

^^^HE knows I am automatically disqualified from any such list. Angia iyo odeygagah, and Ngonge on hand to help, he is asking for trouble if he even thinks about it. :cool:

^^No, me and Aw Dubab once supported the same party, so I deem him closer than your clan Farancab is trying to comply a list of Slim Xalimos on SOl so he can start his terrorising PM program. You might also want to find out who is married and who is not,

dhaar baad ka keentay LOL HAHAH ok baas haadaba

^^^I compared their treatment merited out to both, but their principle and foundation are different.

^^Why are you helping him??? are you from his clan?

^^Now why would I read the sun :confused: Well all I know is while they are splashed on the front pages, it gives Muslims a little time to breath. My principles are fairness. They should be vilified like the Muslims are, and we should be seeing daily reports about their crime and hate. Abwaan LOOL I remember that story. There was the other one, it was on dispatches, there was a Pakistan dude who was a memember for a long time, and the party split because he was given a position within the party and then they realised in the background check that this guy is NOT white, despite his appearances.!

^^^OH no you did not! Now you are talking about my clan. :mad:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL HAHAHAHA LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I need to do this ! LOL HAHA

^^It is the same girls who become women with their beauty. Possible waad iska caawiridaan and then mess with their figure by turning them into baby machines, and then you complain!!. Uuuf caleek. :cool: You said cease fire, and then you left a little underhanded punch, just like in your above post. :rolleyes:

^^^LOOOL Khalid and Farancab waaxa tihin isqoor bila qalin/ liis Fat Xalimos ku maa raaban with your bony selfs, We are tired of people asking us, do your men have TB or are they sick, walking bones.

^^^I think there are certain jobs, which should require to you to disclose if you belong to any extreme groups. I am a model citizen, I speaking for the community as whole, we are under a magnify glass. I don't belong to any group, extreme or not. Angia aya group aah Although I would not campaign to have them freely publish the date, I am certainly not objecting to this mistake they made. But I’ve been thinking, maybe it is not a mistake after all, maybe it is a publicity stunt to show that people who are members of BNP are average Joe, and hence it is Okay to belong to them.

^^My point dee, They should be treated Like I am, followed, bullied, recorded, quizzed and criminalised! Either that, or I must be given the same rights, we are after all just at the different ends of extremism. In any case I think with the exception of Bin Ladens crew, the rest of Muslims are not as extreme, nor can we be compared or put on the same comparison scale.

I got 287yards :eek: And 28 within 2miles

^^^It is a personal choice, most skinny farahs have no problems with a fat Xalimo, I guess they are tired of their bony self