JB, You reminded me of one of my favourit Somali songs, no idea who sings it (it is a women) don't know the lyrics, I just know she repeats several times, Wadnahaa dhugdhug leeh CL Why are you doing it? For charity?

Salam people

His lawyers described him as a two-bit driver who hung out with the wrong people. The US government maintained he was a dangerous terrorist who should be sentenced to life in jail. Regardless of how important a role he may have played as Osama Bin Laden's driver, 40-year-old Yemeni national Salim Hamdan, became a central figure in the saga of trials at the controversial detention centre in Guantanamo Bay. He frustrated the Bush administration by challenging the system of military commissions originally set up in Guantanamo, by taking his case to the Supreme Court in 2006, in Hamdan vs Rumsfeld. He was the first person convicted in a contested trial at the small, windowless courtroom on a hilltop at the US naval base in Guantanamo. But the verdict and relatively short sentence he was given were seen as a blow to the White House. Now, his transfer to Yemen, where he is to serve the remaining month of his sentence, could portend a way forward for the release of the other 100 Yemenis still being held - the largest national group and one of the biggest headaches for the US administration. But crucially, his departure from Guantanamo signals the beginning of the end for the detention facility. "It's all unravelling," said Navy Lt Cmdr, Brian Mizer, Hamdan's defense attorney. Just last month, the US administration had sought to get Hamdan re-sentenced because officials felt that the judge, Navy Cpt Keith Allred, had erred by crediting him for time already served President-elect Barack Obama has said he will close down the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. But even before he moves into the White House, a feeling of uncertainty hangs over Gitmo, as it is also known, with a top judge retiring, a prosecutor quitting and everybody awaiting the details of Obama's plan to deal with the thicket of problems that closing Guantanamo will raise - legal, logistical, diplomatic, political and security-related. For Hamdan, the end of his Guantanamo journey has already come. The father of two was caught at a road block in Afghanistan in 2001, soon after the attacks of 11 September, as US forces bombed suspected Taleban al-Qaeda targets in Afghanistan. He was charged with conspiracy and providing material support for terrorism. But in August, a jury of six military officers dismissed the more serious charge of conspiracy and found guilty only of the lesser charge of material support. In a stunning blow to the Bush administration, it only gave him a five-and-a-half year sentence, crediting him with the five he had already served. The prosecution at the time claimed the sentence showed the system of the military commissions were fair but Hamdan's lawyers, and civil rights groups, while pleased with the sentence maintained that the whole system was flawed. The Pentagon then announced that the US military had the right to continue holding Hamdan indefinitely as an unlawful enemy combatant if he was deemed to continue posing a threat. Just last month, the US administration had sought to get Hamdan re-sentenced because officials felt that the judge, Navy Cpt Keith Allred, had erred by crediting him for time already served. It is unclear what brought the reversal, but the decision to transfer Hamdan to Yemen was reportedly taken by the White House. "That only confirms what we said in Hamdan's case about these being political commissions driven by politicians and political appointees for political gain rather than experienced prosecutors and the pursuit of justice," said Mizer. "The decision to continue holding him was so patently illegal that even hard liners in the government knew they had to repatriate him." A spokesperson for the Yemeni Embassy, Mohammed el Basha said it was "a good-faith gesture by the White House". The decision to send Hamdan to Yemen took many by surprise, including his lawyers He said he hoped the release was the first of many to come and that negotiations were continuing. The group of Yemenis is described by experts as a combination of accidental warriors and unrepentant combatants though in most cases, it is unlikely there is enough evidence to put them on trial. But the US is concerned about Yemen's ability to monitor and rehabilitate them. Three of the seven men involved in an attack against the US embassy in Yemen in September were graduates of the Yemeni rehabilitation programme. A former Guantanamo inmate from Kuwait was involved in a suicide attack against US troops in Iraq earlier this year, adding to general concerns about the ability of countries to monitor the repatriated former detainees. "We have proved that we are part of the war against terror because the violence is directed at us as well," said el Basha. "So we understand the request for assurances." The decision to send Hamdan to Yemen took many by surprise, including his lawyers, who received a call on a Saturday to alert them to the imminent transfer, which eventually took place Tuesday. "We were able to call him on Sunday and had an emotional, one-hour call," said Mizer. "He was guardedly optimistic and didn't want to believe it. He also apologised for his demeanour." Mizer who worked on the case from the start developed a close relationship with his client, as his only access to the outside world. The US has to decide how to deal with future suspects captured in the war on terror But he also described a difficult relationship at a times with a man who tried to make up for his powerless situation by exercising some authority over his defence attorneys. Mizer also visited Hamdan's family in Yemen to collect testimony from his wife. The Washington Post commented that the Bush administration had acted fairly and responsibly by taking the decision to transfer Hamdan. It also remarked that this "spares incoming president Barack Obama the burden of deciding at the very outset of his administration whether, when and where to release Mr Hamdan". It is indeed one decision less to take in relation to Guantanamo Bay, but with more than 200 detainees remaining, including high-profiles like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 9/11 plotter, the road to closing Guantanamo will be long and complicated. Nearly 800 men were brought to Guantanamo over the years, since it opened in 2002. The majority have been released or transferred to their home countries because there is not enough evidence to put them on trial for war crimes. Charles Stimson, a former deputy assistant secretary of defence for detainee affairs, also said that by transferring Hamdan before the end of his sentence, the Bush administration had avoided dealing with the thorny question of the continued detention of unlawful enemy combatants. With the US still involved in two wars in Iraq, and in Afghanistan, and facing the possible threat of further attacks, the Obama administration will still have to decide how to handle any future capture of suspects linked to al-Qaeda and potential security threats.

Darrel Vandeveld tells the BBC why he quit as a Guantanamo Bay prosecutor The tribunals used for putting suspects on trial at Guantanamo Bay are a "stain on America's military", a former military prosecutor has told the BBC in his first interview since resigning. For Lt Col Darrel Vandeveld, a devout Catholic, the twin responsibilities of religious faith and military duty led to a profound moral crisis. His resignation has led to charges against six inmates being dropped, at least for now, and called into question the possibility of a fair legal process at Guantanamo. "I know so many fighting men and women who are stained by the taint of Guantanamo, so I'm here to tell the truth about Guantanamo and how a few people have sullied the American military and the constitution," he told me during an interview in his home town of Erie, Pennsylvania. It took me too long to recognise that we had abandoned our American values and defiled our constitution A reservist, Darrel Vandeveld was called up as a military lawyer after 9/11 and served in Iraq, Bosnia and Africa. In 2007, he became a prosecutor for the military commissions which tried terrorist suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, a role he took enthusiastically. "I went down there on a mission and my mission was to convict as many of these detainees as possible and put them in prison for as long as I possibly could," he told the BBC. "I had zero doubts. I was a true believer." But his zeal did not last long. When he arrived, he says he found the prosecutor's office in chaos, with boxes scattered around the floor, files disorganised, evidence scattered in different places and no clear chain of command. And more seriously, he soon discovered that defence lawyers were not receiving information which could help clear their clients, including evidence that suspects had been "mistreated" in order to secure confessions. It was one case in particular, that of a young Afghan called Mohammed Jawad, which caused most concern. Mr Jawad was accused of throwing a grenade at a US military vehicle. Col Vandeveld says that in a locker he found indisputable evidence that Mr Jawad had been mistreated. After Mr Jawad had tried to commit suicide by banging his head against a wall at Guantanamo, Col Vandeveld says that psychologists who assisted interrogators advised taking advantage of Mr Jawad's vulnerability by subjecting him to specialist interrogation techniques known as "fear up". He was also placed, Col Vandeveld says, into what was known as the "frequent flyer" programme in which he was moved from cell to cell every few hours, with the aim of preventing him sleeping properly, and securing a confession. A devout Catholic, Col Vandeveld found himself deeply troubled by what he discovered. But the classified nature of his work meant he was unable to share his growing doubts with friends and family. A Jesuit priest tells how Darrel Vandeveld contacted him for advice before quitting As a result, he took the unusual step of emailing a Jesuit priest called Father John Dear, who is a well known peace activist. In his email, Col Vandeveld talked of having "grave misgivings". Father Dear was initially unsure if the email was serious and fashioned a quick reply. "I sort of didn't believe it. But on the off chance he was a military prosecutor I wrote back and said 'quit'." Col Vandeveld says his jaw dropped when he read the email, adding: "I lived in dread of that answer." But eventually he did resign and has chosen to speak out about what he saw, giving the BBC his first interview. "I never suffered such anguish in my life about anything," he says, looking back over the period. "It took me too long to recognise that we had abandoned our American values and defiled our constitution." Col Vandeveld was prosecuting six cases, including that of Binyam Mohamed, the last British resident held at Guantanamo. After his resignation, charges in these cases were dropped but with the possibility they may be re-filed at any point. Col Vandeveld declined to discuss details of Mr Mohamed's case and others which remain classified. But Binyam Mohamed's lawyers say he was tortured as part of the CIA's extraordinary rendition programme and are hopeful that he may not be charged again, on the grounds that this might reveal too many details of the rendition programme. Darrel Vandeveld explains why he has gone public Col Vandeveld was forced to undergo a mental status evaluation after expressing his concerns and his military career is over. But he has returned to his community in Erie where local newspapers have praised the stand he took. He has no regrets. In response to his claims, a Pentagon spokesman told the BBC: "We dispute Darrel Vandeveld's assertions and maintain the military commission process provides full and fair trials to accused unlawful enemy combatants who are charged with a variety of war crimes." President-elect Barack Obama has said he wants to shut Guantanamo but no-one thinks it will be easy. Col Vandeveld believes that it is possible though. "No justice will be obtained at Guantanamo," he said. "And if that entails moving them (the suspects) temporarily to the US for trial: so be it." Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7761315. stm

^^Sorry I assumed it was a rivate services, but upon reading the full thing, I'm even more happy as it is a Under the free service, introduced on Tuesday, casualties with serious and life-threatening conditions will receive top priority. The scheme was provided with the help of Irish-based charity Lifeline Africa Foundation.

I thought they were one and the same. Does Al Shabab fall under the other?? All these bloody groups. A lot sub groups now come under Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaacah, the ones in Somalia as the Salafis or the Tabliqis?

Lol, stoic, it is not North, and the meeting was not held anywhere near me I'm too radical for them happy hold hands gatherings in any case

MAshallah, that is fantastic. Oh mashallah that is great for those who can afford it.

LOOL I like the story it tells (a bit immoral) Good start

^^My dear it seems like you have angry management problems. I don't have the patience to go search for your views haad. The concret examples are well documented on this forum and elsewhere. :cool: AAliyah you have till sunday I'A.

I'm happy as larry to have some tea.... thanks

^^I am more than c00l, just sitting here breaking my fast. Protocol; Lol Oh my god, maal if you don't mention Somaliland waad diimanasa?? :confused: I could not care less what you thin of SL. I am more bothered by your sexist views and comments :rolleyes:

^^^When you have your other dirac Protocol on.

^^^LOOOL I doubt it was a women anyway, have you seen his views on women, he thinks they are talking walking domestic doll like creatures on this earth to please and clean after men.

Oh shiid, yeah thats fine I'll meet you at 7. I have to go to my endz first. I will call you.

Ameen, I know one of those fives* you got there is mine. Now stop fishing for compliments. You know your my favorite young brother

^^Lots of hard work. Ms DD I thought it was wed, not 2night.

Resistance: A women sent you flowers for 14days then proposed :eek: Maskeen is she okay?? Lord have mercy. Hey MS DD & CL*

^^a guy sent you flowers for 14days and then proposed?? Did you beat him silly??

^^^Why would I panic, I will open a shop out front and start selling them It will just be creepy, but it doesn't bother me, I'd just be sad that they are wasting their money on something I am allergic to.

^^^Well unless you told your brother where I work ooops I forgot, he is gone off me I swear I don't know. I'm waiting for the call, to say did you recieve yad ya..

^^Who, I don't know anyone I want to stalk. I already offered them to few of my co-works, now they think I'm evil and keep breaching to me. JB LOOOOOOOOL smart blond! HAha lol

JB what is the red house? I would've listen to him/ her but there is no name! Ngonge; Charity for the flowers?? :confused: It say they have a life line of mini 7days. I already got a D&G bag, but I think it is fake. I like perfume (not the nasty Arab ones, Oh please god no, not those) I'm not being stalked, someone is very grateful for something I did presumably

^^The beauty of freedom indeed. Speaking of such freedom, I just got another huge flowers, even bigger than yesterday, with the same bloody note. This person is having a laugh! :mad: Even worse, This one is from M&S. :mad:

^^hence why he would be driving everyone around