^^Of course I'm not the deen you...[shakes fist] and yes you can mock me as you often do, now stop being so cynical old man and open the link. It is a great talk. Val cool sis, where are you going? I'm trying to plan mine, but waiting for the pound, something tells me it is only going get worse.

Ngonge I was not advocating it for Somalia, I was erm erm thinking more in global context Malika my dear sis, an ideology can be perfectly good and logical, but impossible or unworkable. what brother Xiin advocates for depends on too many variables, which seem to be heading in different directions, until those variables come together, he is advocating for a mere theory which is unworkable. I like his idea, it is a good idea, but all ideas it is only as good as its proven track record.

^^Did you open the link at all ya Ngonge? Baal hoorte listen. I'm trying to help you, and don't mock it. The deen is not open for mockery.

North Inshallah if you are still around. Nuune that is a dangerous thing to follow. :cool:

For those of you outside of UK but within Europe. Contact your MEP Here http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/public/geoSe arch.do?language=EN

A human rights lawyer Daniel Machover has successfully lobbied the EU President to issue an apology and clarification after he described Israel's barbaric attacks as "defensive". He is ethical Jewish, a timely reminder that it is not JEWs that are waging the war, but an evil Zionist regime. For those of you in Europe who have not responded to previous Alerts. Please contact your MP and MEPs now! For example: Dear (Name of MP/ MEP), I am outraged at the current events in Gaza, where Palestinians are being killed in large numbers due to Israeli attacks. As my elected representative I urge you to take urgent action to oppose these attacks. I look forward to your response. Thank you, (your name) 1) Find your MP's details here or look them up at www.theyworkforyou.com 2) Here's the full details of how the EU President was forced back on his support for Israel: Below is the full email exchange of the successful challenge, by human rights lawyer Daniel Machover, to the EU original statement which resulted in the apology at: http://www.eu2009.cz/en/news-and-doc...-omluva--46 97/ on 4.1.2009 15:04 Mr Potuznik, Thank you very much for your two personal replies to me this morning, the first one including your explanation, but on both occasions making assurances as to the correction/retraction of your initial statement yesterday evening on the Israeli land invasion. I do find your explanation slightly baffling, but the assurances you provided are very welcome indeed. I do hope that the official statement you mention will make things crystal clear to all media, namely: you were wrong to characterise the Israeli land invasion of Gaza as ‘a defensive step’; and the Czech Government’s policy/response to Israeli actions is officially in line with the EU statement of 30 December. Due to the significance of your message to me I have distributed your first reply to me to members of LPHR and some NGO contacts, as I felt it was important to disseminate your response far and wide. I will do the same with your second reply and this message from me to you. Please be aware that I genuinely believe your original words appear to me to have caused damage to the EU’s image and gave comfort to the Israeli army at a critical moment when it needed (and still needs) one clear message = STOP NOW. Daniel Machover ......................... Dear Daniel, I have corrected my statement to all journalist I talked last night, correction is going to be placed on our official webside also; I do believe that misunderestanding with "defensive" will not undermine common EU position to Gaza situation and the mission of Mr. Schwarzenberg in region; let me againg appologize to You personally. Best whishes Jiri F. Potuznik ....................... Dear Daniel, I am deeply sorry for misunderestanding - Immediate and permanent ceasefire is clearly a goal for all EU countires. Our underestanding with the first information was that action of the Israli land forces in Gaza will as a part of defensive policy lead to the ceasefire (that is why I have used word "defensive" instead of "offensive" action and my personal hope is that it will make possible to stop airstrikes with a losts of civilian life). As You know Czech EU presidency is calling for the facilitation aid to the inhabitants of Gaza Strip also and minister of foreign affairs is going to help to reach this personally in next hours. Dear Daniel, thank You for underestanding and let me assure You I am doing my best to correct media outputs of my comment. Best whishes Jiri F. Potuznik

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Che, I think you misunderstood, I don't want to know, those are retorical questions. I'm trying to get people to factor something into their plans. If you had watched the talk you would not have misunderstood. I don't look to people to find out wHAt I need to do, I know where I am heading. The talk is suppose to redirect you to factoring in that which is really important.

So with a new year, another year gone, you are older, wiser (hopefully), more ahead than you was last year, better placed in life. So in the coming year, what are you working for this year, what are your priorities? What do you want to achieve? I don’t want your secrets, nor does it matter to me or others, but when you draw up your new plan, before the ink dries on it don’t forget to refine it, and before you do that check out this lecture Sheikh Bilal Assad about how we should prioritize things in our life to get the best in both this life and the hereafter. Here

^^^Which just means, I don't know anything, I just know it is not what we are doing, and we will achieve peace and justice, I just don't know how, but it is based on our own understanding of our problems. Notice I said Allah has given us a prescriptionto follow. Islam is not a blanket nor a buzz word. Its true application has been hijacked. I swear to Allah nothing else would work. You can try democracy, you can try fake Islam, you can try clan set, try what you like, ultimately it is going to end in failure. P.s. At least you've gone off your old tired Somalinimo horse, now if someone can kindly get Xiin off that dead horse as well, it is a right step in the right direction.

^^You are convinced that Somalinimo (which by your admission you do not know exactly what is)is what SOMALI PEOPLE WANT? People need knowledge and application of Islam to the T so they can be successful. Don't stress you pretty head dear, Allah already told you and gave you a prescription to follow. You don't need inn aad ka fakaridid or reinvent the wheel. Nationalism has no place in Islam, and concepts such as Somalinimo are just weapons to misguide and then abuse the masses.

Propaganda war: trusting what we see? Israel has tried to take the initiative in the propaganda war over Gaza but, in one important instance, its version has been seriously challenged. The incident raises the question of how to interpret video taken from the air. Israel released video of an air attack on 28 December, which appeared to show rockets being loaded onto a lorry. The truck and those close to it were then destroyed by a missile. This was clear evidence, the Israelis said, of how accurate their strikes were and how well justified. A special unit it has set up to coordinate its informational plan put the video onto YouTube as part of its effort to use modern means of communications to get Israel's case across. The YouTube video has a large caption on it saying "Grad missiles being loaded onto the Hamas vehicle." As of Saturday morning UK time, more than 260,000 people had watched it. It turned out, however, that a 55-year-old Gaza resident named Ahmed Sanur, or Samur, claimed that the truck was his and that he and members of his family and his workers were moving oxygen cylinders from his workshop. Ahmed Sanur is challenging Israel's claim that rockets were targeted This workshop had been damaged when a building next door was bombed by the Israelis and he was afraid of looters, he said. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem put Mr Sanur's account on its website, together with a photograph of burned out oxygen cylinders. Mr Sanur said that eight people, one of them his son, had been killed. He subsequently told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: "These were not Hamas, they were our children... They were not Grad missiles.". The Israeli response was that the "materiel" was being taken from a site that had stored weapons. The video remains on You Tube. But the incident shows how an apparently definitive piece of video can turn into something much more doubtful. B'Tselem said these cannisters were near the destroyed truck It is reminiscent of an event in the Nato war against Serbia over Kosovo in 1999. In that case, a video taken from the air seemed to show a military convoy which was then attacked. On the ground however it was discovered that the "trucks" were in fact tractors towing cartloads of civilian refugees, many of whom were killed. The Israeli propaganda effort is being directed to achieve two main aims. The first is to justify the air attacks. The second is to show that there is no humanitarian calamity in Gaza. Both these aims are intended to place Israel in a strong position internationally and to enable its diplomacy to act as an umbrella to fend off calls for a ceasefire while the military operation unfolds. Israel has pursued the first aim by being very active in getting its story across that Hamas is to blame. The sight of Hamas rockets streaking into Israel has been helpful in this respect. It has also allowed trucks in with food aid and has stressed that it will not let people starve, even if they go short. Israel appears to think its efforts are working. One of its spokespeople, who has regularly appeared on the international media, Major Avital Leibovich, said: "Quite a few outlets are very favourable to Israel." Ban on foreign media Israel has bolstered its approach by banning foreign correspondents from Gaza, despite a ruling from the Israeli Supreme Court. The Arab television news channel Al Jazeera is operating there and its reports have been graphic and have affected opinion across the Arab world. The BBC also has its local bureau hard at work. But the absence of reporters from major organisations has meant, for example, that Mr Samur's story has not been as widely told as it probably would have been, or his account subject to an on-the-spot examination. Meanwhile Israel has received good coverage of the threats and damage to its own towns and communities. Whether Israel retains any propaganda initiative is not all certain. Pictures of dead and wounded children have undermined its claim to pinpoint accuracy and the longer this goes on, the greater the potential for world public opinion to swing against it, with diplomatic pressure building for a cessation. Its presentational problems would be hugely increased if it engaged in a ground operation, which would bring with it more pictures of death and destruction. Update: several readers have e-mailed to ask whether I believe Hamas. One said I had "bought into" Hamas propaganda. Another that I should have dealt with Hamas' claims: "What's missing speaks volumes about your one-sidedness." I do not believe anyone's "propaganda." We seek to verify all claims, from whatever source. One of the main claims in Gaza at the moment is the serious situation for the population. Having reported from Gaza many times over the years, I know how crowded parts of it are and how dependent the people are on food aid from the UN. This means they have no other source of supply but equally, if the system is working, they should be getting enough to get by on. The problem is that foreign correspondents cannot get in to establish the exact situation for themselves. Paul.Reynolds-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

Isaac Newton is, as most will agree, the greatest physicist of all time. At the very least, he is the undisputed father of modern optics,­ or so we are told at school where our textbooks abound with his famous experiments with lenses and prisms, his study of the nature of light and its reflection, and the refraction and decomposition of light into the colours of the rainbow. Yet, the truth is rather greyer; and I feel it important to point out that, certainly in the field of optics, Newton himself stood on the shoulders of a giant who lived 700 years earlier. For, without doubt, another great physicist, who is worthy of ranking up alongside Newton, is a scientist born in AD 965 in what is now Iraq who went by the name of al-Hassan Ibn al-Haytham. Most people in the West will never have even heard of him. As a physicist myself, I am quite in awe of this man's contribution to my field, but I was fortunate enough to have recently been given the opportunity to dig a little into his life and work through my recent filming of a three-part BBC Four series on medieval Islamic scientists. Popular accounts of the history of science typically suggest that no major scientific advances took place in between the ancient Greeks and the European Renaissance. But just because Western Europe languished in the Dark Ages, does not mean there was stagnation elsewhere. Indeed, the period between the 9th and 13th Centuries marked the Golden Age of Arabic science. Great advances were made in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, physics, chemistry and philosophy. Among the many geniuses of that period Ibn al-Haytham stands taller than all the others. Ibn-al Haytham conducted early investigations into light. Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the father of the modern scientific method. As commonly defined, this is the approach to investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge, based on the gathering of data through observation and measurement, followed by the formulation and testing of hypotheses to explain the data. This is how we do science today and is why I put my trust in the advances that have been made in science. But it is often still claimed that the modern scientific method was not established until the early 17th Century by Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes. There is no doubt in my mind, however, that Ibn al-Haytham arrived there first. In fact, with his emphasis on experimental data and reproducibility of results, he is often referred to as the "world's first true scientist". He was the first scientist to give a correct account of how we see objects. It is incredible that we are only now uncovering the debt that today's physicists owe to an Arab who lived 1,000 years ago He proved experimentally, for instance, that the so-called emission theory (which stated that light from our eyes shines upon the objects we see), which was believed by great thinkers such as Plato, Euclid and Ptolemy, was wrong and established the modern idea that we see because light enters our eyes. What he also did that no other scientist had tried before was to use mathematics to describe and prove this process. So he can be regarded as the very first theoretical physicist, too. He is perhaps best known for his invention of the pinhole camera and should be credited with the discovery of the laws of refraction. He also carried out the first experiments on the dispersion of light into its constituent colours and studied shadows, rainbows and eclipses; and by observing the way sunlight diffracted through the atmosphere, he was able to work out a rather good estimate for the height of the atmosphere, which he found to be around 100km. In common with many modern scholars, Ibn-al Haytham badly needed the time and isolation to focus on writing his many treatises, including his great work on optics. An unwelcome opportunity was granted him, however, when he was imprisoned in Egypt between 1011 and 1021, having failed a task set him by a caliph in Cairo to help solve the problem of regulating the flooding of the Nile. While still in Basra, Ibn al-Haytham had claimed that the Nile's autumn flood waters could be held by a system of dykes and canals, thereby preserved as reservoirs until the summer's droughts. But on arrival in Cairo, he soon realised that his scheme was utterly impractical from an engineering perspective. Yet rather than admit his mistake to the dangerous and murderous caliph, Ibn-al Haytham instead decided to feign madness as a way to escape punishment. This promptly led to him being placed under house arrest, thereby granting him 10 years of seclusion in which to work. He was only released after the caliph's death. He returned to Iraq where he composed a further 100 works on a range of subjects in physics and mathematics. While travelling through the Middle East during my filming, I interviewed an expert in Alexandria who showed me recently discovered work by Ibn al-Haytham on astronomy. It seems he had developed what is called celestial mechanics, explaining the orbits of the planets, which was to lead to the eventual work of Europeans like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Newton. It is incredible that we are only now uncovering the debt that today's physicists owe to an Arab who lived 1,000 years ago. Professor Jim Al-Khalili presents Science and Islam on BBC Four at 2100GMT on Monday 5, 12 & 19 January BBC

^^^That is because your wife would laugh her head off at you if you asked! LOL. Anyway CL I think Ngonge is getting a bit paranoid and at the same time big headed, so iska daaf.

Why have you all hijack my thread. :mad: You have the whole of Politics section to discuss Somali and all their problems.

^^^Okay here is a deal, I would arrange for you and him to go cinema. How about that?

^^^I only understood Seven Pounds right at the end, the rest of the time, I was trying to figure out what was going on, this is because I did not read what the movie was about at all. I was only searching for a film to watch and I came across it, thought Will smith must be saving earth kind film. LOL.

Shuttle diplomacy Diplomatic efforts to halt the fighting in the Gaza Strip are moving into high gear. French President Nicolas Sarkozy will be shuttling across the Middle East, taking in Egypt - which mediated a recent six-month truce between Hamas and Israel - as well as Jerusalem, the Palestinian West Bank town of Ramallah and Syria. Mr Sarkozy's Foreign Minister, Bernard Kouchner, is part of an EU delegation, which has met Egyptian President Mubarak in the Red Sea resort of Sharm al Sheikh. Speaking to reporters after the meeting, the EU's foreign policy chief Javier Solana said that Egypt could play a vital role in easing the conflict in Gaza. "We would like very much to obtain a ceasefire - the sooner the better... The co-operation with Egypt is going to be fundamental." EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner said it was vital to get food and medical supplies into Gaza to ensure hospitals were able to function. She said: "We know fuel, food, water, wheat - all that is missing. We want the hospitals to work, and indeed, for that we know that politically to get a ceasefire as quickly as possible." Israel has said it will allow more aid into Gaza later, and that 80 trucks would cross from Israel carrying food and medicines. BBc News

Reader? Is that not something to do with American politics of something? I'm good, how you doing? Good rest? P.s. Ngonge is too old for Cinema, last time he went, it was black and white screen

^^How is rape not a big crime? By what measure are you being fair to state that him being a child rapist is not that big. Acuudubililah. P.s. Please I'm not interesting in whether he is a national hero for some people or not, the guy is a criminal on the run for a very serious crime. It is neither here nor there if he is a lyrical maCc.

Oxfam supported health worker killed and ambulance destroyed in Israeli shelling in Gaza Israeli offensive puts families’ and aid workers’ lives at risk, Oxfam warns A paramedic working for an Oxfam funded organisation was killed when an Israeli shell struck a civilian ambulance in Gaza today according to international agency Oxfam. The tragedy illustrates the deadly dangers faced by Palestinian civilians and aid workers, said the agency. Another paramedic lost his foot and a driver was injured in the same incident, which occurred when an ambulance belonging to Oxfam’s partner organisation, Union of Health Work Committees, was hit while trying to evacuate an injured person in the Beit Lahiya area, Oxfam said. The UN estimates over 100 civilians have been killed in Gaza over the past week although some other organisations believe the civilian death toll is significantly higher. “The incident shows yet again that trying to fight a military campaign in the densely populated streets and alleys of the Gaza Strip will inevitably lead to civilian casualties. There are no safe areas and Gazans who want to flee the fighting have been prevented from leaving the Strip,” said Oxfam GB Country Director John Prideaux-Brune in Jerusalem. The Israeli ground offensive into Gaza, which began on Saturday following a week of heavy bombardment by land, sea and air, is preventing urgently needed supplies of medicine, food, water, and fuel from reaching one and a half million Palestinian women, men and children, Oxfam said. “Hospitals in Gaza are overflowing with dead and wounded while facing severe shortages of essential medical supplies and spare parts. Oxfam and local partners have had to suspend all our work, apart from emergency medical aid. Many of our colleagues in Gaza are trapped in their homes, and in fear of their and their families’ lives. Others, such as the paramedic Arafa, have lost their lives trying to save others. “The trickle of humanitarian aid that Israel has sometimes allowed in through one border crossing at Kerem Shalom has been completely inadequate to meet the needs of 1.5 million people – 80% of whom are reliant on this aid. Since the start of the Israeli ground offensive, even that trickle has dried up. An immediate ceasefire is urgently needed to allow essential aid to reach those families who need it,” added Prideaux-Brune. Oxfam is calling for a binding UN Security Council resolution to demand: an immediate halt to violence in Gaza and Israel by all parties, all parties to commit to an immediate, comprehensive and permanent truce, Israel, Hamas and other parties to permit immediate and unhindered access to and from Gaza for humanitarian and commercial goods, and for people, thereby ending the blockade. Oxfam is also calling on the European Union to suspend the EU-Israel upgrade process until there is a comprehensive ceasefire in Gaza, and Israel provides unimpeded humanitarian access.

Salam people, Morning Snow

Although demos do largely make people feel "better" for at least doing something, Demonstrations should really only be used to bring something to the forth front of the public agenda or provide a issue with media coverage. However you can only achieve that if the demonstrations is large enough, and well planned, i.e. the reasons you are demonstrating are well know. For the most part on their own, all the do is register your disapproval on a public level. With regards to Palestine, the demos are being used in the west to bridge the gap between the reporting of the west biased media and the daily on goings. The speeches in the UK were used to highlight the disparities and disproportion nature of the Israeli response and highlight the deliberate disregard for civilian life. The demonstration in London was large enough to attack both news coverage and public/ political attention. It has been used as a systematic tool following political lobby through out the week on ALL levels MEP, MP, Party level. Places like Manchester and Bham did not get much covering because the attendance was said to only reach about 2,000- 5,000 people. HEre are some pictures for the Manchester one www.thinkingoutoftheblog.blogspot.com London was said to be as high as 20,000, although the police estimate is 10, 000. Che the pictures are loaded on Facebook. I will try and load some here Inshallah.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Foreign Office Minister for the Middle East Bill Rammell commented on the situation in Gaza during interviews with the BBC and Sky News on Saturday 3 January. Speaking on the Radio 4 Today programme David Miliband said: 'Everyone wants both sides to stop and everyone wants those with influence to use that influence to put a stop to this. I think that the dangers for Palestinians are very, very large and the dangers for Israel are very, very large as well and I spent a good part of last year arguing that the only way to get a sensible set of security arrangements for Israel and justice for the Palestinians was a comprehensive peace. That means sorting out the relations of all the Arab world with Israel, not just the Palestinians, and I think the significance therefore of the Arab League letter to President-elect Obama, reiterating their commitment to normalise relations with Israel in return for a secure and viable Palestinian state, is very significant. I think that is the only way in which were going to be able to achieve the two goals that are so important to everyone: a secure Israel and justice for the Palestinians.' Read the transcript of the interview During an interview on Sky News Bill Rammell said: 'This is a dark and dangerous moment in the Middle East. We've been unequivocal in arguing for an urgent and immediate ceasefire. We've argued very strongly for effective humanitarian aid access, the medical supplies, the food, the equipment that is desperately needed. But we've also argued for a reinvigorated political process because a military solution is not going to be a sustainable one. We desperately need to see that ceasefire and diplomatic activity take place. That's what we've been arguing for. There is immense international diplomatic activity taking place at the United Nations, in the European Union, at the Quartet and bilaterally the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary have been talking on a daily basis to their counterparts in Israel, the Palestinian territories and the wider Arab world to try and move us towards that ceasefire.' Read the transcript of Bill Rammell's interviews with the BBC and Sky Foreign Secretary David Miliband commented on the escalation of the conflict in Gaza on Saturday 3 January. He said: 'Unfolding events show the urgent need for the immediate ceasefire that we have called for. The escalation of the conflict will cause alarm and dismay. Intensive diplomatic efforts to find a solution continue. The EU troika will visit the region tomorrow, as will President Sarkozy. The Prime Minister and I remain in very close contact with our EU, US and Middle Eastern colleagues. We are determined to work as quickly as possible for a durable ceasefire which must include an end to the smuggling of arms into Gaza and the opening of the Gaza crossings. The UK believes that the crisis in the Middle East matters to the whole world. The only sustainable basis for delivering security and justice for Israelis and Palestinians, is the vision of two states living in peace side by side, supported by the rest of the region.'

^^You mean you are laughing at Juje signature. Oh Okay. Maxaan moodeye innaad events aad kuu qooslasiid. Caafwaan.