Raamsade you are confused atheer. You mean a hijaab in Somalia? Last I knew Somali women were walking around in diracs and koogaard. When the Islamic courts tried to impose the two piece hijab everyone laughed at them, I doubt al shabbah has had better luck despite all the chopping they have been doing. America went to kick the bad man out remember and instill they wonderful western fairness and bliss, please you cannot speak of hypocrisy and use that to support your claim.! You are shooting yourself in the foot. The west claims to be better, so better is expected of them- otherwise Iraq could’ve kept it the way it was. African and Arab leaders don't even bother to pretend, so there is no real surprise. I think Castro already pointed this out to you above.

^^^I always have one foot out the door, at this moment I just don't have another door to jam my spare foot with. Sweet nothings has not got them anywhere for 18years, it just waste their time and resources.

BOB, you want inaan ku rif-rif oh!! YOu better leave me alone and stop calling me names, otherwise I'm let everything out of the bag, I mean everything I know. The ball is in your court-If I am lying, I am dying, don't push me, suuqa ayan kaa saari! :cool:

Che, aim for the middle ground. Planders iyo SLanders waaxab kaal heestey on this forum. School kids caamal waa laa iska daab waregiya! :rolleyes:

CNN reported that the Jackson family is meeting with an imam to make the funeral arrangements for the janazah (Muslim funeral prayer) for Michael Jackson. Source: imamjohari.wordpress .com

^^Can't be true, my secessionist card is still in process as it has been for few years, Che only recently flipped dhee hence my question.

^^^I don't mind your attacks normally harmless old man I have been busy indeed, time wasting maa aragety!! goes off to see the damage in the other thread

^^You mean they did not go to English school? How short sighted of you, its not their first language yaa English teacher. Maybe you want the somali version?

^^^Wow, lol an angry version of the old Castro. Wlc back by the way. I missed you around here.

Now Imtithal (I agree with bob nice name) if you want the freedom to cry and not be looked at funny then u must also let people not cry without passing judgement. You cannot have it both ways. I have a balanced qalbi Bob story was a reminder of the wisdom of older people and parents, as well as people who including me don't have the benefit of being near their parents. There is nothing to cry over that I could see, it is good advise. So my dear sis I wish you enough, but not too much tears that you can't see pass it Fufu stop spying on me

^^^who are you and what have you done with the real Che nomad? When did concepts such as the real sons to somalia become your slogan?

Did I miss something?? America’s policy always isolated Somaliland as they were not willing to entertain its claims to independency, it is only interested in dialog with Somaliland as part of Somalia, Somaliland guys rejected this and campaigned against it (obviously they failed to persuade them). Somehow it was assumed they were not serious and will bow to pressure, when they didn’t, it pissed some people off like Donald Payne. But it is irrelevant because there is nothing they gave Somaliland which they can take back now, nor were they WILLING to give Somaliland what it wants there was no bridged to burn. So really it is an empty threat to isolate them. They could not be anymore isolated as it is, so nothing to lose, now they know exactly where they stand-at least with him. They can either find another way in or stop wasting peoples money going to ridiculously expensive tours for “recognition” in America, perhaps use the money for something else which benefits the locals.

Originally posted by Fu-Fu: ^^^LooL Ibtisaaam Have you ever listened to a tune and almost cried or got really emotional because it's so good? Aliyah yariisay hala dhaafo she'z is so emotional waa gabar fiican No that is a bit too over the top, anyway if something is good, why would I end up crying. I am more likely to do flying jumps

Raamsade Yaad yad ya, you speak rubbish. What Somali women have you seen who are forced to wear a niqab. No ONE can force somali women to do anything, indaah aya kaal soo biixi. Shame you don't know that. The rest of what you said is hot air. They say two wrongs don't make a right. In any case the west is always up in the business of Muslim countries, even invading to enforce their way or ideas, you clearly are confused. The rest of you, you are welcome. I posted this because on my response to Lazy girl in the other thread, I said won't Muslim women get involved, and niqabs speak up for what they practice. Same day I said, this was published, so it is only fair I extend their voice and share. :cool:

Bob; I wish you enough abowe LOOL @ Fu0-fu what do you mean yaa amusin doona!! Bloody cheek!! LOL

Wearing my niqab is a choice freely made, for spiritual reasons. I put on my niqab, my face veil, each day before I leave the house, without a second thought. I drape it over my face, tie the ribbons at the back and adjust the opening over my eyes to make sure my peripheral vision is not affected. Had I a full-length mirror next to the front door, I would be able to see what others see: a woman of average height and build, covered in several layers of fabric, a niqab, a jilbab, sometimes an abayah, sometimes all black, other times blue or brown. A Muslim woman in 'full veil'. A niqabi. But is that truly how people see me? When I walk through the park with my little ones in tow, when I reverse my car into a parking space, when I browse the shelves in the frozen section, when I ask how to best cook asparagus at a market stall, what do people see? An oppressed woman? A nameless, voiceless individual? A criminal? Well, if Mr Sarkozy and others like him have their way, I suppose I will be a criminal, won't I? Never mind that "it's a free country"; never mind that I made this choice from my own free will, as did the vast majority of covered women of my generation; never mind that I am, in every other respect, an upstanding citizen who works hard as a mother, author and magazine publisher, spends responsibly, recycles and tries to eat seasonally and buy local produce! Yes, I cover my face, but I am still of this society. And, as crazy as it might sound, I am human, a human being with my own thoughts, feelings and opinions. I refuse to allow those who cannot know my reality to paint me as a cardboard cut-out, an oppressed, submissive, silenced relic of the Dark Ages. I am not a stereotype and, God willing, I never will be. But where are those who will listen? At the end of the day, Muslim women have been saying for years that the hijab et al are not oppressive, that we cover as an act of faith, that this is a bonafide spiritual lifestyle choice. But the debate rages on, ironically, largely to the exclusion of the women who actually do cover their faces. The focus on the niqab is, in my opinion, utterly misplaced. Don't the French have anything better to do than tell Muslim women how to dress? Don't our societies have bigger problems than a relative handful of women choosing to cover their faces out of religious conviction? The "burka issue" has become a red herring: there are issues that Muslim women face that are more pressing, more wide-reaching and, essentially, more relevant than whether or not they should be covering with a niqab, burqa or hijab. At the end of the day, all a ban will do is force Muslim women who choose to cover to retreat even further - it is not going to result in a mass "liberation" of Muslim women from the veil. All women, covered or not, deserve the opportunity to dress as they see fit, to be educated, to work where they deem appropriate and run their lives in accordance with their principles, as long as these choices do not impinge on others' freedoms. And last time I looked, being able to see a woman's hair, legs or face were not rights granted alongside "liberté, egalité et fraternité". As a Muslim woman living in the UK, I am so grateful for the fact that my society does not force me to choose between being a practising Muslim and an active member of society. I have been able to study, to work, to establish a writing career and run a magazine business, all while wearing a niqaab. I think that that is a credit to British society, no matter what the anti-multiculturalis ts may say, and I think the French could learn some very valuable lessons from the British approach. So, three cheers for those women who make the choice to cover, in whatever way and still go out there every day. Go out to brave the scorn and ridicule of those who think they understand the burka better than those who actually wear it. Go out to face the humiliating headlines. Go out to face the taunts of schoolchildren. Go out to fight another day. Go out to do their bit for society and the common good. Because you never know, if Mr Sarkozy and his supporters have their way, there could come a day when these women think twice about going out there into a society that cannot bear the way they look. And, who knows, I could be one of them. And, while some would disagree, I think that would be a sad day. Na'ima B. Robert is the founding editor of SISTERS , a magazine for Muslim women and author of 'From My Sisters' Lips ', a look at the lives of British Muslim women who cover. From Times Online June 26, 2009

^^^ You mean late I played football and run long distance right up till I was year 11, only then did I leave my perfect environment and everyone kept saying maa nine baad tahey, acting super shock. By the way focus yeah, the rest of the message is for the likes of you.

Sheh saan whoo kneading baa muuruqyo ii soo baaxan, now your saying I could've just let it rest and put my feet up?? Shiid house! I feel abused

Angry management dear

Originally posted by Adam-Zayla: Neutrality syndrome is a dangerous mindset i have noticed amongst some Somali teenagers, myself included in the past. Let's say a Somali guy encounters a beautiful Somali girl who is drooled over by his Ajanabi friends but he himself sees her as nothing other than his Somali sister and tells his friends to be quite, then this brother has the Neutrality syndrome . If a Somali girl sees her ajanabi friends giggling and checking out a good looking Somali guy and she herself can't figure out why they are so into him, then she my friend is also suffering from the neutrality syndrome We all naturally have this syndrome with regards to our blood siblings, but when a person lives and grows up in a foreign country he/she absorbs the host country's culture, and usually the original culture is pushed to the periphery of that person's life and they in extreme cases become A-sexual to members of their own ethnic community, while those who are really into their culture are more inclined to feel attracted to a compatriot I've seen this amongst Indians, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Turks, Poles and of course Somalis. I could not agree more with this, often you would think, ooh waa Somali eh, "You mean the Somali brother" end of convo. Till you get to university and all your none Somali friends suggest you meet their other Somali, it took me a while to realise they were trying to hook us up. Kids have no business dating, I agree with the mothers on this. The Somali lady is confused about Somali traditions, it is NOT the same as the current culture. To the boys; I think it is disgusting that the Somali male these days find it acceptable to date 4/5 young Somali sisters with no serious intentions about them. I remember when I went to school, the Somali brothers never use to speak to me but duusha aye iga iilalin jirrin. Once in year 8 I got kicked by this huge Jamaican boy while playing football, and then he pushed me to the floor and swore at me, some how few of Somali guys heard about it, and I don’t know what they did to the dude, but for the next three years if I dropped a pencil/ note book he will jump up and pick it up for me. Strange thing, they never ever spoke to me, but I always knew they were around keeping an eye out, I use to boast that I am going to get my brothers on you. Lovely extended family. I also remember that they roughed up a Bengali boy in my class who brought me a rose on Valentines Day. I was too embarrassed to ask them about it. They were all with white/mixed race girls, I'm sure they upgraded to a Somali one once they wanted to get married.

Reer Burco know better and have better things to do with their time. Ngonge thinks they are like him. As he said they were eating sand in the hawd not being rocked to bed with MJ songs, what do they care. The Abdi Habi riwaayad I assume.

^^YOu add oil BEFORe water?? That is big yaab for me!!! I fold them and then freez them too. You really don't want to be making sambuus three/ four times a week. We just make 30 one sunday, and then make another bulk once that is finished. But maalinta waad gooisa, big time wey kuu da matey. LOL

aah it goes in the other way. LOOOL She thought you guys looking inside her will cure her. Maskeen, its all physiological sometimes, if you had done it, she would've probably said I feel better despite no treatment NinBrown the people affected by these myth tend to be the older generation. They will never listen to me or you or anyone who does not add to their stories, simple because it is matter of “you’ve been brainwashed, don’t you know what happened to heblayo” I’ve been going in circles with my family for a long time. It needs a more systematic approach for targeted education rather than events. IF I had the medical background and skills I would’ve hosted an open workshop which operates all year around, helping Somali people get a better understanding of their treatments and the information they are being given. It would be like a steping stone between the health care services and community. In the long term it may foster trust and open communication. If only someone will take it up.

LOOL I only got it now.

Private treatment in the UK costs and arm and leg unless you are insured. No way a normal somali person can afford it. I thought he was a general physician or something, but I’ve seen him tell people to come and see him about wide ranging disease from infertility to liver disease to urological problems, and seems to treat both children and adults. He cannot be consultant who deals with all those things, so I am think maybe his clinic hosts a range of specialist, either that or it is a diagnostic centre. I think he is on thursday evenings 7.30pm. Will check as well.