^^You (those who disagree) do not agree on anything, so what are you going to show her. And if after you show her, she still sticks to her way, you would still subject her to insults and call her names. Maybe you don't do death threats- at least not in the west, but otherwise you are the only smart logical humans- those that have shed the chains of religion that is. :rolleyes: Johnny I will get to you, if I can be bothered, but I'd rather work on lazy; at least me and her have some common grounds. You cannot expect me to argue with you about something that we don't even have foundation to start the argument on.

Lazy: Okay. So in your view a head scarf fulfils the religious requirement and we should be allowed that, or at least those who want to wear it SHOULD be able to because it is a religious requirement, however the niqaab and the jalbib/ Burka is extra curriculum and therefore it should be banned- regardless if they wear it because they want to or not. If that is your basic argument, then yes I can answer you and will do so inshallah. In return I want you to consider my answer and then answer what your truly believe, in addition I will only quote you: 1) What Allah Said 2) What the prophet (PBUH) said 3) What the sahaba (1,2, 3 and 4 generations after the prophet said) 4) What is agreed upon by the four major school of thoughts in the Sunni sect 5) And my own analysis I would like you to keep to the same restrictions, I will not accept the arguments of: 1) A Gaal (regardless of how smart or educated) This includes people who use to be Muslim 2) A current shike known as Moderate Muslim 3) A Somali historian who seeks the tradition of Somalis rather than the influence of religion 4) Your opinion remains an analysis- it cannot be fact or masked as holding religious significance (same goes for me) Lastly my priority is that Islam prevails as a RELIGION (not culture) in the west and that Muslims are proactive in ensuring we get the room to practice and preach. There is no compromise regardless of whether we live in a Muslim country or not, for those of us in the west, it does not mean that we can escape the requirements of Islam- particularly the obligatory parts such as covering (I know you agree that covering is obligatory)and therefore I do not take lightly the issue of banning. Anyother things you won't accept or want me to avoid let me know. If you don't agree with the above or have a problem with it then say so before I get writing. North, Lazy aniga iga haad I think you two spend too much time fighting that neither of you no longer reads what the other writes, therefore debating is useless, neither of you is willing to give the other benefit of doubt or willing to have their views altered.

Layzie; I will responds to all your points later inshallah. But just so we are clear; By Burka you mean: and What form of Hijab if any are you advocating for?? Or do I have start from the basic of what is the religious requirement of covering for a Muslimah.

~^^^Not if you are going anywhere in Asia or Africa. I want something else Well enjoy and have fun in the sun, come back with a tan.

^^^Loool, maybe we should leave it to them for a while, then they will get bored together. when are you off tonight? and are you not going to tell me where u are off to?? How else would I know what present to ask for?

What is with these calcal threads and complains about women these days; Guys it is really simple; you cannot change Women as a whole, so just find ONE that agrees with your twisted logic and can deal with your continuous moaning and calca. Then save the rest of us the lectures. Girls: Keep away from guys like the ones who post these threads is SOL. P.s. Most of them are normal and change the children’s nappies, cook, clean and take off their wife’s shoes and massage her feet in real life, they just like to appear dysfunctional in front of each other. Ninkasta oo adage his wife ba ka adage.

Hello Lazy: I wear a Burka from time to time and inshallah I intend to wear it full time one day. Instead of answering for these so called ignorant, uneducated (not your words, the other guy Cic words) and you implied. So please explain to me why: 1) My personal choice concerns other people or requires their approval. 2) If you want to know why I wear it; ask me or people who wear it in the west full time; Or do you assume they are so stupi*d or uneducated that they cannot answer for themselves? 3) What harm I am causing by wearing it? 4) What is the relevance of banning it? Please remember that I am total against people who are forced to wear it by others. Lastly IF a women wears it and she likes it, but may or may not have religious reasons behind it, do we still have the right to dictate that she cannot wear it, simply because she is not armed with religious quotes. Thanks. P.s. Lazy seems far, but I tent to agree with her on certain issues, however on this issue I feel like it is becoming like Johnny and the issue of GOD.

Just called family back home. Must have been shouting on the phone (somali style Mii maqlisa?) My office door was open and this women who directs people (yes thats her job, she stands there all day 8-5 directing patients and smiling) goes "are you okay Ibtisam?, boyfriend p*iss you off". could not be bothered to explain, so I just said something like that. CL I'm sad to read your tube Romance SPOKE! Shiid why would he do that? I thought we decided he will stay quite.

Ngonge what do you mean; I can bake and cook; I just don't enjoy it as much as faheema. Faheema; don't bake today; I want fresh ones tomorrow.

Juxa: Had an image of fat Sheh after you stuffed her with xalwad!; Loool Lool @ car too big. Yeah she is at home- told to take time off; watch by monday she will complain and then she will take a taxi to work or something. Another workerholic. 5 do you even live in the UK , You can join the cyber party before the party on SOL Juxa did the invites, blame her. North lol

JB: Yeah, her own car, jiin ba wadey. North, nothing broken just stiff, swollen and painful.

^^^We are having a party friday night, please come and tell us about your 2010 way of living. (It is more of eating leafs so maahah?) Lool @ go early!!! lol YA salam. I was up thinkinh about death because I could not sleep last night. Then I could not sleep coz I depressed myself. Faheema uu so duceya, she had friday 13th experience last night (her own car run her over/ rolled on her) and now her leg is bigger than Norths.

Hello All. Sheh you are still sitting in the cold! I told you to come over, I have a big empty warm house women. Did you book a holiday to cheer yourself up.

^^I though you had it fixed just the other day?? :eek: Order take away, you are allowed a day off the healthy-ness!. If they don't fix it today you can come and keep me company. Lool @ packed and going. I won't suprised if you just left today.

Chubacka are you new in the job?? Maybe she will leave you alone and find something else to do Everytime I watch Waterloo road (only when I am with Faheema) The mixed race lady reminds me of Malika. I imagin that is how she is with her student.

Juxa, no ice cream- far to cold but we can get something to eat, I did fast bila ajar today and now having bloody oats. The Account told me how much I have to pay for tax by Jan 31st. Hmmmm I feel like running away and taking a nice long holiday with the money instead. Damn them.

CL is not going anywhere *Hi, CL, Please hold the front for us better will you, don't let saqajaanimo slip by again. Juxa adiga weye ino tahey on friday Malika I know a brother who sales laptops- second hand cheap ones but also new ones. I can give you his details.

^^Morning. Where??

I liked Fabregas- nice funny joky chap. Faheema, afkeena aya isku amiin aah, I won't say a word

SalamAlikum. This circus has gone on long enough, 7pages and I have become public property, so let me shut it down and spoil the party. Dear Duke: I've been silent and hoping that inaad iis qaabetidi oh wax iskula haadid and with this in mind put up with continuous cantrabqash, and since my kinsmen are far too embarrassed on your behalf to set you straight, I will do so myself. I am sure you are by now wondering why Ngonge, Oodwenye and JB the so called bigwigs has been ignoring your nacnac, and this is purely for the reason that this proposal makes no sense to them. Now regardless of what culture you (DUKE) practice, WE (the noble people of the north as a whole and noble somali people in general) do not propose, offer, extend our hand, ask, approach, eye up, or even hinqaabo about a women WHO is ALREADY MARRIED. Now I know Siikawe (nice name indheer and thanks) is unaware of this fact (despite what you think, northerners are not all up in each other business) because he is fairly new and the good Ayoub does not frequent the general section and missed the congratulation thread last May 2009. However I know that YOU know that I am Married for you have approached me previously via private message (which if you object I will dig up and post here) to commence Somali style online shukanis, to which I included in my declining reply that I am married and you sent back your congrats. Now with that history in mind, I am surprised and deeply embarrassed on your behalf that you feel it is Okay, admirable or acceptable to proposition a married women and even be stubborn enough to ask for an audience with her kinsmen to hear your shameful approach. With that said maybe there is a strange culture in your village which allows this practice, or perhaps someone told you that like the days of jahiliya you can hijack and kidnap an already women, but I will inform you that this practice only remains alive in primitive (Lacking Islamic enlightenment in this case) societies such as nomadic East Africans who border the Somalis on both sides. Now unless you are from those societies (in which case nacabaadab lam huubo and your peace argument is pants, but it does explain your undying support of the old goat Yey). I am sure you would not mind in this case if I public tell you to taking a running leap for I am too much of lady to use more colourful adjectives, but the gist of it is “Computer says No”. Moving on Sayid, it is a shame really that you picked a man who has no shame or respect (in this case for me, because he had some of the barris & Hilib (hindi biryian counts) at my mehr) nor does he value you as his cousin (or he would’ve sincerely advice you to ka jog wa la buuxa) to lead with a fake hangool (I hope you know what that means) and cimamad to supposedly present your case, in fact he has done no such thing, because he partly shares some commonality with Ciigal Shidad but also he has a little bit more common sense than you and the barris in his elephant belly told him it is shameful impossibility, instead he resulted to doing what he does best; Lying and making up responses and muddying the waters for other respected sisters in this forum. He like everyone else knows our Cara will accept the offer and then pour boiling oil on you before hacking your body parts slowly and painfully starting with your tongue and testicles; she will experiment on your body parts, before feeding you to her lab rats, meanwhile she will video tape the whole thing and later put it on youtube to help her plea of temporary insanity. Getting back to the point and not dwelling on your potential slow and painful death at the hands of dearest gentle Cara, Sayid is a liar, and a shameful man who forgot the hand that fed him once. I’m sure I have said quite enough on his actions. Juxa, Malika, CL I’m not sure what to say, because really I expected at least Juxa and CL to set the man straight, but alias jar baad ka tuurtin. To the rest, at best Duke is a mad man (I hope this is the case) At worst Duke somalinimad waxaba kama yaqaano, for he is clearly having problems dealing with the something as small as women out of limits due to reasons of existing stable marriage- culture and religion dictates to leave well alone. Hungury Me and you go back a long way, I remember when you was a mere teenager in the womens section with Rooble and Xalan, such a long way you have come since brother. W/Salam P.s. The double standards against northerners on this site is mind blogging; imagine if JB or Ngonge started a thread like this about a married none Northerner sister, with terms like booty thrown around. The outrage :eek: :eek: bunch of racist freaks. I am Ibtisam and I authorize this message :cool:

The weather people really don't know shid, they said it was getting warmer, and it is snowing more than last time. North, they can't sue the council because it is natural adverse weather conditions and they are not be reasonably expected to treat all roads and pavements. BUT JUXa’s phone will be ringing off the hook with old ladies and men saying waan dacey. Salam people

Lool Juxa do tell. What shiid did he cook up to steal some dosh

Johnny beat him black and blue and send him back to Qardho. I will post you some xalwad if you do so and even lend you my burco budh.

Lool Johnny Somali. Gafurkan ka tumi

Cupping is one thing that scares me; give me acupuncture any day though