Malika why do you ask? because he is from Burco? I feel like going home now to sleep.

Cute kind criminal miya lol Your second joke :eek: lol

Juxa wa aaf Jiin Hey chubacka. lool That was funny!! lool

Salamah; Hmmmm... interesting... http://www.islamswomen.com/hijab/virtues_of_hijab.php I checked the website briefly, I don’t see that ayah anywhere. You're tied up, or rather welded, into the "system" that it is always the woman's fault. The man has no control over his urges and thus is excused, but the woman, she is the one who must cover-up completely. This statement of yours is very relative because it doesn't have a "bounding box", whether a woman wears a t-shirt and jeans, a skirt and blouse, a diirac, a shalwar kameez or a sari.. she will always be wearing less compared to the full blanket, used by e.g. the Taliban, in order to prevent women from participating in the public sphere as they rightfully should. Religious fundamentalists such as them also view that what they interpret of the Quran is the most accurate interpretation. And unfortunately you fail to see through that. See my above post, I already told you once my position on man and his urges and who is blamed. I am not the Taliban, never was and never agreed with them, so it is pointless you quoting me what they did or did not do. Exactly my point. This is the system's way of sidelining women and keeping them "away from the world", a world that is controlled by men... whether it be religion or otherwise. Women empowerment is NOT found between their legs or how much/less clothing they wear. It is state of mind enhanced by education and opportunities. Now if you said Muslim women are not given as much opportunity because of what they wear, I might agree with you. Although I don't doubt your experience as a researcher, but at least you have numbers from the West, but in a Muslim society these kinds of statistics are not revealed nor are they recorded for that matter. Whatever rape cases are heard of are of Western women... and please don't make me explain why this is because I know you're smart enough to figure it out. It is not so much that they are not revealed, but that no one carries out these researches and the support system is lacking. As for rape is only reported in the West, yes I agree that they are reported to authorities and more likely to get persecution and support. But as with any crime and even disease, recorded data and investment in research is poor or none existent, so we can never know the true extent. I'm amused by your assurance. A rapist will go for anyone if given the opportunity, whether it's 5 layers or not. Please try to see where I'm going with this. You mention the "mahram" which is also another method for the control of women because as they are not competent or intelligent enough to be on their own. They are weak, feeble and need the protection of the male. They are not equals but they are beneath the male and thus they must be controlled and told where, when, and with whom to go. Opportunity in the key dear, an accompanied female is not a target. As for the clothing, the opportunist wants the easiest and fastest option. As for the mahram, that’s your opinion and not a fact, but after travelling on my own a few times, I see the perfect sense and wisdom in travelling with a male in some societies and if I ever go back to those countries, if I can’t find a mahram to go with me, I will hire a man to pretend to be mine. :rolleyes: I asked if it was a "fact" that what you are saying automatically goes "by extension",I did not question whether or not there will be a new prophet. No, it is not a fact, it is my understanding and opinion, otherwise I won’t be having this discussion with Lazy. Rape is very difficult to claim under Sharia because in Islam the burden of proof is on the woman and since her testimony is half that of a man, she's pretty much screwed... again. How did you get from false accusation of lewdness to rape. In any case, rape is not that straight forward and in this day where modern science allows the use of advanced techniques to identify the rapist with the highest accuracy from semen, saliva, blood, hair, fibers, skin scraps, bite marks. And if sharia existed, the same man could not rape again. But we don’t live under Sharia anywhere in this world, so our arguments will only remain as ifs and buts. Ibti don't start avoiding the issues here. It would be helpful if you answered my question as to how this verse "does not condone violence" and how "a beating improves the situation" and regarding your contradiction. I don’t have time to spoon feed you; I like how you like to clink to the prevailing Arab culture at the time of the Prophet (PBUH) when it suits you, and yet when I tell you that this ayah was dealing with the needs and the circumstances. As for how it can help; the measures may work in some cases and cultures (the nomadic Somali culture which you admire so much is one of them) and on the same token it is not effective in other cases. In fact the prophet discouraged this measure, "Do not beat the female servants of Allah"; "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you." As for how does not condone violence; In Islam if an act is "permissible" it is not required or nor is it forbidden nor is it encouraged. There are many examples, but the one I can think of right now is the issue of Divorce in Islam. ________________________________________ In any case, religion is judged by the scripture Not its followers action, otherwise we'll be here all year talking about what different Muslims do. ________________________________________ Oh really? This is a highly illogical statement. Where do the followers get their instructions, inspirations and laws from? Actually you are being illogical here, two different people can never read the same line and understand it the same way, particularly considering the diversity in background and culture. This is why there is such big problem with regards to interruptions and application; it is also why we are even having this discussion. See my discussion with Lazy, take off is hindered by getting an interruption of the ayahs we want to discuss. ________________________________________ Cicero: As I keep telling Johnny I am not going to debate about the meaning of an Ayah or its application with someone WHO does not even believe in the authority of the Quran or its validity or a GOD. Kind of pointless really. ________________________________________ If you cannot reasonably defend what you believe in, then what is the point of believing? and by reasonably I don't mean "just because it's written here then it MUST be true". What do we teach our children before they go to school... "do not believe what people tell you, but think for yourself and come up with your own conclusions". We are not in school, nor are we children; it is not that I cannot defend what I believe in, it is that I would only bother if I think I or they might gain something from the discussion. In this case he is bent on being insulting and condescending and I cannot be bothered. Secondly, there is no foundation to base his objection on, discussion with them needs to start from the top of the pyramid and address the issue of God before you can confront the broad issues or their application. Reminds me of my philosophy class when the lecturer told me to leave God and such ideas outside the door and pick them up on my way out in an effort to get me on the same ground as everyone else. Same way Cicero, Johnny and I will never be able to discuss religion without meeting at a starting point, and the application is not that place. Lazy Allahu Akbar, Walahi you are not even as far as I thought. I will post my response tonight inshallah. Alimos took up enough of my lunch time for now. W'Salam

Loool @ Sujui iyo dacad kale dheer. Musuqmasaq.com Juxa, come you can't even say your home town without choking on your baris or the other passing out with laughter. Don't worry though you could have been from worse named places, hop-hop, iskushuuban, daco quurun

I've met my fair share from both camps CL . The Somali loving ones always remind of Japanese tourist in London; so excited (instead of their OH my god you are from London, have you seen Big Ben and the London Eye- it becomes "oh my god, you was born back home, how does the sand feel, or you luck thing you are from Burco :confused: )

CL, some are Somali and proud Somalis, they love Somali-ness more than us recent qaxoontis. Others are like the Afro-Americans and their attitudes of Africans.

I thought Mohammed Yusef was a sujui guy, might be confusing him with another, baal check with him before you call him as your Somali millionaire. In any case, say Mashallah before your turn his wealth to dusty. JB caajuus waxaid

What?? Nothing to explain, I'm just glad to be alive and kicking. I also had very little sleep and high on sugar and cake and coffee, sweets and juice. I felt guilty about so much junk so early in the day so I had some grapes too. Pretend to be very very very happy and you shall feel happy, learn to trick your mind-

SalamAlikum people. Its a lovely day, lovely day, lovellllllllllllly day.

^^I hate subway!! It taste and smelly awful. Also I can' eat same thing three times a day. Cara, I just made pack lunch for tomorrow, and I still have enough food till tuesday. I'm already proud of myself hehe Cara haha lol no, not swimming the channel, but yes looking for mermaids somewhere

Here is a video of what happend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oinl2q1Eqsw&feature=player_embedded I know the family of one of the young lads who died. May Allh have mercy on all those who lost their life and grant them jannah. Never heard of this Shike till this whole thing happened.

I have discovered that people will believe anything if you say it with a smile. Haha I'm going to use this more. I've also decided that I am going to cook lots of food once a week and eat it the whole week, rather than eating out all the time. Oh how I hate cooking though.

You don't learn from Islam on a forum edo, In any case I can only deal with one person at a time in each thread, and you only came in here to mock me as a person, otherwise why bring up what I design or do outside of SOL, particularly when you are informing lazy about it as if someone this will influence the credibility of what I am saying about this issue. I don't see how that adds to your knowledge on Islam, just sounds like the first sign of obsession. P.s. Well since I only have one account and never been banned my post count makes sense. P.s.s. Islam section is that way >>>> Maybe Nur can help you.

Max I know you are bored and want someone to talk to you so please go and troll elsewhere. Not wearing a hijab does not mean someone does not believe that they should. I can't believe you would comparing it to the above. You really are being silly. Now run along. :rolleyes:

Max, read my response to Alimos on page one. Islam is NOT about me and what I do, so keep it moving. I can defend the hijab without even wearing one. Islam does not change just because its followers are imperfect. Lazy I’m going to wait on you to post your position with regards to what Islam ordains, what is acceptable to you and what is not. Then I am clear on what you are objecting to, what alternative you advocate for and how far you would go to get rid of what you object to in society. P.s. Max, go ahead and post your pictures (not in this thread, we are trying to have a serious discussion here you know, bloody ciyaal make your own and I'll defend my position.

Lots of old people as I said But I see few sisters there. Well done.

One step at a time sister; We must agree on the basic evidence; that modesty and covering is ordained. Hence why I am saying which tasfir you use is irrelevant as the basic will remain the same. Once we agree on that, then we can move on to its application, which surprisingly I agree with you on same areas. So post translations you are comfortable with, I will agree and we can move on to the appliction and how different people implement it.

Okay Lazy, here is what I want you to do; (First can you read Arabic? then I won't need to post you the English version?) Failing this; FIND a translation within the Sunni sect of Islam and Post meaning of the same above Ayahs and Hadith I have quoted for you. The reason for this is because regardless of who translated, the core meaning does not change, so I am really not to bothered who you quote or what site you use. May Allah protect me from fabricating or attempting to twist his words, because in essence what you are implying is that I am not content with HOW Allah said things and think I can say it better Na’cuudbililah. So knock yourself out, you really are running out of excuses sister, for I have laid a red carpet for you to walk on and open all the doors for you. Really I thought for once you can let go of this issue, but it seems like you don’t want to, so let’s not waste each other’s time. By the way, the translation was from my Kitaab. But lets use your one, since you seem to think it will somehow magically support your way. Allah's words will and laws don't change my dear EDIT: I did read your link question to Nur, it says nothing about what position you hold, nor has he responded to you, so it adds nothing here. I thought I understood your position but now I'm kind of confused since you use the Word Veil differently across threads. And the Niqab thrown in there too; which is not the same as a Burka. So when you have time; sit down and write down your problem with each and the meaning of those verses that you are comfortable with. Salamah

Originally posted by ailamos: quote: I think you are confused brother, the ayah you refer to is: "O you who believe! Do not go into the Prophet's rooms except after being given permission to come and eat, not waiting for the food to be prepared, However, when you are called, then go in and when you have eaten, then disperse, and do not remain wanting to chat together. If you do that, it causes injury to the Prophet though he is too reticent to tell you. But Allah is not reticent with the truth. When you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a screen (33-53) Notice I did not quote that Ayah above for Lazyie- so I don't get what you are asking me, nor is your argument by extension about covering correct, since you picked on the wrong Ayah. [/qb] Hold on a second here, you're accusing me of confusion because I am quoting what's in the Quran? Tell me you dispute the historical facts of ayah 33:53? If you do then I would love to hear your argument. Not at all, the store is true and well known, I was asking you why you are asking me about this Ayah about privacy when I spoke of Hijab as in covering your cawra. I still don't understand how this ayah supports or not Hijab (as in dressing) and why did you bring it up? :confused: quote: 1) It does what matter what you cover your bosoms with so long as it covers. 2) I don't believe you don't see cleavage all day every day. (1) It does matter eh? where does it say that? The no ayah explicitly says "cover your breasts with a chador" does it? (2) I did not understand this point.1) You said you can cover your bosoms with anything, I agreed and said anything is fine so long as IT covers! 2) You said you don't see breast in this society (I assume you mean unlike the Qurisha women who use to bare their breast) So I asked you whether you don't see cleavage all the time. That is true, but what is your point, while it would be nice if society contained men who did not molest or harass women, clearly this is not the case and this was ordained so that Muslim women can single that they were unavailable or not fair game. This remains the same; The less clothes you wear, the more likely men will approach or harass you. I cannot believe you are going there Ibti... are you saying that the societies where Muslims live in this day women are harassed left and right? This is too easy to debate Ibti because your argument is clearly centers along the lines of "if a woman is raped, then it is her own fault for showing skin, the man is only a human who cannot control his urges"... This was "ordained" as you out it because it was common practice to sexually molest women on the street. Besides, when you tell a person you are not available then they usually just leave. Expressing interest in a woman is not wrong whether or not they have a blanket on them. 1) Whatever your views are of the female Hijab, you can at least refer to it by its correct term. There is no use having a discussion with condescending people. What you refer to as a blanket mockingly I hold in high regards and honestly regard it as blanket from the world 2) I would never make excuses for a rapist, regardless of who the victim was, nor do I make excuses for the actions of men. Nevertheless being reasonable and protecting yourself from risky situations even for non-Muslims is always advised. And since you bring up rape; statistically in the west most rape cases are committed by someone who the women already knew, and yes it is true random rapist often will try to find someone with least clothing or restrictions, looks most venerable and isolated and possible intoxicated (I was once the researcher for government run women's safety Magazine). So I assure you a random rapist is less likely to pick someone with 5layers of clothing and with her mahram (male family members) As for your most people will leave you alone if you saw No; while you may not be physically sexually assaulted on the street, Many women are followed and pestered in both Muslim and Non- Muslim societies. I can testify to that, so yes we are verbally harassed and bothered, and yes the level varies with how dressed up we are (rightly or wrongly) and no acknowledge that is not making excuses for immoral men. By extension, and since there will be no new prophet or revelation, current Muslim women are subject to the same, and the characteristics are expanded on in the hadith (which I believe in) "By extension" you say? and is that fact? if so please furnish me your proof... please. Is what a fact? that there will be no new prophet? YEs. Or that we are subject to the same religion and conditions- Again YES. My dear the Quran makes it IMPOSSIBLE to prove a woman guilty of lewdness, as it requires FOUR reliable witnesses to prove that she actually committed a sin by having illegal sex. And yes if I lived in a sharia compliant society and I WAS or my daughters were guilty, testified by ME or four reliable witness would expect and want the punishment carried out. I am amused at the "impossibility" which you allude to. Tell me, what would stop a group of 4 men of falsely testifying against a woman? I have not words to say to you about your choice of giving your own daughters this severe punishment... I just feel sad for them and for you. Okay feel sad all you want, if it is any comfort the four witness have to be people who are normally known for their honest, and secondly they will need to answer to Allah like the rest of us. I guess I will take comfort in knowing that I or my daughters were punished wrongly and Allah will reward them in the hereafter for their suffering. The reason we have so many problems in our societies is because of this misuse of religion and unfortunately the APPLICATION of the laws of allah unlike the rules themselves are not free from human error. This verse neither permits violence nor condones it, while it uses the term "beating" and only applicable in extreme cases and ONLY if one is sure it would improve the situation, if it only worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then no he can't. Furthermore, the prophet expanded on this as "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark" and not on the face. So if my husband was practising Muslim in all aspects and I was in the wrong, then a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush is the least of my worries. And Yes I have no problem with he man being the head of the Family and in charge of ME and his family, while I was living with my parents/family then it is them who are in charge of me. How does this verse not permit violence? and why are you contradicting yourself by stating that it "does not permit violence" and then say that it's "only applicable in extreme cases". And how does violence improve the situation? Are you out of your mind? Violence never improves situations, it only makes them worse. Also, either you are ignorant of the Arabic language or you have no understanding of the meaning of the word "mubarrih", it does not mean "a light tap", as you try to cushion it but rather that does not leave a mark and do you know what? A lot of internal injuries do not show marks on the body... for example a severe punch to the stomach. I don't want to get into this, but I see no contradiction between the Quran and Hadith (You can also read the story of Prophet Ayoub and his wife with regards to this issue if you are really interested), whether you like it or not is irrelevant and beside the point. And no it does not mean physically harm your wife. The culture at the time was to beat your wife severely, the prophet commented on this in the Hadith which goes something along the lines of "how can one of you beat your wife like you beat a thirsty camel and then sleep with them" I don't have time to look for the source now but will do so later for the exact wording. I suppose that you, Ibtisam, as a person have no problem over your husband towering over you and being the head and commander of the household. I suppose you don't have a problem with having an uneven balance of authority in the home and being happy to stay inside all the time and not want a fair, equal and balanced relationship. But please don't suppose or expect other Muslim women to be as submissive and as unquestioning as you are. Islam is not about ME and WHAT I want or do, regardless of whether I follow or not, the scripture does not change and while Islam does not expect humans to be perfect practising all the time- BUT we must always say it how it is in Islam and not make excuses for that which we do not practising. For example if I don't pray, I should not try to justify or argue that maybe I don't need to, the minimum iman is to say, I don't right now, it is wrong but I intend to do so inshallah. This is the same for all issues, big or small. And this is not about ME, but about Islam. Read the tasfir, you misunderstood, the verse is relation to the husband has to abstain from having sex with his wife during menstrual bleeding not about interacting with your wife. If that's the case then I stand corrected. But this doesn't mean that other "observant" Muslims don't think of the menstrual cycle as a disease that shouldn't be approached with a 10-foot pole. Maybe you are thinking of the Jews who sleep in a different room during their wife menstrual cycle. I noticed you used the word Disease, the Ayah calls it an illness (I noticed you know Arabic, so I can only assume you are purposely trying to change things) In any case, religion is judged by the scripture Not its followers action, otherwise we'll be here all year talking about what different Muslims do. Fine, but it seems your issue is with a lot of things and while I would love to help you out, I don't think the way to getting all your answers is by posting on a forum all the issues you have with Islam. Lastly I cannot debate with you on issues within in Islam without knowing where you are coming from or your objections. From what get of the thread above you are following the lines of accept the quran BUT as relevant to the society and context/ conditions it was revealed under and arguing that things are different NOW, so its applicability is not the same, and Hadith is doubtful. I don’t agree with this and believe that it was revealed for everyone in any time period because Allah was aware that things change and with his wisdom accounted for this. I certainly don’t think our common sense and basic human intelligence can do better. If that is the case Ibti and if what you truly believe is that "Islam must not change with time", then I don't think we should be debating this issue because we'll be going around in circles. I agree. I do believe that Islam as a scripture does not change and application only changes if new issues arise. So okay lets not go in circles. SalamAlikum P.s. CiceroAs I keep telling Johnny I am not going to debate about the meaning of an Ayah or its application with someone WHO does not even believe in the authority of the Quran or its validity or a GOD. Kind of pointless really.

Originally posted by ailamos: [QB] A female Muslim scholar once said “protecting women from change by veiling them and shutting them out of the world has echoes of closing the community to protect it from the West.” Speaking of considering the historical context, I believe you are referring to Fatima Mernissi, who is not an Islamic scholar as you claim BUT a feminist writer and sociologist. (I like some of her work.) The word hijab in essence has a double meaning. The much quoted verse 33:53 was revealed in the 5th year of the Hijra because of the Prophet's concern for his own privacy and the privacy of his wives (particularly Zainab bint Jahsh) from the then visitor Anas ibn Malik. I think there is no need for outlandish interpretations that it means a hijab over the body. I think you are confused brother, the ayah you refer to is: "O you who believe! Do not go into the Prophet's rooms except after being given permission to come and eat, not waiting for the food to be prepared, However, when you are called, then go in and when you have eaten, then disperse, and do not remain wanting to chat together. If you do that, it causes injury to the Prophet though he is too reticent to tell you. But Allah is not reticent with the truth. When you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a screen (33-53) Notice I did not quote that Ayah above for Lazyie- so I don't get what you are asking me, nor is your argument by extension about covering correct, since you picked on the wrong Ayah. About verse 24:31, let me just say that in this day and age women cover their bosoms anyway, whether it's with a sweater or a shirt or a blouse. So, there is no need to over-emphasize it by adding a thick garment on top. That verse was revealed in order to make the believing women at the time of Prophet cover their bosoms, and I think there is no need for it since we don't see bare-breasted women walking around. 1) It does what matter what you cover your bosoms with so long as it covers. 2) I don't believe you don't see cleavage all day every day. It amazes me that you take the words of the Quran literally without analyzing the historical reasons of the verses. Verse 33:59 was revealed at a time when the Prophet was having problems with the people of Medina. These people (obviously men) had a habit (or tradition) of harassing slave-girls in Medina... even when some slave-girls had converted to Islam they continued to be molested along with other women including the wives of the Prophet. So, it was imperative at that time to protect the wives of the Prophet and the believing women from these acts. That is true, but what is your point, while it would be nice if society contained men who did not molest or harass women, clearly this is not the case and this was ordained so that Muslim women can single that they were unavailable or not fair game. This remains the same; The less clothes you wear, the more likely men will approach or harass you. In conclusion, the Muslim women of that time were ordered to wear such clothing in order to be distinguishable as believing women. Additionally, the type or form of clothing is not mentioned in the verse. By extension, and since there will be no new prophet or revelation, current Muslim women are subject to the same, and the characteristics are expanded on in the hadith (which I believe in) But hang on... since you're an ardent, unquestioning follower of what the Quran says, what do you think of this verse: "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way." 4:16 Would you kill your daughters because of such lewdness, a word that can have multiple interpretations and which I think why in some Muslim societies husbands, fathers and sons kill women. My dear the Quran makes it IMPOSSIBLE to prove a woman guilty of lewdness, as it requires FOUR reliable witnesses to prove that she actually committed a sin by having illegal sex. And yes if I lived in a sharia compliant society and I WAS or my daughters were guilty, testified by ME or four reliable witness would expect and want the punishment carried out. "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." 4:34 Would you allow your husband to beat you should you disobey or disagree with him? You must since it's in the Quran no? And because it says in the Quran that he is in charge of you? This verse neither permits violence nor condones it, while it uses the term "beating" and only applicable in extreme cases and ONLY if one is sure it would improve the situation, if it only worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then no he can't. Furthermore, the prophet expanded on this as "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark" and not on the face. So if my husband was practising Muslim in all aspects and I was in the wrong, then a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush is the least of my worries. And Yes I have no problem with he man being the head of the Family and in charge of ME and his family, while I was living with my parents/family then it is them who are in charge of me. They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.” 2:222 But the above verse somewhat contradicts what one of the Prophet's wives, Maymuna, had said “it happened that the Prophet recited the Quran with his head on the knee of one of us while she was having her period. It also happened that one of us brought his prayer rug to the mosque and laid it down while she was having her period”. Read the tasfir, you misunderstood, the verse is relation to the husband has to abstain from having sex with his wife during menstrual bleeding not about interacting with your wife. I have many more sources and quotes so I will be awaiting your explanations. Fine, but it seems your issue is with a lot of things and while I would love to help you out, I don't think the way to getting all your answers is by posting on a forum all the issues you have with Islam. Lastly I cannot debate with you on issues within in Islam without knowing where you are coming from or your objections. From what get of the thread above you are following the lines of accept the quran BUT as relevant to the society and context/ conditions it was revealed under and arguing that things are different NOW, so its applicability is not the same, and Hadith is doubtful. I don’t agree with this and believe that it was revealed for everyone in any time period because Allah was aware that things change and with his wisdom accounted for this. I certainly don’t think our common sense and basic human intelligence can do better.

errr yes, and so is Faheema and so is Elyisa and few others. I took a break for Asr prayer and checked on you here

CL; We are busy baking our cakes dhee- can't bake and troll- that is hard work! 5 lol, been there, done that already.

^^^Well if the farah in a Masri prison was kind and loving to her and she truly missed him I'm sure she would. But then all the Somalis would say "maxay nika iskag dadejiinsa, they are going home together". IF he was an i*doit, she might be a little sad he is out and so fast too.

I don't have a link, what do you think I carry it just in case Loool @ Online asbaaro