Ibtisam

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  1. Originally posted by Tuujiye: looooooool@ Ibtisam quote: Tuujiye as usual waad iska haadsha, I do not think you realise how serious it is to call someone a gaal. Maxa ka shaan iyo tooban aah what he is in any case? Why are you stuck on this? Adigu ha ku gaalobin, and I say this as someone who knows better than YOU. You are following this nomad around, insulting and calling them names. This is a free forum for all who stay in line with its rules, no one made you the police. If you want to talk about Islam and who is Islamic, you can scrutinised your own actions, for even in this forum you have written things that would make some Muslims turn blue- just look at your cantrabaqash and ill conduct on this forum and tell me that is a model behaviour for a Muslim. so ibtisam, you need some Tuujiye med I see... so I make muslims turn blue? or I make your boring self blue and even more sad than you are... I don't run around act like I know the religion because I don't as much as some people in here but I make more sense than you and this Gaal guy... I might joke around (some thing your missing in life) but when it comes to faith, I don't argue un like you and I hate does that argue about it and question everything about the faith specialy when they non believers. I think Ailamos is very smart and wise but the way he questions my faith is very munaafiq nimo when he knows the answers and thats why I argue with him.. no wonder why Layzie was on your case lol... please don't start with me and run to the mods as you always do...I didn't break any rules so nice try too... I been here longer than you young one and don't think anyone will agree to your B.S waraada, Khat is what killed our nation and truely believe is wrong....laakiin hada umada somaliya joogto daawo ayuuba u yahay maxaa yeelay hadii laga joojiyo bee waalan doonaan ... Wareer Badanaa!!! 1) I think I understand now that because YOU dont understand your own faith and what you believe in, you fear what questions others may ask and hide behind young people or women will be mislead. 2) You lack of understanding about Islam or what it is to BE a Muslim shows in all of your responses- so please don’t claim to be representing Islam, just say I like being a saqanjan. 3)Lazy who you defend and even here bring up and Aliamos are on the same page, both have issues and things about Islam they want to discuss, how strange that one you shadow and follow around like a cuung who lost his mother and the other you defend? Is it because that your objection is not in fact based on religion? 4) The sad thing is that you think NOT knowing the deen and walking around in ignorance is bliss and something to boast about. :confused: Maybe if you made an effort to learn, know and understands then you wont fear other humans who have different view to you. If you argued with Aliamos it would be a breath of fresh air, but you are just being foolish and making a mockery of Islam and Muslims as result. What does Islam have to fear from a human, regardless of how smart you think this nomad is? Uff caleky, let it go.
  2. …..If I was a poet, I would find the words, If I was a poet, I could express the feelings, If I was a poet, I may have succeed And told you my tale; I would explain the stares, the bulging eyes, that peel my skin back, till I shrink back, Still I can’t hide. Maybe one day, the bulging eyes Would see right through? The skin will drop off And I will disappear. There you will see, my shadow walking: Without my skin! You stared it off, till it dropped off, And now I’m walking, a walking shadow. But you keep staring, your x-ray vision exposing my shadow…
  3. Adam no sure really, guess you have fans, so please tell your fans I had nothing to do with anything. I am peace loving, drama free sprit, who only cracks jokes in public with other nomads. Maybe they thought you was really having our baby or something. :eek: Paragon, I'm sure it did
  4. ^^^Lool^ trust you to pick up on that!! Adam not really into drama, so wont get into names, I just wanted to check that there was no hint of truth in their angry rants. Good to know I had no role in whatever it is.
  5. Tuujiye as usual waad iska haadsha, I do not think you realise how serious it is to call someone a gaal. Maxa ka shaan iyo tooban aah what he is in any case? Why are you stuck on this? Adigu ha ku gaalobin, and I say this as someone who knows better than YOU. You are following this nomad around, insulting and calling them names. This is a free forum for all who stay in line with its rules, no one made you the police. If you want to talk about Islam and who is Islamic, you can scrutinised your own actions, for even in this forum you have written things that would make some Muslims turn blue- just look at your cantrabaqash and ill conduct on this forum and tell me that is a model behaviour for a Muslim. As for the topic, Khad is like alcohol.
  6. Mr. Prince what on earth :eek: :eek: btw way Adam while I was away I recieved a strange message from one of the nomads, apparently I did something to you or something and as a result you are hating on Somali girls :confused: I said I'm not aware of it but maybe my evil twin did something? C&H dont get too worked up about it, the guy I think was talking the pi*ss!!.
  7. ^^^Where/ which country is Khat allowed and other intoxicants banned? Somalia and Yemen think it is barris and nothing else is banned there.
  8. ^^^Late 40s is not that old dear, waa young ladies ee be nice and make peace, axsaan uu sameh
  9. Nunne hanuun works in strange ways, sometimes those who you think need it least need it the most. But as long as we all get a share eh.
  10. ^^^He likes to fight a certain corner even if there is no need ee iska daa. Ngonge: Hehehe if you say so, I'm just saying miciya aya uu so baaxa if the someone happens to be poor and powerless compared to another with bigger interst.
  11. ^^^Loooool lool Nuune ka joog hee
  12. OH, dear Aliamos you will not win this one.
  13. Gangiigist shid, yaa adimaad ka jejebey?? Also how does break dancing fit into culture?? Miis wa art intaalka? Err Well done I guess? Musuqmasaq baad waada in Hargisa!!
  14. ^^Best position, they are busy eating each other that they forget about you all together, you get a free ride. Dont want to leave my bed,
  15. Karl Polish people aint allowed to vote
  16. ^^^Maybe not key members but people who hold the surname. You do know there are almost thousands who all claim to be from the family?? I know for a FACT qaar loo didiey entry visa. Ka sheekey, they have no such punishment or bargaining chip with none AfricNS.
  17. I will hold my peace with regards to err what do I call this?? semi article.
  18. Somali people in Britain have escaped war to endure exile. Now, they face a new challenge: while the women explore their independence, the men hold fast to their idea of Islamic tradition. She dresses like Carol Vorderman, idolises Oprah Winfrey and, although she grew up in a male-dominated society where a man’s word is law, she likes to be seen as a feminist. Following the collapse of her four-year marriage, Amina Shakur lives in temporary accommodation in west London with her two young children, Maymuun, five, and Mustaf, three. After a nightmare year in Russia, Finland and Norway, the 29-year-old refugee from Somalia arrived in the United Kingdom, her preferred destination, on March 1996. The main reason for her coming to the UK was to marry her long-term sweetheart, Mohamed Ali, who had arrived five months earlier. A sumptuous Western-style Somali wedding in London On 7 April 1996, four weeks after landing in the UK, they married in a small, colourful ceremony at which guests, friends and relatives were entertained by dancers and musicians. ‘We were both enthusiastic about the prospect of building a family,’ recalls Shakur. The future looked bright. They knew each other intimately, although the relationship between Muslims precludes sex before marriage. For Shakur was marrying a man she had met at high school, when she was 16 years old. She was in Form Three and he was in Form Four at the 21 October Secondary School in Somalia, named after the day dictator Mohamed Siyad Barre took power in 1969. When Barre was toppled in January 1991, Shakur and Ali fled the country. They separated, and their only point of contact was through Shakur’s sister in London. They used to call her in order to keep in touch with each other. So marrying in London was special for Shakur and Ali. They were joining an estimated 100,000 Somalis living in the UK. Things fall apart It was after the birth of their first child that Shakur started feeling that things were not going according to plan, though Ali had no idea that anything was wrong. She admits that she had always wanted to rear her family in the European way. Like most Somali women in the UK, Shakur’s name is registered for state benefit and housing allowance. She wanted to study, to work if possible, to socialise and join in with the new culture. Ali, a devoutly religious man, felt differently. Like most other Somali men, he firmly believed that women should remain at home, provide meals and raise the children. By July 2000, their relationship was damaged irreparably. After an argument over sharing the housework – a major point of contention between husbands and wives of the diaspora – Ali allegedly hit Shakur in the face. It was the third time he had physically assaulted her, and she wasted no time in dialling an emergency number. Like many other Somali families with troubled relationships, divorce became the only solution. On the Christmas night of the same year, Ali officially pronounced the third and final procedure in Islamic law and divorced Shakur. Somali marriage breakdowns first became frequent in the early 1990s when thousands of Somalis fled the civil strife and political upheaval in their country. Back in Somalia, the commitment to marriage was so strong that divorce was practically unheard of. But migrants to Europe found that the new culture meant that they faced rigorous challenges. Marriage became less valuable. In a survey conducted for this article, 78 Somalis of different sexes and ages, both married and single, were asked to give their views on the main causes of marriage breakdowns within the UK’s Somali community. Family counselling for the Somali community in London The new culture was not supportive of traditional marriage customs, the interviewees felt. External cultural influences were the main reason given for marriage break-ups (76%). The rest of the interviewees (34%) blamed the economic independence of the diaspora women. 28% blamed khat, a green narcotic leaf widely chewed by the Somalis. Khat was illegal in Somalia from 1983 until 1991 when the regime that banned it was overthrown. In the UK, where it can be purchased legally, it is widely believed that the substance causes financial hardship and sexual impotence. Interestingly, nearly half (46%) said Somali marriages in the diaspora were simply not strongly rooted in a committed relationship. When asked what the most common reasons for getting married were, 53% considered love as the starting point, while a staggering 44% said that Somalis in the diaspora married for financial reasons. As to who was to blame, women or men, interviewees split on gender lines: 70% of the women blamed men’s failure to adapt to the new environment; 74% of the men blamed either the host culture, or the women for adapting to it. Women’s financial independence ‘This does not mean everybody is forgetting our history,’ insists Ahmed Mohamed Wasuge, a linguistics professor from the former Somali Faculty of Languages, who is now a refugee in London. But he admits that the situation is worrying. He has been trying to mediate between troubled Somali couples. ‘Of the twenty families I have intervened in, only nine are still married.’ He sees the root of the problem as lying in the fact that Somali women are refusing to respect their tradition and religion. ‘A man feels guilty when he cannot pay the bill, and our women see this as a victory over men.’ He himself is married for the fourth time, and has six children. In his report on Somali refugees in London, Dr Anthony Olden, of London’s Thames Valley University, agrees that the balance of power between husbands and wives within Somali families of the diaspora has changed. ‘Women find that they now control the family finances because social welfare payments are channelled through them. This alters the relationship between them and their partners, particularly if the man is out of work,’ he concludes in his report. But according to Professor Wasuge, the largest source of income in contention between spouses falls outside the welfare system. Most Somali women living in Europe benefit from an interest-free loan system. Shalongo, as it is known in Somali, involves large sums of money, managed centrally, which circulate within a fixed number of women. The Shalongo can raise between £5,000 and £12,000 annually for a woman who needs it – depending on how much is invested. This sum has to be repaid in instalments over an agreed period of no less than a year. Women and children account for the highest number of Somalis who migrate to the UK. Men often opt to stay, either to look after properties left behind, or to fight along side their clansmen, politically or militarily. Many such women either divorce their husbands immediately on arrival, in order to start a new life, or do so a few years later, when their applications for family reunion are turned down. Towards a European way? Qali Farayare is a mother of seven who divorced the father of six of her children in 1995 when he failed to join them in London. A year later, she married the father of her seventh child but split up after just eight months.The reason she gives for the break-up with her second husband exemplifies the way in which the host culture brings its influence to bear on a couple. ‘He refused to contribute to housework and the family income and was not the most wonderful person,’ Farayare claims. He also had a weakness for khat. ‘He chewed with other people and came home to sleep,’ she remarks. ‘He never spent time with me…a lot of single mothers would agree with me.’ Farayare admits that external influences played a part in the deterioration of the relationship. ‘Men should learn how to cook, do the laundry and change the nappies,’ she says with a chuckle. Back home, Somali men would never have been required to share in the housework. Fellow single mother Shakur agrees with Farayare: Somali men should accept the European way of life. ‘This is a husband and wife meeting their family duties,’ she says. ‘Men should cook, wash the dishes, and do the ironing if the wife seems to be busy on something else. This is nothing to be ashamed of.’ Shakur does not accept that the effect of the move to a new culture has pushed Somali men to the wall. ‘Somali men are known to rate themselves very highly and are mentally robust,’ she says. ‘They are using religion as a scapegoat when they say that women are abandoning Islam. This is the way this country is, and we should adapt to it,’ she concludes. Ali disagrees with his ex-wife. Living with a woman is a tricky business these days, he thinks. ‘Most of them deviate from Islam, they abandon the Islamic doctrine – that is the stumbling block to every Somali family in Europe,’ he complains. ‘They feel in control, become westernised and are now sitting on us…they want the situation to remain like that.’ He himself comes from a deeply religious family. He has been raised to expect a hierarchy of respect within a family structure where everyone knows their role. ‘Don’t think I am a dictator. The Somali men in the diaspora make some mistakes. But I also think women constrain them to do so. Women always look for weaknesses in men.’ Western media role models The truth of Ali’s claim is borne out by women such as Shakur, who exemplifies the so-called ‘westernised woman’. She idolises Oprah Winfrey and the way her talk shows address women’s issues. ‘You can call me a feminist,’ she said. A glance at her video cassette collection reveals that she also admires movies that possess a taste for love, romance and feminism. One example is Madonna's Innocence Lost – an intimate, rags to riches story, which testifies to the way in which sheer ambition can lift a charismatic woman to the pinnacle of the entertainment industry. The other movie, Sliver, involves a women (Sharon Stone) looking for excitement in her life after ending an unhappy marriage. So does Shakur plan to remarry? ‘Any woman who wants to marry must learn enough about the man before getting hooked up. This is Europe and there is plenty of time. She can go out with him and give it a try. She can even ‘tempt him unlawfully’. ‘Women should avoid marrying men for money and looks. What is important is his intelligence and his behaviour in the family,’ she says. ‘As to whether I will marry again…no comment! But of course I need a man.’ About the author Harun Hassan worked for Associated Press and the BBC in Somalia. He currently works as a freelancer. Source: http://www.opendemocracy.net/people-africa_democracy/article_692.jsp
  19. ^^^^loool North I need to find a Nigerian friend (possible one of the few I met in India) who can make any document for you, visa, university certificates, passport and start a business. Make money from this eh.
  20. ^^^Yeah I know, time to dust off the old Somali passport. All those Sujui somalis will now say no, aslinen ana Somali
  21. ^They can only do that with poor African countries, the US and Europe hold members for days with no such revenge.
  22. Loool @ your Somali!! YEs they forget that their own big brother is always watching and hearing/ seeing.
  23. I want to laugh at this, but I know it has affected many normal Somali and Kenyans who go to Dubia for Business. Damn Arabs.
  24. Queen if their marriage is based on malayacin then yes waan ku troll practise. Malika lol, sorry to hear so, I missed normality walahi. Upside down uusgag taytaey aha baan uu galey.