NNc, grow up, it is a public thread, he can post billion pictures of al Shabaab, after all AL shabaab is part of todays reality and SHOULD concern us more than the long gone SYL. If you dont want your position question or other views posted then don't make it public on here because you have no control over how or what people respond with. I can't believe I am explaining the basic of foruming to you.

^^The thread is not Ciyaal, adiga aya ciyaal aha, quite crying and bitc*hing. so people have a differen view, oye or bacthan dilac if you wish.

^^^Adigu maxaad shaqo uu yeeland weydi, wax ku qabata ayaad weyd. SYL ciidna kama xiigitid and by the looks of it you are closer to the ones you call the shitan than SYL. Are you crying because qoof ba ruunta ku sheegy? JB was not making a joke, was stating the obvious truth and although I don’t think this is the right thread to point it out, nevertheless it is the truth (sad or otherwise). If you don't like sour taste don't get into Somali issues. What is with the double standard on this forum? there are people on the May 18th Thread venting and people just ignore them and carry on with their business or if they respond do so in good nature, but suddenly things that have no Somalia/ Somaliland divide ba a little bad manner youth oodanya mind your business. When you are ciyaal, you dont know your emotions, meel faadiso until you can handle your own tears and angry. Geel ma laga dacey? :cool:

^^I so agree, I would be on the last flight out before the ban to less petty country.

^^Oh please, spare me the drama; You seem to think the burqa is more tolerated or liked and that they have a problem with just the niqab. European countries can tell the difference you say (what does that even mean?) but the public cannot and to them a Muslim is a Muslim, regardless of whether she is in tight jeans and a tiny headcover or a jalbiya or Burqa, it is the other community. The people who CAN tell the difference don't care, nor have reason to fear or buy into these random legislations.

^^^You are hardly going to see a niqabi in mini dress :confused: Chance is she is also wearing a Burqa. These are just terms it makes no difference if they ban niqab, burqa, dresses, headscraf.... It will affect the same community.

A 60-year-old lawyer ripped a Muslim woman's Islamic veil off in a row in a clothing shop in what police say is France's first case of "burka rage". The astonishing scene unfolded during a weekend shopping trip after the woman lawyer took offence at the attire of a fellow shopper resulting in argument during which the pair came to blows before being arrested. It came as racial tensions grow in the country as it prepares to introduce a total ban on burkas and other forms of religious dress which cover the face. Future of Belgium under threat A 26-year-old Muslim convert was walking through the store in Trignac, near Nantes, in the western Loire-Atlantique region, when she overhead the woman lawyer making "snide remarks about her black burka". A police officer close to the case said: "The lawyer said she was not happy seeing a fellow shopper wearing a veil and wanted the ban introduced as soon as possible." At one point the lawyer, who was out with her daughter, is said to have likened the Muslim woman to Belphegor, a horror demon character well known to French TV viewers. Belphegor is said to haunt the Louvre museum in Paris and frequently covers up his hideous features using a mask. An argument started before the older woman is said to have ripped the other woman's veil off. As they came to blows, the lawyer's daughter joined in. "The shop manager and the husband of the Muslim woman moved to break up the fighting," the officer said. All three were arrested and taken to the local gendarmerie for questioning. A spokesman for Trignac police said that two complaints had been received, with the Muslim woman accusing the lawyer of racial and religious assault. The latter, in turn, had accused her opponent of common assault. The French parliament has adopted a formal motion declaring burkas and other forms of Islamic dress to be "an affront to the nation's values." Some have accused criminals, from terrorists to shoplifters, of wearing veils to disguise themselves. A ban, which could be introduced as early as the autumn, would make France the second country after Belgium to outlaw the Islamic veil in public places. But many have criticised the anti-burka lobby, which includes the French President Nicolas Sarkozy, for stigmatising Muslim housewives. Many French woman from council estates are forced to wear the veils because of pressure from authoritarian husbands. The promise of a ban has prompted warnings of racial tensions in a country which is home to some five million Muslims – one of the religion's largest communities in Europe. Mr Sarkozy's cabinet is to examine a draft bill which will impose one-year prison sentences and fines of up to £14,000 on men who force their wives to wear a burka. Women themselves will face a smaller fine of just over £100 because they are "often victims with no choice in the matter", says the draft. The law would create a new offence of "incitement to cover the face for reasons of gender". And it would state: "No one may wear in public places clothes that are aimed at hiding the face." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7735607/France-has-first-burka-rage-incident .html

^^Faheema can't do that, she will suffer in slience, but her looks kill

^^^Use my status, chew razor and eat lemon kind of feeling? You need anger managment yarrey!

^^^No, I want you to come and bring all your rich Arab friends. (dont bring the ones from the marfash please.) Oh and your brother *ducks* Or you and the Mrs can make a date out of it

^We are collecting for Orphans education. Nothing to do with the 18th though, in fact wa June, 5th, you got the invite right?

^^No I mean Somali. You do know Slander are still Somalis right?? You lot just get to keep the Somalia, not Somali- that is copyright to all big foreheaded peeps

I feel very Somali, I wore socks with wedges this morning. I was tired and sleepy, late and did not plan to wear wedges, just saw the sun when I opened the door and changed from my boots. I got on the train and then looked down at my feet/ socks :eek: such Xalimo

^^^Lool, I only get work related PMs iyo few igu khaladma and as soon as I point out that wii so luumin they run off. Mainly I get abusive one's

Happy May 18th to all the Landers on this forum; Peace, progress iyo camfimad. X

shid, that message is so qaraxis, I have so many people in my ignore list!! LSK, you cannot qarxiis people like that, that is not diplomatic

Adam, good to hear all is well. this poem is sad and creepy dhee Nuune @ Loool keen anaa jinkiis cuudinayee1 you really are something you know!!! I dont get it, you are confusing me, is this jiin related- like you are saying we have the same jiin :eek: so not cool

^^Yeah his sprit went to India with me, and now having a break down on my behalf :rolleyes: Ngonge: Wax Waalan!! Nuune iyo qardhaso wa kuwa wax waalya anyway. Keep them away, wa qurafaad. Juxa I swear I did not do anything and it was not me. Don’t believe the crazy rumours. :eek: Nuune Ya? Are you seeing scripts everywhere since Marx? and what do you mean WAS? has the account now been abducted?

Howdy people, Adam poem depressed me Someone tell me soemthing cheerful

What happened to my prince? Oh Adam, my dearest Adam, what happened to you. Adam, ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun from the beast, it is evil :eek: I hate when people say this to me, but it makes sense, what does not kill you will only make you stronger (or bitter) so keep going and dont follow the masses. Light at the end of the loooooooong tunnel, dont look back and run for your life- towards the bright beauty of light.

Egypt's peaceful Muslims are being denied religious freedoms as the influence of conservative Salafism grows. Whenever religious freedom is discussed in Egypt, the topic inevitably turns to the status of the Christian Copts. Thousands of articles have been written about Egypt's Copts and how they are denied their religious freedoms, but it almost never occurs to anyone that even Sunni Muslims are being deprived of their basic rights to religious freedom and worship. That is exactly what happened at the end of last month when the ministry of awqaf (religious endowments) decided to ban Egypt's Sufi orders from holding gatherings for the performance of dhikr – rituals devoted to the remembrance of God. Sufis have been performing these rituals for centuries, so a ban at this particular time is absurd. The ministry's excuse is that the ban is intended to pre-empt undesirable behaviour at Sufi gatherings, such as the shouting of invocations and late-night loitering in mosques.[/b In a city such as Cairo where the noise of traffic is a constant background, it just doesn't make sense. Clashes took place at Cairo's al-Husayn and al-Sayyida Zeinab mosques between members of Sufi orders and security forces who forced them to evacuate the two shrines. A simple definition of Sufism is in order. Imam al-Ghazali says of the Sufis: The aim of their knowledge is to lop off the obstacles present in the soul and to rid oneself of its reprehensible habits and vicious qualities in order to attain thereby a heart empty of all save God and adorned with the constant remembrance of God. The Sufis are moderate, tolerant, peace-loving and highly spiritual Muslims, light years away from the violent image of Islam projected to western audiences. They believe God must be at the forefront of one's thoughts at all times. The dhikr rituals, which include dancing and religious songs, are aimed at nothing more than the remembrance of God. Why the government would want to ban a practice so peaceful and harmless is incomprehensible. In Egypt, Sufism is more institutionalised than anywhere else. There are 74 Sufi orders in Egypt, each headed by its own Sufi sheikh. At the top there is a Supreme Council for Sufi Orders and the president is directly in charge of Sufi affairs. Some Sufi orders were founded over 700 years ago. Their founders' shrines are present in mosques, and millions of Muslims travel to them every year to celebrate the birthdays (moulids) of the Sufi sheikhs and gain their blessings. Perhaps the spirituality of Sufism has been neglected by some in recent times, but the dhikr ceremonies and moulids have been cultural practices for centuries and are a part of Egypt's heritage. The moulids last for several days and are occasions for happiness, festivities, remembrance of God, income for the poor and fun for children. The recent ban is another victory for extreme Salafi thinking at the expense of Egypt's moderate Sufism. Salafism, imported into Egypt from Saudi Arabia and publicised around the world thanks to petrodollars, is the enemy of anything moderate and tolerant. The Salafis believe that the only true path is to follow the practices of the early generations of Muslims – literally. Salafi thinking, which has gradually occupied Egyptian thought over the past three decades, puts enormous emphasis on external appearance rather than the inner spirit. They grow their beards just as the first Muslims did and trim their trousers so that the hems hang well above the ankles (or just wear a short jilbab) and their women usually wear the niqab. They believe that anything that deviates from their strictly literal interpretations of Islam is bida'a (innovation) and thus a gateway to hell. Although most Egyptians do not identify themselves as Salafis, their thinking has been greatly influenced by Salafism, especially the younger generation. Much effort is expended in public displays of religiosity such as beards, prayer beads, prayer calluses and women's clothing, while the spiritual aspect of religion and the proper ethics Muslims should adhere to take a back seat. Salafis have been fighting Sufis for ages. They accuse them of polytheism and unbelief for revering the Sufi sheikhs and building mosques at their shrines. The recent dhikr ban is not the first victory for Salafi thought over moderate Sufism. They regularly call for the banning of all moulids and dhikr ceremonies, and succeeded in this respect last year when the moulid of al-Sayyida Zeinab, the prophet's Muhammad's granddaughter, was banned. The excuse used by the government back then was swine flu. The crowds at the moulid bothered them, but the crowds on Cairo's metros and buses didn't seem to be a problem. Salafis regularly bash Sufism as un-Islamic and their rituals as unbelief and infidelity. They also accuse them of encouraging sin and debauchery because mixing of the sexes takes place at the shrines and during the moulids. Indeed, the mosque of al-Sayyid Ahmed al-Badawi in Tanta, where the founder of the Ahmadiya Sufi order is buried, does not enforce any strict segregation between men and women. Both sexes can be seen together inside the mosque and the only separation takes place during prayer, when women stand behind the men. Such mixing of the sexes is seen as pure evil by the Salafis, and unacceptable by many Egyptians. Thanks to the Salafis, Islam has been given a bad name all over the world. As if that's not enough, the invasion of Egypt by Salafi thought has resulted in the stagnation of Islam and pulled the minds many of Egyptian Muslims back in time. What's more is that the intolerance of Salafism has worsened Muslim-Coptic relations in the past few decades. And to top all that, now even Egypt's peaceful Muslims are being denied religious freedom in their own country. Baher Ibrahim guardian.co.uk,

Measures to further restrict the freedoms of women are being taken by conservatives who see them as temptresses The other day, my wife related how one of the office "boys" at the NGO where she worked in Cairo had been alone in the building with a female cleaner. In itself, it shouldn't been an issue, but when the office's accountant confronted the office boy (who is actually a middle-aged Egyptian), he stated that this was unacceptable. The reason: the woman could have tried to seduce him. In the Saudi city of Asir, women were recently banned from jogging and taking physical exercise in certain areas. The excuse was that the local government had to "guarantee their safety from criminals who frequently harass them as they walk in lonely places". There are many examples of women being "protected" from men in the Middle East. One would think that the rise of ultra-conservatism, namely the Salafi project emanating from Saudi Arabia, would be more tolerant of Islam's historical support for women's rights and their mobility in public – think of the era of the prophet and the openness of that society. The prophet was adamant that all people were welcome in Medina and that women were to be treated with the utmost respect. At the time, unlike today, there was no sexual apartheid in the mosque, with men and women praying together in a show of unity. Now, what we are witnessing is the rise of a movement that is as vehemently anti-women as it is anti-progress. "Whenever the conservatives enter a society they don't talk politics or economics, they talk of the honour of women", said Hibaaq Osman, the founder and chair of the women's organisation El Karama. She argues, rightly, that what is important to these conservatives – and she is quick to point out this is not a problem limited to Islam – is that women are the key to society. She added that in all societies, women are the building blocks of forward thinking. She believes that once women have shaken off the need for a male guardian and have entered the workforce, then freedoms and laws against sexual violence can be implemented for the betterment and progress of society. But, she added: "If the woman is being portrayed as the devil in Friday sermons in the mosque, then in public people are looking for confirmation of what they are hearing." At the same time many Salafis and conservatives put the blame on society going awry; men are unable to take responsibility for their own actions. Osman says that evidence shows conservative religious folk the world over, including the Middle East, are the most sex-crazed. This is shown by the large number of "temporary", urfi and mutah marriages. Urfi marriages have no formal contract, while mutah marriages have a defined period of "marriage". Often, this amounts to a form of prostitution where women are "purchased" for a period of time, from their families or pimps, to provide sex for wealthy gulf Arabs, who at the same time push an agenda that attempts to move women away from the public sphere and back into the home. All in the name of honour and moral uprightness. Men are not the problem, they argue. It is the inherent inability of men to "control" themselves in the face of so much "temptation". It is OK for men to wear cut-off T-shirts and shorts, but for a woman to do so would be tantamount to "asking for it". If conservatives believe men are inherently "weak" in terms of sex, then why do the men remain in public if they can't handle it? It doesn't add up. Women are objects in many conservatives' views. Things that can be owned and used for a man's pleasure when he desires and when he wants. This is why we have seen the growth of polygamy, the shoving aside of a woman's ability to choose her life's goals, and the unending "debate" over the causes of sexual harassment and sexual assault. Two years ago, one woman in Egypt attempted to challenge the belief that men would not be held responsible for their actions against women. When Noha Rushdi went to the police to press charges against a man who had groped her on the street, the police and bystanders, including women, attempted to talk her out of it. They asked what she was wearing, if she had been doing anything suggestive to "entice the man". Rushdi, after numerous attempts to silence her, took her case to court and eventually won, seeing the perpetrator receive a $900 fine and three years in prison. Optimism abounded that times were changing, but in the two years since her case, little has improved. The Salafi grip on Egyptian society seems to be growing ever stronger, and with it the continued backlash against women who attempt to promote freedom and justice. Cairo-based Sheikh Ramadan Mahmoud told me that if women were to get the "freedoms" of the west, "they would resort to promiscuity and this would damage the family and society. This cannot happen because men would not be able to control their behaviour and harassment and sexual abuse would continue." Highlighting how deep the conservatism of Egyptian society has become, a recent United Nations study showed that the vast majority of men and women in Egypt believe that it is OK for a man to beat his wife if she refuses to have sex with him, if she does not do as he says or if she talks to a man on the street. They are simply objects that can be controlled and dominated. All in the name of faith and religion. What should be happening is that women should not be blamed for what they wear, whether it is a full niqab or a bikini. There is no justification for harassment of any kind. By sexualising faith, the Salafis are trying to exonerate men. The fault lies with the women, who are presumed to be asking to be harassed, groped or worse. But men are the ones perpetrating these crimes and making the streets unsafe, so it is about time men started taking action to end this reprehensible current continuing to foment in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia and across the globe. Joseph Mayton guardian.co.uk, Saturday 8 May

Can't be an anniversary if they organisation does not exist no more :confused: They should do a remembrance day for them instead (well when there are less pressing/ urgent problems for Somalis.) Someone should start recording from the few living members and catch history before it is taken to the gave (Are there any still living?, they must be old)

Loool @ mean messages, I'd rather you get them than me, so we both keep name then. suits me fine, until you start getting ones that are worthy getting

^^BUT you have two names, use your other shaati, that one is your real name anyway, maxaad nugu hisata? Lool @ avoid your kind of ppl, haye, sheekaday miya keentey.