Malika, 3days :eek: :eek: Faheema, would you believe I have coffee mix at home since sunday but yet to open it, I only remember when I am at work SalamAlikum all. Howdy Zu, feeling a bit lonely are u?

Originally posted by Safa: [QB] quote: Posted by Ibtisam: Aliya are you serious?? Ma ka daba siidano (Put aside whatever debate you are having with the other dude, I support people to make their own choice) But what I am picking up on is what you said above in the quote. Is it not too soon to re-write history? or have you not done any reading on Somalia 1975-1990s? I would be interested to read how you came to the conclusion that people in Somalia, especially in the North, had everything. It is funny how you chose to pick only my comments. And, chose to not address sacad ducale’s comments and his hatred comments to the people of SSC, to an extent he calls them Kashmir and advocated for it to be burned. But, my comment was exactly reflecting the truth that was taking place at the time. There was a government, good education and good health care system. There was also peace from south to north at the time when snm was created at 1981 compare to today where there is tribal civil war both in North and south Somalia. Cuqdada iska saar Aaliya, I picked up on your comment because it caught my eye, I didn't read this guy aad iss hiisantan because madax igu xaanuna, he is always venting random things in most threads. If you want to argue with him that is your call, but anigu I don't fight with people who thinks they are part of ongoing conflicts in Somali soil while in the west. (that includes you and your "we have men to fight back" Daadkan aad isku tirsdid will end up losing their life, and it won't cost you nothing, so I guess it is easy for you to advocate for war) As for your other comment, without going into details about Somalia, walahi you sound ignorant and worse belittling the suffering of so many somalis (and before you say so, these people I speak of were not Isa*aq nor my relatives, but they were Somali) The Somali government was systematic in its abuse, maybe your family were fine, maybe you had access to education, health iyo waxad sheegety, but the majority of Somalis did not and on top of that were oppressed. Baal adigu pick up a book, any book on Somalia and do some general reading about when the Somali government started falling part. The SNM and other similar organisations just kicked a hollow ship over. At the end of the day you said you respect the choice of the people. People of the SSC want nothing to do with Somaliland just like Somaliland wants to do nothing with Somalia. I don't have a role in either one, so to be honest you are preaching to the wrong person. No one cares what I think, nor do I live in SL/ Somalia, so I don't have to make a choice. Posted by ibtisam: To the Somaliland supporters: IS the Buuhodle attack by the Ethiopians an invasion of your "border" and national security/ interest. Why would you not defend against the Ethiopian aggression? Ethiopia and Somaliland jointly attacked Buuhodle/widhwidh at the same time if you were following the news. People of buuhodle want nothing to do with Somaliland so why are you advocating for Somaliland to invade buhodle on the name of defending imaginary border. Now you dont want somali government to come to Hargaisa and burco in the name of defending the Somali borders. I think you are confused, I did not advocate for anyone to attack or invade budhoodle, and like abroken record you keep repeating SL ma raabno to me, to which I keep telling I don't care. I asked a rhetorical and valid question to the SL supporters. As for the current news, unless you have some inside story, I read that there were separate attacks, one with SL troops and the other with Ethio troops. As I said I was concerned about Ethiopians randomly attacking women and children (i saw a video of them chasing women which caused a stampede) and I asked why the two states which fight over them did not support them. Posted by A& T Aaliya is right, there was a government in Somalia when SNM started fighting. Sure, there were oppression against SNM clan as well. Like it is now. There is a government in Somaliland, but the government there doesn't want to allow the SSC people to choose what they want, which is a dawlad goboleed named SSC. So, when Somaliland army attacks Buuhoodle or Las-Anod, the argument it makes about keeping borders is the same as the old one used by Jaalle Siyaad. A& T my sentiment exactly. Unfortunately, Somalilanders don’t want to see that...way isla qumanyihiin..aduun. In your haste to agree with a none existent point, A&T has led you to a dead end, again if you read Somali history you would know that Siyaad was not securing borders, he was stamping resistance out. Diinac loo raco maleh, they let themselves down, disunity means maraba ciid bad dinca lagu jiidan. United they could make their own, iis jiid jiidna ma jirina, that is all I got to say. But like all poor place, support is brought and sold.

Loool @ Got excited about new country, aadi xasiid haa nooqon women, tell her they look like us, talk differently and have more accidents Lord knows I did not do it for Kibir iyo kas, I just missed it.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: quote: Originally Posted By Ms. Ibtisam , I don't know how you can claim a place, boast about taking over it in the future but when something like this happens throwing it to the other party you was trying to win from. It makes no logical sense but wa Somalis I expect such madness to make sense to only them. Dear Ms. Ibti , It may not make a much of a "logical sense" ( or at least a certain version of Cartesian logic ) to you; but it most certainly makes an immanent "political sense" , indeed.... In other words, the "sub-text" of the argument that Somaliland will be making, or at least the conclusion that one can draw in the "absence" of our vocal protest against such a thing happening in Buuhoodle at the hand of Ethiopia, which will leave no one in any doubt as to what we mean is that we in "effect" are saying to the folks of that area that since "Pirate-land" has proven to be incapable of "protecting" them; and since their "border vulnerability" is here to stay in the absence of a strong jurisdictional oversight at their behest, then, perhaps, they were wrong to reject Somaliland's sovereignty, in the first place. Since, in the absence of that sort of "legal protection" over them, then, it's likely that Ethiopia will be continuing in it's present harassment of them, indeed…. So you see, my dearest , it makes, at least within the context of a "dog-eat-dog-world-of-the-Somali-politics" , a very much of a "political sense" , indeed.... Regards, Oodweyne. Oodweyne; Already meesha I watched you suffer and stood by baa dacdey a long time ago, this is not very good way to heal wounds. In any case, your argument will be valid IF and A big IF, Somaliland once controlled that area and put Ethios in their place, and then they kicked out SL, PL came and Ethios abused them, but this is NOT the case. There is no proof that SL can or is willing to protect them. In fact since these kind of run ins with the Ethios happen quite often, and considering Riyaal is friends with the Ethios, it is not likely that as you argue that they will be safe. Border vulnerability exists in Hawd (SL) as you may already know, as soon as la daafo Haye Yarre, you see Ethiopians walking about. Maybe if Somaliland was recognized by Ethiopia, again your argument would be a valid one.

Juxa, looool HAHAHa, it is about time they heard about it. I tried to edit it out of all the proposals but I must have missed some. C&H it is for the charity, all the source of my hadax xuun these weeks wa from that.

One event is too expensive for some people and small capacity, so we thought we'd throw in another event for free. think of it as a nice suprise

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: quote:Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Somaliland makes up 30% of the whole of Somalia, I know the argument you made there was not to state how big Somaliland population is. Infact, it was about making the point that SL should not be seen as the biggest issue in the demise of Somalia as it only represents 30% or less of the people of Somalia. I agree with the argument. But I felt there is a factual error I need to correct incase the men and women who come from Dhulkii has given you an inflated view of the SL population. The Somaliland-clan (and here I mean the only clan which heartily pushes for the SL agenda) is a a sub-clan of one of the four major clans of Somalia. Hence, in the 4.5 calculation, they do not get even 1. They share the 1. In what is geographically called Somaliland (former British Somaliland), there are various clans: the SSC (inculding the docile clan from which Hunguri comes from) , the Awdalites, and the major Gabooye clan who populate large swathes of the Hargeisa-Burco-Berbera Triangle. So, when we talk about SL, we should make it clear whether we are talking about the geography or the people who live in there. A&T I'm nothing but plain speaking, waxaba ha warwargin, I spoke of somaliland as a whole; You want to make it an reer shike isxaaq Vs everyone else, that is how advocates of ethnic cleansing start their arguments. And I'm not really interested in the if, iyo buts. I don't know how whatever points you think you are making is related to anything I asked AAliya?? I asked her about a statemen she made about the PAST, you are insistant to telling me about when dooms day arrives for shikes family. :confused: In anycase as you were. Scad* Inadheer caqli allah ha ku siyaadiyo. I don't know how you can claim a place, boast about taking over it in the future but when something like this happens throwing it to the other party you was trying to win from. It makes no logical sense but wa Somalis I expect such madness to make sense to only them.

^^Not you Juxa, adiga waan kugu so duuley. I want more than that wayo rich baa tihin. Nuune okay. Ngonge, lol I can't TELL them how much to give me and how. i can only make a suggestion and what they will get!

I'm okay alhumdulilah. I just feel on edge, emtional kursiga ayan ka dacay. One of those days, this company is teasing me, asking me is £1500 too much, how about less, what about day one, or event two, can we do a speech, how about leafleting, can we come to all the events, but we don't have people, can you give things out on our behalf. I just feel like saying errrrrrrrg just give or come or something. New company, they are asking me if people attending normally use translators or interpreting, business or normally people, is it worth it for them. I don't want to lie :eek: but I want them to pay.

Hello C&H Prayer for me, where is Aliya when you need her!1 I think albaab ba furmey meel anan ka filianini! I dont like waiting for answers, keep refershing e-mail-ka, how do people have long distance relations, all that tension waiting for reply (my e-mail has nothing to do with that btw, new sponsor for the charity,) Seriously all this tension, I need massage

^^What?? Miyaad ka daqadey? or you want to attend one?

^^A state as you claim does not and should not inaad la xiintant people. These so called rebels maxad uu tarrisan if you cannot protect them? Is that not the role of the state. Are you then surprised that they reject claims made by either state. If it is every man on his own, what is the use of titles? I know what you mean by why risk others life for rebels, but really this "us Vs them" mentality is not fit for a state, and you are not doing any favours for yourself with this attitude. Anigu personally I see it as shameful that Ethiopia can come and chase Somali women and kids within the Somali border, kill them and each administration (both SL/ PL) pretend it does not say anything about their legitimacy particularly are they are fighting to control that area. People should go with whoever can offer them security, peace and stability, ciid iska raaca maha but who can help you with your interest. At this point, they (the people of those area) should understand that neither (SL or PL) is willing to step out of their comfort zone or upset their friends by helping them.

A&T, Aaliya is right, there was a shell of a "government" but she is wrong about everything else in that quote. No point inaad uu jiibisid. As for the rest of your argument, I don't care to be honest about who or what has power in any place in the Somali area. Daakii ba la wereriye. As for hope of Somalinimo which will arrive if Somaliland fails, starts fighting or goes to hell, it is logically flawed and makes no sense. Somaliland makes up 30% (if not less) of the whole of Somalia, on its own it cannot make or break Somalia (AAliya who thinks it was the SNM who destroyed the Somali government is really giving them too much credit). In fact if Somaliland or Puntiland goes the same way as south somalia, forget hope for Somalinimo, there is no hope for Somalis as people. To the Somaliland supporters: IS the Buuhodle attack by the Ethiopians an invasion of your "border" and national security/ interest. Why would you not defend against the Ethiopian aggression?

^^We noticed, you tried to pick a fight in empty rooms adiga!

Lool He thought you spoke no English, ruunta aya fiician.

Originally posted by Safa: ^^^why was the snm created when Somalia was established. We had a government .... everything was so advanced from the health department to the education department...what exactly were you missing? taas kasoo fakar... In fact the government that was established was leading the whole nation....... enough said.. salaam AAliya are you serious?? Ma ka daba siidano (Put aside whatever debate you are having with the other dude, I support people to make their own choice) But what I am picking up on is what you said above in the quote. Is it not too soon to re-write history? or have you not done any reading on Somalia 1975-1990s? I would be interested to read how you came to the conclusion that people in Somalia, especially in the North, had everything.

Somalis always looking to build somalia in visits to other/ external sources. These things are such waste of time and funds. Somali Politics is at that stage where they just need to talk to each other under a tree with no plans, phones, money or white men around. Once you half fix up, you can attend meetings and try to build links, what is the use of building a bridge no one will walk on apart from you.

Originally posted by Allamagan: ------------ Martin Ssempa: "As a matter of fact we consider homosexuality a sin. You look at the obsession of europeans and america thats killing you. You can no longer have children, the family unsustainable, muslims are taking over your country . Your children stab each other........we beg you BAN sodomy" ------------ Watch this as John Simpson reports from Kampala . I think you missed the irony Almagan posted. Whoever though homosexuality would be used to argue that it is working for the benefit of Muslims! This is not a Muslim issue, Uganda is predominately Christian country.

Loooool @ wants £600 for giving her your number! Are these people serious?? loool HAHAHAH walahi this is so sad, commission for getting my son a lawyer! loool hahaha

^^^Now they want Commission for their kids, subxanallah. :eek: Juxa: If a patient calls to say they are very sick, but refuses to come in for treatment and then dies as result are we liable in any way. I feel sad, blood stubborn Arab! :mad: May allah have mercy on him. I need to report to the coroner' court.

Komiishin as in lacag? I dont get what this has to do with your work place? Miyi dacdey miis weye jabatey, if neither get lost ku dhe, too nice adiga.

Juxa, breath, in and out. Maxaad araketey? Does she habe 9 and one more on the way with a chewing sleeping thing called kusband with no job in sight?

For ages "Ma Faydaa" I use to hear "miyad faadia" I use to think, daadkan why do they care if I am sitting down OR can't they see I am standing. Then I realised they were saying "ma faydaa" with an accent. Shid! Juxa, lol okay, anything for you lool @ ha ooyin.

Juxa please I give you cake and first peak at the goods arriving on wed inshallah, might throw in a gift too if you are even more helpful. This event is making me depress and losing sleep. wakhtiyaad train-ka dhexisa laga ooyi jirey aya lagaadey. Nuune, waali

Your session does not sound like something a real wadaad would take part in, qurafakaan iyo sufinamida in Ireland as well. Maxa meesha ku diiegy?