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This place has turned weird. Apo is spewing weird philosophical rubbish, Norf is has quit his voyeurism and finally commented, Cambuulo is acting all depressed and Alpha is kicking people out. :confused:

warsamaale;955691 wrote: I agree, that is why I don't agree with the types like Somalia ( the SOLER ) who demonize the HAG Communities and insult them gratuitously but what will you say about the types like Haatu, a sijui living in NFD who never interacted with the said clan spouting off nonsense accusing PL'ers of all the ills in Somalia, when the opposite is true. something else is at work. And when have I said PLers are the cause of all the ills in Somalia? As for me not interacting with the said group, how do you know? If you're going to troll, then at least try and do it intelligently.

Tillamook;955679 wrote: War maxaad u kala hadleysaa ? You say you would rather have a decentralized state, and in the same breath you turn around and proclaim Somalia will remain a failed a state unless we have a "national governent" meaning..it should remain centralized. Haatu , It is best when debating a point to know exactly what it is you're trying to debate. Now putting aside your bipolarity. Faroole does not want "a looser type of federalism" as you say. What Faroole wants is simply what he signed up the people of Puntland for when he took part in the road map that led to our current federal system. Nothing more, nothing less!(I keep repeating this, because I want you to get it through your head this simple fact, which it seems you find difficult to do so) And finally, your last statement that you believe all Somalis have equal rights to all the resources in Somalia. NONSENSE! Saaxiib, what is mine is mine and what is yours is yours! Now if you want us to share our respective resources equitably and fairly, and help each other develop and thrive under the umbrella of the Somali Federal flag, then welcome. Otherwise, adaa cirka roob ku og ! A national government i.e. a government for ALL of Somalia. And without such a government we will be a failed state like the previous 20+ years. Why is this hard to understand? Faroole is complaining for the sake of complaining. The central government in Xamar has messed up with J/land but they haven't as far as I know said they reject federalism or changed the constitution. As for Culusow's remarks that federalism and the constituion are not set in stone until an afti qaran, I agree 100%. As for your last point, sheer backwardness is all that comes to mind. If you want to be rich and retire in comfort in your country with your camels, Somalis must share resources because some regions are barren deserts (such as yours), whereas others have mighty rivers and cultivated fields, some have oil and some don't etc. There's plenty to go round. Baashi, we're assuming the government has at least some honest intentions here.

Tillamook;955648 wrote: Once again, waxaad lasoo shir tagtey , hearsay and gossip. From what we know, unless you can submit to the gallery here otherwise, Faroole has never called for a Somali Confederacy. In fact, contrary to that, he took part as one of the stakeholders who helped establish the Somali Federal Government. Secondly, you once again make unsubstantiated wild statements, such as "it is illegal first and foremost under international law as those oil blocks in question have already been signed off to other foreign companies", yet you do not provide when, to whom and who "signed off" those hydrocarbon blocks? See here, Haatu, your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge the reality that the only form of governent that Somalis can come together under is through a federal system, because you keep making statements like,"how is the central government to get revenues" inferring that unless the Feds have full control of all the resources of Somalia, then we cannot develop our country. You, sir, are flawed in this thinking. What you fail to understand is that the resources of Somalia belong to the people, and not a central entity in Xamar. Get that through your head! The people, through their respective federated states, will decide the fate of their blood and treasure. The fed's only job is to help facilitate this. Nothing more, nothing less. I give it to you he has never uttered the words "confederacy", but the form of federalism he wants is much looser than the type of federalism that Somalia is aiming for. As for the oil blocks, re you seriously telling me you are unaware that the Kacaan government signed oil deals before the state collapse? Connoco, Shell? Ring any bells? As for my opinion on federalism, it's not my preferred choice as I would rather a decentralised unitary state but that's not likely any time soon. As for the country developing properly I stick with my statement that it can't be done without a national government because without it Somalia remains a failed state. As for the resources, it's my belief that every inch of resources on Somali lands belong to the Somali people collectively and the only fair way to distribute them is through a central government.

Somalia, well that's a shame because in a court of law that holds no weight

MoonLight1;955625 wrote: sxb there is deep mistrust among somali people, there was wars, destruction and hate being sawed for the last 22 years, the way to build trust is to be even handed and to distribute aid accordingly, OK Xamar has to be sorted first, but who can guarantee if Xamar gets prosperous and gets all the arms and wealth it needs it will not starve other regions or even attack them? there is a deep mistrust and the way the SFG should handle is to be fair and even handed then they will get people's hearts and mind, for example if Mog gets 5 projects why cant they allocate the next 3 to other regions? War yaa diidey what you're suggesting? We're on about resource allocation remember? Warsamaale, Siyaad's government did.

Wadani;955618 wrote: Ur not as bright as I thought. You can argue your point but there's no need for this sxb.

warsamaale;955611 wrote: Those oil blocks have been signed off by who ???. is the accountability in Mogadishu, they are busy siphoning the little aid money they get and you have delusions of them pocketing petrodollars from other peoples lands. keep dreaming. Don't confuse the TFG with the SFG. Corruption is a problem but steps are being taken to overcome it. Besides, what developing nation doesn't suffer from graft? As for your first question, love it or hate it but the Kacaan government did. The best we can ask for is a renegotiation of the terms which the EAEF (East Africa Energy Forum) advises.

MoonLight1;955604 wrote: Haatu sxb ha xiiqin laf baad toobeysaa, don't you know Muqdisho is the only recipient of reconstruction projects currently being under taken,, the Turkish FM Mr Oglo lifted the lid when in the London conference this month he uttered what we all suspected when he said "we can not take any regional reconstruction projects without the permission on the central government" , how can you expect PL or any other region to share with you their God given resource when you are refusing to share what you received in the name of "SOMALIA" , come on man, put your blind hate for MJs aside PL will never accept these double standard policies. You must realize your argument is baseless unless you believe Somalia is Xamar and Xamar is Somalia. If Somalia is to develop, we need to get our house in order and get over these petty squabbles. The truth is Somalia can't develop properly without a central government, and that won't happen without Xamar. I'm not looking at this from a clan point of view, but I'm looking at it from a Chimera point of view if you like. Somalia has spent wandering in the wilderness for too long. PS: Hate MJs? lol

Wadani, you made a comment, I gave you my opinion of it. You know what you said and what it entails. It's sad the Somali disease has afflicted you too but who am I to complain. Regards, Haatu.

Wadani;955591 wrote: But i'm not MJ nor from Puntland. What you said earlier included another group as well.

To the Faroole apologists, what Faroole wants is a Somali confederacy not a federation, going by his actions and demands in the past 2 years. I believe that a confederacy will be the final nail in the coffin for what once was Somalia. As for their stance with regards to the resources, it is illegal first and firmost under international law as those oil blocks in question have already been signed off to other foreign companies. What Faroole should be arguing for is a renegotiation of the terms, not short-changing the Somali people accepting peanuts in return for a few million so he can continue the Faroole Inc. hegemony. Secondly, if all regions follow in his footstep, how are we to move on? How is reconstruction to be restarted? Politics aside, how is the central government to get revenues? As for wadani, his sheeko is clan-supremacy and an imagined superiority.

Horta just what do these self-styled intellectual super weights actually do?

Safferz;955571 wrote: Haatu don't make me add you to my sh*t list too :mad: I have a clearer state of mind and I'm more emotionally balanced than that manic depressive, dhaqan celis internet troll. Watching the news now, looks like a few of the mayor's aides just resigned. women eh

Al, not true. I use SOL whilst revising as it keeps me sane. I admit I tend to overuse it at times but boy will that change once exams are over (so excited for the summer ). As for you, dee keep gardening hopefully you'll find a wife to make ur life worthwhile soon

Saff, one advice, never take anythung that madman writes seriously. Wallahi he's called me worse on multiple occasions and every time damn hilarious. He's just being the entertainer he is but I guess he caught you on the wrong time of month :D

D.O.C;955558 wrote: Alternative ??? Inaar i should have stayed in the name of duriyadda, it's more important. inaar durriyadda is many (allegedly although by no means confirmed ), ee which Habar are you?

Wadani;955549 wrote: In my years of perusing Somali news wbsites, forums and talking to nomads in real life it's clear that MJ's and SNMers are the two most hated clans. Is it a coincidence that they also happen to be the two most successful clans in almost every indiciator of development? Somalis have a serious issue with envy and xaasidnimo which we need to address before we can move forward. Inanillahi...

^Heh! Faroole and co want the balkanization of Somalia. I say NO to that and I will not shirk from it.

Apo, I don't know where the nigis, twerking comes in but this is how it started, 100% civil Haatu;913107 wrote: Hey ain't nothing wrong with that. Of course, too many people started to follow me so Alpha told me to get lost with: what's happened to my precious thread. how did all these trollers get here? can you all leave please. The sadistic bast@rd whores like a b!tch for more trollers then does that

Apo, this thread was dead before I came to rescue you and Alpha from boredom-induced depression, like two cell mates staring at each other with nothing to say DOC, you need to provide an alternative inaar ama you stay an arap

Apo, Alpha has lost it nowadays sxb. These pseudo-intellectuals have made him go mad DOC, remember how I said your an Arab till you prove otherwise? :D

These guys are the real obstacle to peace in Somalia. If given their way Somalia has no hope. The sooner Faroole and his ilk are disposed of, the better for everyone.

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