Apophis;979748 wrote: Hey Haatu, can you guess which is a Somali h.oe? What are they and how am I supposed to know? Safferz;979730 wrote: I'm not opposed to you describing Apophis a cockroach, but don't insult MZ :mad: You know you just exposed yourself.

Gheelle.T;979680 wrote: ^Waar Haatu waa nice sujui guy(I was told), he just doesn't like some segments of Ogs and of course the pirates I have no problems with OGs. Pirates on the other hand, (just kidding don't get angry ) Wadani;979681 wrote: I can say im one of the few Somalis in the world who is fully immersed in Somali politics and thoroughly knowledgeable about clan fueds (historic and present) yet harbours no ill will against any clan. Can any of you make such a bold claim? :cool: I can say that too. But I have criticisms for every clan. You iiSelectors are too liberal and keep too many grudges. Pirates are too sly for their own good and think they're clever than others, HAG are anarchists and genocidaires in denial, OG are fools that think they can fight through every problem, Gedoans are villagers that were let loose in the city, the farmers suffer from a victim complex and rest are insignificant and ehlu naar Yaan la xanaaqin. Even my own clan baan caaye

Apophis;979674 wrote: It has been charitably gifted, can't get it back:D lol Gheelle.T;979675 wrote: Nah, just stated the obvious In fact it's you who's always take a jab at your own people...Hence the suspicion about your OG claim The warriors of wardheer can never be LG waryaa. Besides, we are all ab-same (good ancestry=laandheer)

^^What are the chances of success in your (well informed) opinion?

:D K.O

Gheelle.T;979661 wrote: ^We all know without MZ, you (ya Haatu) would be a pinkie Didn't know you were LG(laan gaab). Are you trying to incite intra-OG hatred? Typical pirate Apo, that's the way to go. While you're at it, get Baardheere back as well

Apophis;979656 wrote: Haatu you little qabilist, stop hating on reer Ijara; you live in Garissa due to their (and the rest of the triumvirates' ) generosity, as we both know. Says the little MZ cockroach. Pretty soon we'll truck the lot of you back to Afmadow

http://somalilandsun.com/index.php/regional/3842-kenya-backs-******-peace-effort- I don't know how reliable this site is but it seems reasonable.

By: David Arnold Somalilandsun — One of the longest-running conflicts in Africa in the Somali-inhabited region of Ethiopia could be moving toward a resolution. Peace talks broken off last year between the Ethiopian government and the rebel Og.aden National Liberation Front (ONLF) may re-open in October, according to Kenyan negotiators. Last year's talks, hosted in Nairobi by Kenyan government officials, were overshadowed by the death of Ethiopia's longtime Prime Minister, Meles Zenawi. They ended early without addressing substantive issues of a half-century of conflict. "There was a sort of uncertainty at the top of Ethiopian leadership and about what they really wanted from these talks," said Cedric Barnes, International Crisis Group's Horn of Africa regional coordinator in Nairobi. The driving force behind both negotiation efforts is a team of Kenyan officials who are ethnic Somalis led by a former State Minister for Defense and member of parliament representing Garissa County, Mohamed Yusuf Haji. Kenya's special envoy to the Horn of Africa, Ambassador Ali Bunow Korane, confirmed recently that the Ethiopian government and leadership of the ONLF have agreed to meet. Despite recent reports of fighting near Jijiga, the administrative capital of the Og.aden, Kenya continues pushing for talks. "We're discussing possible negotiations in October," Korane said. The ONLF's chief negotiator, Abdirahman Mahdi, confirmed the Kenyan initiative. "There's quite a bit of shuttle diplomacy going on," said Barnes, author of a new ICG report on the Og.aden conflict. The Og.aden talks could bring an end to a decades-long conflict that has left a large region of Ethiopia, desperately in need of development, devastated and marginalized. But Barnes' report warns that success "requires unprecedented concessions from both sides." After the World War II withdrawal of Italian forces, Ethiopia took possession of the Og.aden, a vast semi-arid land of shrubs and bare hills that became the southeastern quarter of Ethiopia. The majority of the 4.5 million population are ethnic Somalis whose Oga.adeni clan ties extend to major parts of Somalia and Kenya. Although dates are not yet firm, Special Envoy Korane spoke optimistically of the impact they could have in the region. "I think settlement in the Og.aden could have an impact on some of the other problems of Somalis in the region." A constitutional stumbling block Last year's talks ended when the ONLF refused to accept the Ethiopia constitution as a pre-condition to talks because of Article 39, which addresses the right to secede. "The constitution says they have the right to self-determination up to and including independence," said Edmond Keller, an Ethiopia scholar at the University of California at Los Angeles. "But it's sort of the old communist dictum: You have the right, but not to exercise it." The two sides must confront the same issue in new talks, but "what we've heard is that both parties are looking for a work-around," said Barnes. "It's not a question of ONLF accepting it, or the government insisting." "While I doubt that the Ethiopian government is prepared to accept independence or self-determination for the Og.aden region, I assume that greater regional autonomy is on the negotiating table,' former U.S. ambassador to Ethiopia David Shinn told the editor of Oga.dentoday Press recently. Mahdi argues that the single goal of the ONLF, which he helped to found in the 1970s, is to permit the Ethiopians of the Oga.den to determine their own political future. "The issue has been identity and legacy of 50 years of oppression." "After the breakdown, there was a lot of campaigning to show the Somali people that they are part of Ethiopia," said Mahdi. "Many outsiders have been deluded by a lot of Ethiopian propaganda." But war fatigue could overcome mutual distrust. "Two decades of deadly conflict ... have exhausted the local Ethiopian-Somali population sufficiently to push the ONLF back to the table," said the ICG report. In addition to several divisions of Ethiopian National Defense Forces (ENDF) now stationed in the Og.aden, the government recruited thousands of local Somalis to form a Special Police Force stepping up military pressure on the ONLF. Both sides have been charged with abusing the civilian population by a 2010 Human Rights Watch report. "Abuses have been committed by all sides," said Barnes. "Both sides have to reconcile that dire things have been done." Pressure from the Somali diaspora The research director of the Institute for Horn of Africa Studies in Minneapolis and a native of the Og.aden, Faisal Roble, accused the Ethiopian government of abuses but said the ONLF is hurt by weak leadership. "Frankly, the ONLF lacks leadership, the capacity to engage in international diplomacy ..." Roble said that attitudes are changing on both sides of the Ethiopian conflict. Somalis in the Horn are seeing Ethiopia in a new light, said Roble. "There is a new prime minister in Ethiopia, and they are asserting themselves as a regional broker in peace building," said Keller. "The central government has been reaching out to ethnic groups in the Somali region to find reasons for agreement." Somalis outside the Oga.den are now changing their views of Ethiopia, Roble said. "The Ethiopian leadership is not the traditional enemy they have known for years" and diaspora Somalis are putting pressure on the ONLF to reach a settlement, he said. Ethiopia's Prime Minister, Haile Mariam Desalegne, unveiled in the administrative capital of Jijiga a statue of Sayyīd Muhammad 'Abd Allāh al-Hasan, the founder of the Pan-Somali movement. Similar monuments in Mogadishu and other towns in the region have been destroyed in clan warfare, said Roble. Roble said Ethiopia is "opening its heart, at least, to the history of Somalis."

Hobbesian_Brute;979646 wrote: His father looks ok though, but maybe the genes were hidden and showed up in his son. someday we should do back breeding of mixed races like somalis to get the original ancestral race. Yeah his dad looks like a normal Somali: Btw, Somalis aren't mixed. They're a distinct ethnic group.

Cambuulo, can you please STOP trolling us with your atheist scripts?

Alpha Blondy;979046 wrote: DEDICATED to Haatu. this was my resistance song before i left the Palestine cause to concentrate my efforts on issues closer to home. FIGHT the POWER, abti. I remembered when this song first came out (or at least when I first heard it). It opened my eyes to the big, evil, Jewish world.

Is it me or are a disproportionate number of Garissa residents jareer? Heck, even I'm jareer. Maybe Xaaji Xunjuf was right about us being mixed with the Oromo

Firstly, only Allah knows the future. That said and judging by what I have onserved, I can only see the Somali state balkanizing, God forbid. The Somalis in the North have mostly given up on unity, the ones in the east are becoming more and more distant, those in the centre are still struggling to confront their demons, those in the south west are beginning to stir and the southerners are restless. The future sadly doesn't bode well.

A lot of deluded skinnies here (Canada is a very nice country)

QansaxMeygaag;979305 wrote: Abti there is no correlation between n tending towards infinity and IQ level; it is like comparing temperature changes in Hobyo and the volumes of money transfers in Forex Bureaus in Nairobi.... :D woosh, over your head ama you're being opaque on purpose

Wadani;979449 wrote: lool @ this fool for comparing people who've been in Kenya only 20 some odd years to the Isa@q sujuis who are now 4th or 5th generation Kenyans. I personally know many Somalilander sujuis who still retain their dhaqan and af-Soomaali much better than the say 'wallahi generation' in the qurbaha who've lost it all within one generation. Some of these sujui's are actually more cultured than those back home because they've made it a priotrity to the learn the traditional Somali folk dances, preserve traditional wedding practices etc. Cambuulo's script has obviously never met one with their constant "naa dee heblaayo, shafbeelnay inanka roodhi inoogu d!r"". Alpha, villagers? 1998?

QansaxMeygaag;979240 wrote: Why not abti? You should have gone with a book for an autograph...I'd recommend Maps for you... I don't really see the value in that kind of stuff, but hey to each his own. This guy is from a talented family from what I know. His sibling is very funny, can play the kaban and is a decent poet. The sibling makes poems for their children dissing playfully each in turn. Very amusing

Alpha is actually a hidden genius. He lives in his own world and the things he spots about others and talks about are simple ludicrous. A 15 min skype convo will him will give you a knew outlook on life NY, you might be the first SOLer (other than Alpha, he's done all sorts) to have actually posted their image/video on here.

QansaxMeygaag;979238 wrote: 1. Ali Khalif Galaydh... 2. Ambassador Amina Jibriil Mohamed 3. Sada Cali Warsame 4. D/H 4 5. D/H 5 6. D/H 6 nth D/H to infinity... :D as n tends towards infinity, what happens to the level of IQ?

Petty dan la'aan folks.

xiinfaniin;978561 wrote: 'waa soo cubee' nimanka yiraahda markay caqli sheegtaan, waa calaamad adduun gaddoon Says the man who ends every word with naanaani

Heh! lol at him winning. I know and live near one of his siblings and he visits the area from time to time. Never once have I even bothered to see him.

There are a lot of dodgy characters there so I'm not surprised.

Nice lists. Here's mine: 1- Axmed Gurey 2- Sayid Maxamed 3- Aaden Cadde 4- Raage Ugaas 5- Ostareeliyo (I forgot his name but I like one of his poems )