If the Habro were to ever achieve their long sort after ictiraaf, that would be the end of their unity. Somalis only unite temporarily to achieve a specific aim. Soomaaliweyn was the aim that held Somalis together after independence. Once that became unattainable, that unity went out of the window. That has always been the case throughout Somali history and I see no signs to indicate any change to that.

Niyow, you're skirting around the point I made. No one suggested Muuse Biixi is contemplating the treasonous act some suspect. I merely mentioned that the owners of Hargeisa are the true lords of the North and that is a fact apparent to all in the know. Ilaahay amarkiis, every qabiil has a jifo that demands to rule the rest come what may. For us, our Cabdille cousins assume that role for themselves and the rest of us just watch in disbelief. I think you corner tribes would do well to let the lords of Hargeisa have their way as well

War dee ka qallee. Duqa cabaadka maalmahan ka yeeraya waa maqashaayee Wallee nimankaas waa belaayo. Ma nimankii SNM ee dhibka badnaa ayay kuddigood gees wada geliyeen? Allihii kuwaas Doollo ka fogeeyay baa mahad iska leh. Oodweyne iyo ciddiisa waa la iska celin karaa lkn jinna yaa iska celin karaa

I know I haven't responded to many our previous exchanges. Unfortunately life is busy and I don't get the time to spend on here as I used to. Marka, there's no fear of scolding on my side. That said si daacad ah baan u qoslay. Looters of their own homes The last time I laughed that much to something said on here was when the other Oday Goonni gave us his satirical take on the Isbaaro folk of Galmudug As for the points you've raised, Farmaajo will leave sooner or later and the people of Jubbaland will remain. Alhamdulilah they've built functioning institutions that get better year by year (I have personal experience to attest to this) and the minor politics at play now will come to an end. You're completely missing the point.

What did the old poet say again? Doqon aan duunyo lahayn, Dillaal aan darajo lahayn, Hadduu hadal kugu darsado, Xasanow daraf ka istaag. This old man is just barking out of anger. The fact is, Muuse Biixi is a dictator in the making, and talada SNM asaga iyo tolkiisa ayaa looga daba fadhini. I heard Muuse is even building the new presidential palance in a village exclusively inhabited by his nearest kin. That's the sad truth that enrages this man. Him and the likes of our friend Oodweyne (HY) and the rest of reer Hawd, geela iyo ari uun wax ha laga weyddiiyo. Meesha HA uun baa u talini.

Looters of their own home Wallee annakaa yaab aragnay. Faqashism garannay, Looters Incism garannay, tolow SNMism maxaan u bixinnaa? That said, the D-block are doing quite well. Their areas are the safest in the South today with the highest level of governance. I recently had the pleasure of interacting with Hay'adda Dhulka Jubbaland and I was mightily impressed. Did you know, other than Somaliland, Jubbaland is the only area in the former Somali Republic to use GPS technology to accurately map and locate land boundaries? So let's be honest, the 'defeated lot' are not doing that bad.

There is nothing malicious intended. I wish the people of Somaliland nothing but good and harbour no ill-will towards them. However, I must repeat to you what I said to Che. When discussing politics, I intend not the mindless masses who simply do as they're told, but rather the elite that control them. I don't believe in fanciful notions such as 'the people's will' or 'sovereignty for the people'. The 'will of the public' can be and is engineered by the elite the world over. Having lived through Brexit Britain I am sure you are well aware of that. In Somaliland's context, the elite means the SNM and their remnants, and my dislike for the SNM and their politics should come as no surprise to you. I fully believe that after the jidbo of the 1960s died down, the SNM elite came to a realisation that the qabyaalad of the South was such that they would forever be denied the top job. They then realised how naive they had been to surrender their 'sovereignty' to the South condition-free. The outcome of such a realisation was that from the get-go, the struggle of the SNM was all about secession so they could at last sit on the top seat. MSB's atrocities just added fuel to the fire but the initial objective was there all along. I can't hate them for that, for after all nin rag ah weligii wuxuu ku taamaa siduu wax u maamuli lahaa. But as a believer of Soomaaliweyn, secession in any guise is inimical to my worldview, hence why I find it contemptible. But at least I respect the SNM for having the courage to make apparent what they truly desire. However, I reserve my real contempt for those who lack the courage to make their true intentions apparent and instead spend every waking breath sabotaging the re-emergence of a strong Somali state. Hadday warkooda caddayn lahaayeen, mar horaa laga tashan lahaa and the rest of the South would have moved forward. But this useless dastuur and federalism have been the prime weapons with which the oligarchs of NE have used to sabotage the Central Government. I am glad we finally have an administration in Xamar that is hellbent on addressing the root cause of the constitutional crisis in the country and may Allah be with them.

A confederation in the Somali context is one step away from balkanization. No sane person who has any interest in Somali unity would advocate for it.

When speaking about politics, no one ever intends the mindless masses who just do what they're told. What we're discussing are the positions and beliefs of the elite who run the show. And call me cynical, but I believe the NE elite to be closet seccionists. Their idea of unity is sharing a passport and that's it. They are more contemptible in my eyes than the rabid snm.

It's time for the closet seccessionists to make their case apparent. We've been putting up with their hypocrisy for too long.

I for once agree with you. This is sadly a political stunt and not aimed at securing the country. There are rumours an election will be organised in Gedo in the near future a la Galmudug style. The real intentions of Farmaajo will be seen when the composition of that maamul is released, whether the aim was bringing an errant state to heel, or whether it was Reer Hebel iska celi booskana buuxi. In other words, we will find out whether ruuxii Barre Hiiraale uu ka dhax guuxayo Farmaajo ama in kale. Call me cynical, but I think that is Farmaajo's real aim, not the 2020 elections (which would be a nice bonus). However, one overlooked fact is that Madoobe and his battle hardened Raas Kaambooni are still present in the region, and nothing short of a civil war will remove them from the areas they control (unlike those in Galmudug). That said though, I fully support Farmaajo's centralist unitarian state ideology. Federalism must end and those in against that must be brought to heel (no matter how much the saboteurs of North East hiss and scream). However, I don't support using the state machinery to achieve clan aims and illegal dhulbalaarsi, ama wallee Caabudwaaq baa loo noqon. Waddaniyad afka baarkiis ku siman ninna maanta laguma beerlaxawsan karo.

Tolow, how much of this will the Northerners understand

...dheefna ka soo waayay. Iyo ku kale oo Baraasiil sahan ku tagay oo halahii Donald Trump oo dhukaan ah ku soo arkay

This is why people dislike landers. Cuqdad, xasad, iyo gaalo-jacayl baa ka buuxa.

This post reeks of dependency. Why should Somalis be reliant on the largess of others? Are they not capable of supporting themselves? Despite what many people, poor countries can easily escape the poverty trap as long as they pursue the right economic policies. But good luck finding those policies, the IMF, World Bank, WTO, developed countries on general and others are hell-bent on keeping poor countries poor. Ha-Joon Chang, a Cambridge economics professor calls them Bad Samaritans and Friedrich List, the father of developmental economics, describes their actions as 'kicking away the ladder' after they've climbed the tree. And aid is a scam. It's a roundabout way for countries to subsidise their economies without breaking WTO rules. What is wrong with you people? Qabkii iyo hankii sare aaway? For educated bright people, fikraddiina aad bay u hoosaysaa. Never let your poor sitaution to lead you to beg/be dependent on others. There is always a way out if you are mentally self-sufficient. Laakiin hadduu nin kale maskaxda kaa haasta, you will forever be dependent.

He looks like the kind of guy who can be bought out with 'nic qaad ah' let alone a whole marduuf.

Despite what my display pic shows, I actually don't believe in federalism, nor have I ever done. I prefer something akin to the preferectural system of Japan. Nor do I particularly like the leadership of N&N. Nor do I hate Axmed Madoobe. In fact, he's the best thing to have happened to Jubbaland since the civil war began. That said though, I believe NN is the last hope in establishing a strong, united Somali state. If NN fails, then I believe the country will disintegrate in the years that follow. So, I am willing to put my political preferences to the side for the last time and entertain another man's clannish desires for my land for the greater good. I hope Farmaajo and Khayre are successful in subjugating the country. I don't even care if they become dictators as long as they re-establish the state. However, if NN fails and is booted out of Villa Somalia, then enough is enough. I then will support and campaign for the balkanization of Somalia. Let each man go his way, for good or worse.

Dulli dulli dhalay. Ummad dhan maxaa afkaada huurada leh ugu soo taagi? Aadan Barre hadduu daacdaacsaday, ma annakay na qusaysaa? Haddaadan iska dhicin karin oo siyaasi u jawaabo aadan haasanin, annaka ha nagu soo jeesan.

Just because the plane is registered in Kenya doesn't mean the Jubbaland government doesn't have a stake. You're forgetting Ahmed Madoobe's biggest powerbase is in Kenya. Most Somalis think that means Kikuyus but it is actually Somali Kenyans that used the Kenyan government machinery to achieve their aims and Jubbaland is the result. Ahmed Madobe didn't magically conquer Jubbaland single-handedly, he had powerful backers. In this case, they most probably have a Somali from Kenya as a proxy.

The advent of China and most of human history has shown us that Western democracy is not the only way to succeed (whether they are even succeeding is doubtful), nor are so-called Western "values" universal. If we even were to accept that such a notion exists, it would be idiosyncratic at best. We would do well to learn from the histories of nations and our own for that matter. Dow ma aha in nidaam laguu yeeriyo. Waa in aad leedahay karti aad ku hindisi kartid nidaam adi kuu qalmo oo waayahaaga iyo xaaladaada ka turjumi kara. We need a new system. If, despite all these years of futile attempts in overcoming our failed nation status, it is evident that there are some who are willing to try a new system and there are some who rigidly cling onto the colonial system that went by the name of the Somali Republic, I see it fit that the two sides go there separate ways and we see which side succeeds. I have no doubts that the colonial project will fail and continue to fail.

No.1 seems the most likely and what most people yearn for, whether they admit it out loud or not. The reason for that might be it is a system that resembles the indigenous system that existed before colonialism if not the exact thing. In short, it is as close to an indigenous system as possible under the circumstances today but not ideal in my opinion.

Secession is not the panacea some think it to be. Somaliland is a case in point. They simply replicated the same failed system of the Somali Republic with the same results which we are seeing today. Xalku waa nidaam cusub oo xera-u-dhalad ah. Not more of the same which is what both you and the secessionists are suggesting.

For how much longer will we continue to beat a dead horse? Is it time we look for newer solutions instead of rehashing the same old failed strategies? At independence we inherited from the colonialists a system which they enforced and had built from the top down to meet their needs. The system was continued due to the Somaliweyn fervour at the time and the desire to liberate the occupied lands. However, before long with the whip of the colonialist gone cracks started to appear in the edifice and gradually became bigger and bigger. The military regime came in 1969 promising to re-plaster and to strengthen the foundation of the edifice. However, that too failed and the building finally crumbled in 1990. Since then, we have devoted all our efforts and attention to rebuilding that system in one manner or another (centralist or federalist), but fundamentally a system based on the colonial one; which if you recall was a foreign system to begin with which was enforced by the barrel of the gun. In short, nidaam xera-u-dhalad ma aha. So I repeat, after 30 years of failure and 30 years of abject failure, is it now time to abandon that colonial system and replace it with an indigenous one? Miyaynu awoodnaa inaynu tuurno nidaamkaas gumaystuhu uu nooga tagay oo aynu ku baddalnaa mid xera-u-dhalad ah oo ka turjumi karo xaaladdeena iyo dhaqankeenaa, kaas oo ku salaysan taariikhdeena? Mise wareerkan ayaynu weligeen ku jirnaa?

Nothing like good old Diisow on these kind of occasions

Jubbaland isn't going anywhere. That's just propaganda. And if it ever came to that, J/land would have a better claim for independence compared to the secessionists, as it was an actual state before colonialism. But that's fantasy. Jubbaland is a part and parcel of Somalia. Let's hope the rest of Reer Koonfur get their act together. Otherwise Somalia might die on the coma machine.