Alpha Blondy;986746 wrote: Hat, abti, islam and politics are incompatible somaha? They're like a hand and its glove. They go together perfectly. Don't let the liberals deceive you into thinking political Islam (my version) is dangerous.

Alpha, I kindly request you desist from the blatant i.***** propaganda you're peddling here. Also, a good teacher never assumes the students know something. Very simple but you'll be surprised at how many teachers neglect this. So if you're going to teach proton NMR, first point to Hydrogen on the periodic table with the students and work through what the different numbers and symbols mean before teaching them what a nucleon is. It might be revision/basic for most but there might be some who don't know or have forgetten. (I would make an amazing teacher)

guleed_ali;986731 wrote: Haatu and Jacpher will split the Islamist vote. Making things easier for the secularist camp. Tragic. Maybe NY did this on purpose? He always had a dislike for me.

Baashi;986702 wrote: Awoowe disenfrenchisement of Somalis in Kenya is real. I have seen it with my own eyes. My fellow Somali-Kenyan's have been disenfrenchised. The territories Somalis populate are under quasi-marshal law if not under full blown Marshal law. The Somali-Kenyans' movement within Kenya is restricted. The state does not invest in the territories Somalis reside as it does with other districts. They are deprived of the right to have access to basic healthcare and education that's at par with other provincial districs such as Nakuru. The NFD infrastructure is 20 to 30 years behind compared to other parts of the state. The grievances against the state is real. Do not wage violent resistance against the state but do demand equal treatment under the law. Demand access to the basic healthcare and education. And what do you guys think we're doing? Ma dad dareen la' baad na moodeen? Of course we demand equitable treatment and basic services, day and night.

Apophis;986623 wrote: Also, can anyone tell me how many years has passed since Caesar crossed the Rubicon (49 BC). 2062 years. Not very had If you've always wondered how the ancient Egyptians could use that ridiculous pictorial script (hieroglyphs), well wonder no more. It turns out they used a more normal looking script called Hieratic: Hieratic refers to a cursive writing system, used in the provenance of the pharaohs in Egypt and Nubia, that developed alongside the hieroglyphic system,[1] to which it is intimately related. It was primarily written in ink with a reed brush on papyrus, allowing scribes to write quickly without resorting to the time-consuming hieroglyphs.

Khayr;986649 wrote: I don't get the mentatilty of people who are oppressed in another land and still call themselves as equals to their oppressors. You are not Kenyan and will never be. You are a Somali that has for generations lived in Kenya. This goes for any Somali that has lived in Ethiopia for generations or in the States. This Stockholm syndrome must stop! That documentary was emotional. I felt like the former minister and the faat aszz policeman were real goons. You guys are mixing a lot of things. Our land is in Kenya and that makes us Kenyan citizens. We might not like it but it's a reality today. So, when Mohamed asks the question "are you Kenyan", he's really asking "do you see yourself as a Kenyan citizen" which goes without saying. Our identity on the other hand is obviously Somali. As for you guys saying we ought to fight, ask yourselves "what good will it bring"?

Wadani;986621 wrote: Illeen Soomaalidu waa dadka caabiidnimada ugu nugul. Kenya waxa ay u gaysatay dadkeena waa uur ku taalo aan la ilaabin karin oo runtii tiiraanyo iyo murugoba igu reebtay. Balse waxa taa igaga daran dadkan dilka,boobka, jidh-dilka iyo kufsiga loo gaystay iyaga iyo dumarkoodaba haddana Kenyaanimo ku ooyaya. Halka ay aar goosasho iyo gobanimo ka fikiri lahaayeen ayay geedka gunnimada hoostii hadhsadeen. Uff!! Wallee inaydaan u qalmin maal iyo naf midna in la idiin huro. You clearly don't understand. Kenya was an entity created by the British in 1963. Our land in the NEP is included in that entity. We affirm that this is our land and that makes us part of that entity, Kenyans if you like. As the brother said, Kenyans by geography.

Tallaabo;986525 wrote: I do agree with you 100% and that was the whole point of posting this thread. Unfortunately the Muslims of today(the vast majority) have got neither intellectual advancement nor moral integrity. We sorely lack both and it gives me no pleasure to read articles like the one I posted in the world media. So instead of dismissing the terrible disparity between the Jews and the Muslims in almost any aspect of civilisation(putting aside our noble religion of Islam), isn't it wiser to acknowledge our deficiencies and at least try to change the situation? I understand what you mean. After the Muslims stopped following their religion, and falling the Islamic way of life, they then also lost the progress they had and whatever honour they had left.

Safferz;986639 wrote: Wow, that vid and the blackface costumes Alpha posted is the stuff I'd expect from frat 'bros' at American colleges. When I was an undergrad, we actually had a blackface Halloween costume incident as well, where some white guys decided to dress up as the Jamaican bobsled team from Cool Runnings and they were actually awarded 'best costume' at a campus event. We had a university-wide townhall meeting to discuss it and wider issues of racism on campus, and it was the biggest sh*tshow ever, with white folks showing up just to defend the morons. Unfortunately this sort of thing happens every Halloween, and the sexist/rape chants are not unusual in frat culture. Not sure how similar the UK is in this, though. I don't see the outrage of people dressing up to look black. If they want to paint their faces, let them.

Apophis;986666 wrote: This reminds me of a very funny, at least to me, anecdote about a female MP from North Eastern Province. In 2007, Kibaki appointed her as an MP (to boost female numbers in parliament I believe) and as her term ended in March of this year she stood, this time, for election for her constituency (Ijara, longfoot territory); she had to campaign and rally the community to elect her. So one day, she calls the elders to her house ( because they decide who wins or loses), for lunch and to request their support. As the elders finished their tea, the adan rung and they prepared for prayer. They call her and ask her to lead them in prayers. Taken aback, she says women cannot lead men in prayers; their response: if you cannot lead us in prayers, how can you lead us politically. Last I heard, she went to court to force a by-election but was not successful. Ps: I'm sure there are different versions of the story but the core of it is accurate.

This guy's the best thing to have come out of Canada. He combines every vice imaginable

This is from another group of students somewhere up in those barren highlands

An ancient Akkadian riddle: A Lover's Riddle The woman you love should be in your heart, (1) Make of her your most promising sign. Figure it out, ask yourselves this: What begins with a sighing wail? Well, it's my new-born love! (5) http://www.etana.org/node/559

Please use this thread to post anything to do with ancient history anywhere in the world (before 1000 AD). I'll go first: An inscription from 26 BC Sumerian (𒅴𒂠 EME.ĜIR15 "native tongue") is the language of ancient Sumer, which was spoken in southern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) from at least the 4th millennium BC. During the 3rd millennium BC, a very intimate cultural symbiosis developed between the Sumerians and the Akkadians, which included widespread bilingualism.[2] The influence of Sumerian on Akkadian (and vice versa) is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a massive scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.[2] This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the third millennium as a Sprachbund (area of linguistic convergence).[2] Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language around 2000 BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate),[3] but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary and scientific language in Mesopotamia until the 1st century AD.[4][5] Then, it was forgotten until the 19th century, when Assyriologists began deciphering the cuneiform inscriptions and excavated tablets left by these speakers. Sumerian is a language isolate.

I voted Safferz as well At least I made it to the list this year, progress enough

Xaaji Xunjuf;986429 wrote: This guy should remain locked up he is against the new friendly relations between Kenya and Somaliland. How sure are we he is an Ethnic Somalilander maybe he is an immigrant? Bal inaga so hubi Wixii xunba Xaawo leh miyaa

Saalax;986435 wrote: Why are people ganging up on Safferz. I agree adoomey is a derogatory term similar to Cabeed. That's the point. It's meant to be derogatory, that's why people use it.

STOIC;986365 wrote: Haatu, thanks for sharing that history.Mohamed Adow ( Rageh Omaar of NFD) did an excellent job with this documentary. It was very moving piece.It took me way back home. Honestly I have never considered myself a Kenyan. To be integrated into a population means for all practical purposes to be Indistinguishable from other citizens. Somali Kenyans are world apart from other Kenyans.You could see how the Kariuki guy and the policeman were both rude and dismissive. Nacala Kikuyu!! Exactly. It's just as Deeqow and the brother at the Wagalla airstrip said, we are geographically Kenyan but that is it. There's fundamental differences that separate us and never will we integrate. We know that, they know that, hence the scorn shown by the Kikuyus in the film.

Safferz;986363 wrote: Thanks for sharing your mom's account, Haatu. I don't like how you keep referring to non-Somali Kenyans as adoon, though... I understand the resentment but racist and hateful language is unnecessary. Hateful, yes. Unnecessary maybe but that's besides the point as that is what everyone in the NFD calls them almost exclusively. So much so people use it when casually referring to them instead of saying "madow baan arkay", they'll say "adoomey baan arkay".

Haatu;986300 wrote: Xaaji xunjuf mararka qaar wuu iska hadlaa. What can these poor people do? They are at the mercy of primitives with no fibre of decency in their person. The oppression was so widespread I could say nearly every family in the area was affected one way or another. My mum remembers that day Mohamed Adow describes from his childhood when everyone was running for their lives. Adoomada came to an old neighbour of my mother's family and told him to go into his hut (he lived in a nomadic aqal). They then sprinkled diesel all over the hut and set a match to it. Amarkii Ilaahey the aqal would not just catch fire. They sprinkled more diesel and still nothing. They then yanked him out, beating him with the bottom of their rifles saying he was a magician (falfalle). After they beat him they made him lie in the middle of the road and rode one of their armoured cars over him. Alla ha u naxariistee he died instantly. I showed my mum this documentary and she got very emotional over it. What follows is what she narrated to me about how the Garissa Massacre happened: It all started because a local poacher who was called Cali Madoobe was in partnership with a Kikuyu called Paul. Cali would kill the elephants and collect the ivory, Paul would come take it away and sell on the Black Market. One day Paul decided to betray his partner. He had taken a batch from Cali, sold it on the black market and was planing on keeping the loot for himself. Paul and Cali had planned on meeting on the town's outskirts. Paul in his betrayal went to the local police station and told them a shufta (bandit) was trying to sell him weapons. He came with a truckload of armed officers with the intention of betraying Cali. Cali who had fought in the '77 war could hear the military truck coming. He climbed an abaq tree and waited. The came, looked around but couldn't find anything except the ivory horde. They took it and went back in the truck and went back. At this point Cali thought they might see him in the tree if they looked back so he decided to climb down and hide behind the tree. Whilst climbing down his gun fell and unluckily for him the safety was off. Bararac the gun went off and the askar heard and came back. Si xun bey u dileen and wey faraxumeeyeen. Cali came back into the town that day asagoo liita. When asked how he was he replied "wallaahi si xun bey ii dileen oo dumar bey iga dhigeen balse anaa og saan ka yeeli". Miskiinka was determined to have his revenge. He went to the Somali border and recruited men and arms. He returned a while later and went straight to Paul's house. He hid a pistol in his belt and put a shaal on to cover it. He must've changed his appearance as well because the wife who opened the door only recognised his voice and not his face. She lied and told him Paul was away. Miyaa un buu yiriyee, he promptly shot her and yer young daughter. Paul heard all this and jumped over the perimeter wall at the back. At this point Cali was on a rampage. He then went to a nearby church and shot madowgii ku jirey as well as tu/ku Soomaali ah oo gaaloobey. He then went to a local petrol station and shot the madow waardiye. He then left the town. He would occasionally come into town and cause a ruckus and then leave again. Askarta addoomeyda dad maata oon hubbeysneen unbey ka adag yihiine, rag hubeysan wayba ka baqaan. Whenever they hear "cali baa soo socdaa" they would flee. Cali would give messages to the ladies that bring milk into the town for the police officers in town saying "haddaad rag tihiin, meeshaas iyo meeshaas iigu imaada". Never once did the adoomey take the offer. After a while, GG Karioki, the internal security minister came to town. Everyone was ordered into the town primary school field. He gave his infamous speech in Swahili. He said "mas cunigii waa un mas. Cali Madoobe idinkuu idinka dhashay. Haddaan 7 maalmood gudahood ku keeni waaysaan, magaalada silig baan ku xiri oo waan idin laayni". Hooyo says at this point dadka cabsi maahee wayba isku xaareen. Waa la soo galbaday. 6 maalmood baa la joogey. On that night, my mum says while the were asleep, she was woken up by ayeey to screaming and gunshots. She said hareerihii haddaan fiiriye waxaan arkay magaalada oo dhanoo gubanaysa. The flames were only a few houses away. (this is the night Mohamed describes). The flames stretched from Buulo Cadaan (where Mohamed lived) till the end of Ngamia Road (a huge portion of town). When the troops came to their area they went to the house of a local police officer called Maxamed Isiolo. The poor man was so out of his wits he told them to leave and refused them entry. They then went to the house of another local officer named Cali Jidhaye AUN. He said "if we are to live we'll live so come in". His house was a two room brick building and mother and other relatives filled them both. The kids were screaming and everyone was reading Qur'aan at the top of their lungs. The officer who was hiding them would pluck up some courage and put on his uniform to confront the adoomey, then he would look outside and fear for his life so he would changed back into civilian clothes. He did this for a very long time. It was at this point the old neighbour which I talked about earlier was beaten and told to lie in the ground. I was mistaken. He didn't die but survived as wuxuu ku hagaagay in between the wheels. Asagoo silic ah ayuu guriga usoo galey. He said "Faadumoy ma joogtaa?" My ayeey said "Xaaji hebelow see tahay?" He said "Faadumoy Alle un baa og sidey ii galeen balse waxaan arkay calan Soomaaliyeed oo dhulkan ka taagan oo anaga baa dhulkan ugu dambeyn doonaayee, iska sabra" (Wallaahi I'm not lying, this is what my Mum heard from the old man). Dead bodies was strewn all over the place and even some of my relatives and family friends died that night. Dead bodies were strewn all along Ngamia road (a long road in the centre of town). (The adoomey threw all the bodies into the river before fajr so hide what they did). It was at this point my abti was agitating to run away to Somalia saying "Adoon ma i dilaye, Soomaaliya baan ku shubi (carari)". A lot of the youth were doing this (a relative named Kilas did this and he was only seen when Somalia collapsed). Ayeey wouldn't let him. At the morning just before fajr, the adoon made the local chief a man named Chief Sugow to give an announcement on a loudspeaker. He told everyone to present themselves to the Primary School field again by midday or else they would be killed in their homes. Everyone was again rounded up with the officers cocking their guns at the populace, surrounding them. Officers would casually come into the mass of people and randomly beat people up. After a while, all children, women and government workers were allowed to go home. During that night was when the mass raping of the town's female population took place while the men were still held in the field. It was the next day Siyaad gave his famous ultimatum to Moi. The men were shortly released. 2 days and 2 nights without food and drink. It was so bad they resorted to drinking each others' urine. My own abti was one of them. My family then fled to Somalia on foot. Mother told me of their happiness at the sight of the Somali border which meant safety. They were fed, clothed and housed by the Somali Republic for as long as they wished to stay. Wagalla was even worse.

Xaaji Xunjuf;986341 wrote: ^^ Somalis in Somalia abuse each other to whats the difference do you think Kenyan bullets hurt more than Somali bullets and artillery Xaaji we are the joke of the world, even kuwii madowga ahaa baa naga sarreeya and instead of taking heed, we continue to divide each other. That's what he's trying to say.

In all seriousness though, Apophis hit the nail on the head although a poor choice of words.

Cadale;986296 wrote: waraa is that the NFD accent? I swear to god i couldnt understand the story lahjadu adakaa Yeah. What's hard about it? I even translated some of the tricky words...

Tallaabo;986298 wrote: If Somaliland never joined Somalia, our brothers and sisters in NFD would probably be free today. I am sure Somaliland would have gone to war with Kenya either overtly or in other ways. How did you arrive at this conclusion? At the end of the day people only pay lip service to Soomaalinimo and have tribal interests at heart so I highly doubt Somaliland fighting Kenya.

Tallaabo;986297 wrote: Where are the sources which show that Siyaad threatened Kenya? Even if he threatened Kenya, where his threats just empty words? Or may be his army and weapons were there for the destruction of the Northern clan. As is the situation today, Cigaal had no power in the 60s when he was the PM. The real power was in the hands of the president and the cabinet consisting almost entirely of southerners. I think after this sad documentary those still singing "aabe Siyaad" have a lot to explain. There's no proof but reer Gaarisa say the men were only let go after Siyaad's famous threat "Haddaad 24 sac gudahood kusoo siideyn waaysaan, raggayaga ma idiin soo diraye, dumar baan idiin soo diri". Only Allah know if it's true but that's what the locals claim. As for Cigaal whether he had power or not, he will always be remembered as the man who signed NFD away for ever.