Che, the original discussion was about international representation, not direct control (that may continue to be a bit iffy for sometime afterwards). But, the future inclusive government will represent Somalia after August IA.

kingofkings;830562 wrote: trust me, PL is here for a long time to come. p.s. PL is only going to get stronger in terms of economically and militarily in the near future. with or without federalism, PL will stay at the top of all things somalia. :cool: Yes, if federalism does continue, P/land will be stronger economically and militarily in the wider Somali economy and the future unified army.

Che, TFG won't exist in August. All the current players will be part of the future government, significantly increasing its sphere of influence and to somewhat degree, its control.

^ Yacni the architecture. Somalis seem to like this style.

Che -Guevara;830553 wrote: Emotions aside, lets be realistic. the TFG barely controls beyond Xamar. How could one think it can control the actions of the regions in the periphery? Which is why I said come August when an inclusive government is built IA, this will all stop.

kingofkings;830549 wrote: PL has been doing this for 20 years and 20 years from now, PL will still be doing this. enjoy living in PL shadows. If clan federalism is dropped, P/land and other entities won't exist, kow dheh. Secondly, if federalism does go ahead, P/land will have no authority to make international agreements on its own: that will be the Federal Government's job. Thirdly, I don't live in P/land's shadow. I've got nothing against it specifically, I'm just against federalism full stop.

xiinfaniin;830363 wrote: ^^LOL@Clan Federalism Haatu afkay u gasheen, xaajigu waa belo I totally understand secessionists fears as Allah refused to accept their prayers of more death and destruction of Somalis in the South and things are looking better in the capital. What I don't understand is other Somali's fear of the constitution. Federalism is the model of the current structure and it will be the model for the upcoming structure, it reflects the reality on the ground. Somaliland, Puntland are two realities that warrants federal structure to bring the country back to its feet by building confidence and trust among Somalis. Sxb clan federalism is a disaster. There will be no nationhood if it succeeds. That's a reality and we are already seeing the beginnings of it. Have a look at the actions of Faroole and how he is totally undermining the TFG. But what can I say, clan zealots only see clan. PS: Xiin have you noticed how Abdiweli has become more vocal towards the 'spoilers'? That's what we wanted isn't it

kingofkings;830541 wrote: Puntland Constitution Article 3 states, Pending the completion of the Federal Constitution approved by a popular referendum, Puntland State shall have the status of an independent States. Only 3 months left to enjoy this privileged mate. Then we can get back our dignity.

Good development but couldn't they have been a bit more imaginative? It's all well and all but a bit more creativity would've made the place stand out a bit.

Showqi;830539 wrote: Sideey ku dhacday in ay dowlad goboleedka Puntland saxeexdo wixii loogu tala galay in ay saxeexdo dowlada dhexe ee Somalia? Is Puntland a Regional government of Somalia or is Puntland a separate country from Somalia??? This is the time that President Sheekh Shariif needs to get up and do his Job. Sheekh Shariif needs to stop this clowns with interacting with other countries on behave of Somalia. I rally think that Faroole is screwing Sheekh Shariif here a big time:mad::mad: Come August IA, this nonsense will stop.

When will people learn and give up this federalism thing. If you can't learn to share things with other clans, then some serious soul searching needs to be done. And no this is not assumed at anyone specific, rather it's aimed at every person who supports clan federalism.

lol @ Yaanyuur

^ Sxb we don't want another dictatorship, we want a democratic decentralized unitary state, a bit like what Japan has at the moment.

^ Isma dhaanto iyo dhasheed More clan states and clan flags. Same old BS

Faroole's henchmen un baa meesha laga saaray, no one else

lol

Carafaat;829913 wrote: I am hearing from sources in Muqdisho that the secret draft constitution is based on a Unitary Somali State with strong unified regions based on 18 previous regions rather then Clan Federalism. If that is the case, then we have to support it. Because; Only a Unitary Somalia can stand up to foreign powers and international aid agencies. Only a Unitary Somalia can support and advocate (in future) for Somali in Western Somalia and NFD. Only a Unitary Somalia can end the conflicts throughout Somalia and reconciliate people. Only a Unitary Somalia can draw Somaliland back in to the Union. Only a Unitary Somalia can take part in global financial, economic and trade system. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent prevent problems like food shortages, famine's, Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent Somali's from becoming a minority in their own country. Only a Unitary Somalia can stand up for the rights of Somali youth imprisoned everywhere in the world. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee the excistense and unity of the Somali people. Only a Unitary Somalia can fight extremist terrorist like Al Shabaab and Al Qaida. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent that our (marine, oil, gas) resources are stolen by foreign powers. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent piracy, illegal money printing, charcoal export. Only a Unitary Somalia can ensure all Somali's can live, travel and do business everywhere in Somalia. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee equality and justice of all Somali's irrelevent of their clan or where they li ve. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent that we become in the first place citizens of/or Galmudugians, Ximan and Xeebs, Somalilanders, Puntlanders, Hiiraanians, Bakolians, Jubbians, Gedogian, Shabbelian, etc. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee wem all remain Somali's in the first place. This is the reason why I have opposed any form of a Federalist Somalia and have called upon everyone to renounce any consitution that would be based on anything else then a Unitary Somali State. All else in the constitution are minor details that can be changed and amended later. Spot on. Nothing is better than unity. PS: all of you that are laughing at XX and making the same old secessionist comments, just know that whatever he may believe, he has conducted himself in an admirable way and has finally become a unionist. You could all learn a thing or two from him.

http://jowhar.com/news.php?readmore=835

Odayaashii ka socday Puntland ee ka qeyb galayay shirka Odayaasha dhaqanka oo maanta ka huleelay Muqdisho Odayaashii ka socday Maamulka Puntland ee uga qeyb galayay shirka odayaasha dhaqanka Muqdisho ka socday ayaa maanta ka ambabaxay magaalada Muqdisho, iyadoo diyaarad ay ka qaaday Garoonka diyaaradaha Aadan Cadde. Ilaa 20-xubnood oo ahaa Odayaasha dhaqanka ka qeyb galayay shirka ayaa ka degay Magaalada Garowe, halkaas oo ay ku soo dhoweeyeen xubno ka tirsan Golaha Wasiirada Puntland, iyadoo qaadacay dastuurka qabyo qoraalka ee doodiisa ka maalmahan dhex mareysay. Xildhibaan Dahir Cirro oo ka mid ah mudanayaasha baarlamaanka ayaa sheegay in Odayaashii dhaqanka ee ka socday Puntland ay uga baxeen shirka markii ay [fahmeen] fashilka Dastuurka, isla markaana aanu dan umadeed aheyn. "Odayaasha dhaqameedkii ka yimid Puntland waxay u yimaadeen halkan maslaxadii iyo dib u heshiisiinta Umada, markii ay [fahmeen] fashilaada ay mas'uulka ka tahay Xukuumada uu hogaamiyo C/wali ayay go'aansadeen inay isaga baxaan"ayuu yiri Xildhibaan Dahir Cirro. Wasiiru dowlaha Wasaarada Dastuurka Xasan Maxamed Jimcaale ayaa beeniyay in Odayaal aanay ka bixi shirka, isla markaana uu shirka socdo, hase ahaatee waxaa uu xusay in shaqsiyaad ka tirsan Xafiiska Madaxweynaha Puntland ay ka saareen shirka, diyaaradna ay raaceen. "Odayaal ka baxay shirka iyo diyaarad ay raaceen ma jirto, waxaa baxay shaqsiyaad ka shaqeynayay Xafiiska Madaxweynaha Puntland"ayuu yiri Xasan Maxamed Jimcaale Wasiiru Dowlaha Wasaarada Dastuurka. Dhowaan ayay aheyd markii warqad qoraal ah oo ka soo baxday Xafiiska Madaxweynaha Puntland oo ku socotay Beesha Caalamka looga soo horjeestay Dastuurka qabyo qoraalka.

Texting's not bad if you're fast. I saw this guy texting painfully slow the other day. that's when texting become annoying.

Federalism will Never work in Somalia. Just look at Faroole and how he's acting. Multiply that by teen and what well have is a disaster.

What about ciilkaambi MMA?

Why would you wish such a horrible thing on anyone?

Dr_Osman;829430 wrote: The constitution will be amended currently it stands against the garowe principles I and II and is totally against the spirit of federalism. It's unconstitutional and will be challenged all the way to the high court of Somalia. Puntland will continue to strive for the somali people!!! No more centralism and abadoning the whole nation just for one city. Those days are gone!!! You don't know what Somalia means my friend. You haven't got the ability to see beyond your tuulo. You should take Duke as your example when it comes to these issues.

General Duke;829332 wrote: Nonsense on the part of the Faroole admin. They are making much ado about nothing. The central government must have correct powers and that regulate the nation. General I'm glad you are seeing things with a level head. What the Faroole admin seems to be seeking is a confed eracy not federalism. Bravo to the Prime Minister of Somalia, Mr Gaas. He spoke like a true leader. We will leave the transition,whether the spoilers like it or not.