Monday, 29 September 2008 Secretary General of the United Nations (UN) The Presidents of the African Union (AU), Uganda and Burundi The Secretary General of the League of Arab States The Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) Heads of Concerned region and international human rights organizations Your Excellencies: As you have been following the latest crisis in Somalia, I regret to inform you that for the last week, AMISOM has been using tanks and heavy artillery indiscriminately against the population of Mogadishu. As a result, according to the latest estimates, over 100 people, including children, women, and elderly have been killed; more than 300 others have been wounded, and about 3000 have fled their homes, where the Ethiopian troops and the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) militias have been looting their homes. Before this time, committing this type of massacre has been limited to the Ethiopian occupation troops and the TFG militias. However, it is now apparent that AMISOM is also adopting this evil practice. The latest carnage is a clear indication that AMISOM is assisting Ethiopia to achieve its objective of occupying Somalia and denying the Somali people their fundamental rights of life, liberty and property. AMISOM spokesman has claimed that the troops were defending themselves from the attack of some insurgent group(s)!! But the available evidence regarding the directions and the distance of the shelling does not support this argument. It is obvious that AMISOM had used unnecessary force and targeted heavily populated quarters and markets far away from the fighting area(s) which can only be taken as a deliberate mass killing. Since AMISOM had not come with the consent of the Somali people, lately, we have been spending a significant amount of time and efforts to convince our people to accept AMISOM as a peace keeping force, but the latest terror has seriously damaged the image and the mission of AMISON in Somalia. Moreover, it will most likely have a profound negative effect on the on-going UN brokered talks in Djibouti. We consider this AMISOM action as a war crime; therefore, we urgently request the UN as well as AU to send an impartial fact find mission at the earliest possible time to investigate these atrocities and swiftly bring the culprits to justice. Shaikh Sharif Shaikh Ahmed Chairman, ARS "…We might demand from IGAD states not to have international forces intervene in Somalia…There is no need for international forces in Somalia. The problem is ended. The Somali people are living in safety and (peace)..."

i believe the politics section is a better indication of who would marry their daughter to who and who wouldn't.

Originally posted by cynical lady: Stuff and nonsense. chatbaris.com

Originally posted by Suldaanka: quote:Originally posted by ThankfulSP: Laascaanod Suldaanka, Yassin Juma report from Lascaanod has uncovered the truth about what is going on in the city. NW Somalia's media and admin can no longer try and present their version of what is going on. Yassin Juma show's that even he who is a reporter, needed to enter the city under heavy security and at night. That there is milita surrounding the whole city on stand by. He only stayed in the town for 2 hours. He show's even though Habsaades NW Somalia allied militia is in controlled, people are divided on who they wish to be a part of. This video has exposed the truth that you were trying to hide. For starters, Laascaanood has always been a military garrison, going back to the days when Puntland melitia used to maraud around the streets killing people at their own will and watching insecurity go out of hand. During those days under Puntland melita no one would down the streets of Laascaanood unless he carried a AK47 or was on top of clan-operated armed technical. Those days are gone. Since Somaliland took over Laascaanood, security has improved considerably. You can see it on the streets. You will not find a single civilian that is carrying weapons on the streets. And now people can walk down without the fear that some inter-local-clanish fight will break at any time. Like I said before, the military you see inside Laascaanood now was not there just couple of months ago. This military was brought to fight the menace of terrorism. They will leave as soon as the security improves. wow,wow, this guy is a true spindoctor. kulaha, lasanod has always been a military garrision and "no one would down the streets of Laascaanood unless he carried a AK47 or was on top of clan-operated armed technical". What a load of b.s.

Originally posted by ElPunto: ^Is that a yes you're right khalas or a stop bombarding me khalas? I'm sure Xiin won't stop till he adds your scalp to his trophy case. Akhi, Imam Shafi'i said he never debated anyone unless he wanted them to become guided and so that they could both seek the truth. I have no problems about being wrong and having my scalp paraded, for the truth is binding upon all of us.My position on this subject is actually not that far off from Xiins position(ie. his last post on Qaradawi). Having said that, brother LX did cite ulema like Albani, Alawan and Humaid as sources for his position. Believe me, there are also other scholars, especially those outside of Saudi and more affected by this phenomena, who also share his position. I am not going to go googling for their fatawas on this subject, but, trust me, they do exist. So do you not think you that it is somewhat misleading of the starter of this "debate" to start making exaggerating and emotional claims like this: " Keligii Muslims have no Muslim scholars to cite for their murderous acts. As Sheikh Uthayman says they are angry lot who would do anything to avenge regardless of whether it’s permissible or not. That is what that really is "?

there was this big commotion at the mosque(before the friday khutba) when the committee mentioned something about voting for so and so. some almuhajiroun got up and started screaming it is "haram, shirk, kufr, fear allah," . Personally, I would go for Lib Dems. how can any somali person vote tory :confused: ps. banning khat would turn the leaf into the somali version of cocaine. i can never see it working in the uk somali population. ps2.what's up with this page?

President Riyale in 2030

most of the games are usually terrible though. tell me when the final comes.

OK. Khalas.

^^ Alabanee( even though conflicting statements are attributed to him about this issue) is not a scholar, miya? Yusuf Qardawi is not a scholar? Are they endorsing "murderous acts" too? Now, I am not saying that Uthaymeen or Ibn Baz are wrong since i'm not in a position to do so as a laymen, but it is a fact other shuyukh that disagree with them can be cited, particularly in the lands where this issue affected the most. To say that the other side can not cite any scholars to support their argument is a grossly misleading statement to make. So can you demonstrate why the scholars you are posting are correct and the others are completely wrong on this issue or will you keep posting cherry-picked fatawas ?

After lengthy research and scientific behavioural analysis of Somalis,Sheikhspeare Fabregas ibn Cushitawi, the Somaliaonline thoroughbred Islamic peace activist, has come to the conclusion that some segments of Somali society are suffering from what the sheikhspeare has diagnosed as the "The Ku Lax Klan syndrome". This groundbreaking research could change the way Somalis view themselves on the interworld. Cushitic media explains: The black lax lives as a minority in the world of the white lax. A war between dotted black laxs and stripped blacks laxs destroyed their own land. The culture and power of the white lax is far more dominant. The flaws and crimes of the black are highlighted by the white lax media. This makes the black lax feel as though they actively need to change the image of their own lax. Black lax starts to imitate and act out the culture of the white lax. However, the white lax media blames the black lax as a whole community for the errors of a minority. Black Lax feels that, no matter how much they try to integrate, assimilate and imitate, the white lax overwhelmingly sees the black lax as part of the black lax culture. Due to frustration and pain, the black lax, then, engages in a process of self hatred, vilification, mocking, ridicule and chastisment of other black laxs. Some may go so far as trying note to intermingle or make friends with black laxs. In the end the black lax becomes more xenophobic to fellow Black laxs then the most xenophobic of white laxs. The black lax are men of the cloth and not men of the spirit, as Mumia Abu Jamal explains

Originally posted by Maaddeey: ^^Which Scholars? Like the one in Burco who started to refute alshabab, but then it was reported some people attacked him with clubs. ( ok. i shouldn't laugh).

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Abu Fargaas, adeer this is xamlah cilmiyyah. Feel like you wanna debate? well come onboard. Haddii kale, open another thread in Politics section and compile xiin's previous positions, and I will respond Sheikh, I don't think there is much of a debate going on in this thread. All of the muslims`are in consensus that killing oneself is completely prohibited in islam. There is obviously no dispute about this. However, there is a difference of opinion between the scholars about the modern day act we are discussing in this thread, LX quotes and your quotation clearly highlight this conflict of interpretation. This is all you have proved so far and many of us are already aware of the position of the scholars you posted. Now, the burden is on you to prove or convincingly demonstrate that the position of the scholars you are posting is closer to the truth or more Islamic than the ones LX quoted. I think this would make for a more interesting debate; otherwise, this whole thread will become a post a fatwa shootout between you and LX. ps. Kashafa is probably away researching the sol database and compiling a book about your posts.

Originally posted by Peacenow: These Indian are mules. Students? They don't fool anyone. They come under that guise so they can settle an breed and breed. Deport them all back to India. Are you part of the ku LAX KLAN by any chance?

Xiinfaanin, If remember correctly you were not so concerned about the theological arguments surrounding the shababs suicide attacks against the Ethiopians forces. So why the sudden need to selectively quote certain Ulema who are against it, now that the political climate has changed?

Originally posted by Jacphar: ^Do you go around telling people they stepped in the left foot first when entering the majsid, thus become Murtad? He shaved, dressed in a suit and threw away the cimaama. Big deal. Huge problem. The end of the world. Sign of the time. Dajaal is here. No, brother, we only make takfir on those who wear liverpool shirts and those who wear skinny jeans. ps. nice try at spindoctoring. try to come up with something more original next time, matey.

After Shariff compromised to have a secular makeover, and he was turned into a beardless, anti shariah, pro occupation, sharp suited, fitna creating, muslim dividing, warmongering, two tongued speaker, and a cimamadless, Xabashi appeasing, unrecognisable figure from yestyear; indeed, it seems those who used him for their own purposes are ready to discard him today. They( his western backers, the atheists, the ultra seculars and the misguided muslims tribalists) allege that he has not changed enough, that the man is too soft against the Islamists and thus he is not ruthless enough for the game. The words from one Somali atheist highlight this fact: QUOTE]Originally posted by Raamsade: Lets not forget that Sh. Shariif was himself part of this Jihad madness only a couple or so years ago. Although he has toned down the Jihad or the religious rhetoric he employed while a member of the UIC... I suspect he still has a soft spot for his erstwhile allies now turned sworn enemies. How else can one explain his calls for negotiations with people who blew Madina Hotel in Beledweyne killing and maiming nearly a 100 people? I'm afraid Sh. Shariif simply doesn't possess the right stuff the occasion calls. In another time, he would perhaps make a good leader. Not today though. What Somalia needs today is savvy, pragmatic and at the same time ruthless and opportunistic leader willing to play both soft and hard in dealing with the Jihadi miscreants. Fa Qalla tacala: Surah 7:175-177 Relate to them the story of the man to whom We sent Our signs, but he passed them by: so Satan followed him up, and he went astray. If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect. Evil as an example are people who reject Our signs and wrong their own souls.

all ibtisam could do was talk about correlations and statisticalthingybalayo, whereas the dhagax brought compelling somali evidence like a second person account of a sheikhs words on universal tv. dhagax won hands down.

sheheraza, late one, but thanks. ps. how about laxox and liver

^^OK. next time I see a beardo buying some boxers from primark, i'll report him, just in case he is planning to do something nuts.

Where have you been? religious profiling of Muslim males has been happening for a long time now. Males with Arabic or muslims names are routinely questioned at UK airports( for example) and sometimes held up for hours. How far do you want to take it though?

Where is mr Ahmed Godane from?lol

Originally posted by LayZie G.: North said: quote: Calling Somalis rats? I knew you lacked basic comprehension but I pray that the day will come when you fully gasp the same truth. On the matter of the poster and what he said and didn't say is there for all to read. What he did not say is that SOmalis were rats or gypsys, quite the contrary, he said he would rather be a rat or a gypsy than be a Somali, which is not the same thing however many times you convince yourself that is what he said ya NORTH.

WHat goes around, comes around. The grave worshiping mushriks and their Ethiopian lackeys will get their turn too.

lol@niggerised. you do have a point though.