^^ I agree sometimes situations can be tough but I fail to see how this applies to the developed world (Europe, North America etc)? With all the emergency contraception available, with a functioning health system there should be no excuse for abortion at all regardless of the situation. Advancement in contraceptive methods should be able to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. This is assuming women and girls are educated enough about their choices.

Che, a friend of mine who works in a health centre was telling me last year that a high number of Somali women use abortion as a form of contraception, and its not young lost girls, but grown married women who just can't seem to deal with it. That aside, in the UK over half of the women who choose to abort are over 30. Most cases for abortion seem to be as a result of recklessness. Morality aside, who can prove the exact moment the nerves of the fetus function and it can feel pain? No one. Originally posted by Nephthys: How about rape victims? If the mother wishes to abort, then her wish should be granted, yes? Those cases are rare, besides, in this day and age, in our parts of the world, there are now many forms of emergency contraception and morning after pills that it wouldn't need to get to that stage. Aaliyah, I agree with you 100%. Buuxo, I didn't just read that :eek:

JB, have fun and take lots of pics, it will be really pretty with all the Xmas lights up . I'A it will go smoothly for you. Have a save trip.

Ina Adeer/Ina Abti Ok, I don’t get the whole Ina who thing, clearly it’s not only your cousins who can say this to you and also ppl who share tribes with either your mum or dad but why would random people say this and is it politically correct? And is one more of something than the other? Basically, in what other contexts can ppl use the above words?

Kids are desperate to be adults, this is not the way. It's appalling adults choose the easy way of handing out contraception to address the issue.

^Not Ok, anyways, I feel sorry for him. It must be sad to know so little.

^^^LoooL From next week I'm off for 10 days as well to an undisclosed location . Nomad, come London, you'll have a great time.

Ghanima, who told you to do anything economics related? JB, as tempting as that is I need a realistic non-physical injury inflicting way of cutting down his ego. I have tried to avoid a confrontation, I know he is in the wrong but he is begging to be slapped.

LoL@MingSing This man wants to pick a fight with me, ya u sheego for his sake to leave me alone? I want to send him a virus disguised as work-related stuff.

Zenobia, Waxa, raaxo loo diidayaa, waa rag! ha ha ha. I never knew we had our own version of this sort of song, a bit sing songy laakin. p.s. I just saw the video Zenobia, it's halarious, the song should be called 'how many pokes to the head can a Farax take?' loooool.

LayZie, adigana yaa ka dhigay matchmaker? Lord have mercy! Johnny is getting a lot of publicity, even lazy is getting excited. Had he not consumed so many beers and run a little faster he could have made the cab. Oh well, at least you know it’s not because you’re from an inconvenient tribe.

I have decided that being kind is not worth it.

^^Very interesting. Isn't that a watered down version of clanisim? The comment about the convenient clan I mean? Kind of like one will only understand their 'own' ppl?

LooooL@Val, only I thought she was going to use the belt on him, oh well...

I was thinking of going tonight as well. Isn't it on Somali Women's Literature?

^^Miss D&D, we wouldn't mind hearing it missy. Skipper, thanks for your brotherly concern, it appears I’m lucky to have come across the rarer breed of Faraxs who enjoy the company of women who hold such views, so to your dissapointment, I am indeed getting somewhere.

Because if you were more into islam you would have known that that "Oblige your man" is one of the things a a good muslim woman should do. Wara Skipper, I will oblige him when he obliges me. The Point, 30 year old woman can have 10 children before the age of 40 if she so chooses. What's your point ? LooooL@Serenity Ghanima, reminds me of how many little girls are told by their daddy's, amongst other things, to study hard, to go to univeristy, to make something of their life 'sido nin xuun kuu gumaysan abo'. Damn right the dads were too. So Ghanima, what have you been up to lately?

^^^ Wiligey ma maqlin, care to elaborate ppl p.s. Tuujiye, you really should come with a warning sign.

Let me be bold about this! The crux of the issue gents and ladies is that many who wants to marry someone of “high calibre” is someone who is not happy with the way they have been brought up. Complete rubbish, since every parent will tell you they want a better life for their children than they had. They would advice their sons and daughters to find spouses that are at least on their ‘level’ and on the same ‘wave length’ if not better. What parent wouldn’t? What parent would advice their child to go for a less than ideal partner and to just live with it? Anyhow, coming back to the point squarely this is an apparent phenomena as most of the educated guys are on paper “westernised” but their thinking remains to be SOMALI as such their outlook in life is completely at odds with their credentials. As such, they marry women whom they emotionally share with this “Somaliness”. On the other hand, the ladies seem to embrace this new life if you will. Their education and career leads them to shrug off these assumed “Somaliness” Another baseless assumption. Reading textbooks by dead old white men and obtaining a certificate to prove it does not make one loose their ‘Somaliness’. If this assumed ‘Somaliness’ is refusal to be dominated, put down and taken advantage of, then most certainly they can do without it. Also, why would any educated guy in early 30s marry a career woman with similar age? If he is successful and has the monetary power to take care of a family he has a rich pickings of 21-24 years university educated hijabified Somali girls who would be happy to oblige his offer provided he is a smooth operator! What makes you think any career-orientated Xalimo would want to be with such a Farax whose sole aim is to oppose her career aspiration and to ‘oblige’ him to begin with? Isn't she trying to avoid such a man? And since when do hajibified sisters have no career aspirations? What makes you think these young things will not have the same ambitions as their older sisters? It's comical if not tragic to see so many Farax’s on this forum advocating the ‘you will get old and useless at the height of your life, 30+ if you don’t settle for the 1st Farax that comes round. Now! Immediately!’ mentality. It all reeks of insecurity. We must be the only nation in the world to complain of an 'epidemic' of educated, successful and single women. Someone please find us a cure fast!

The Strange One/Zafir I will sue you for defamation. You shall hear from my lawyers promptly. p.s. just thought I should return the favour, gabar aan ku hele, laakin xooga badow waye, which should be perfect in these times of anti-intelligence Xalimos...

How incredibly simplistic to assume the one thing that will sway a woman's decision regarding a man will be a degree. As Zenobia suggested, there are millions of Somali women who haven't had the opportunity for education, are you complaining about the few thousands who were lucky enough to have a chance at education and possibly a career? Perhaps the question should be why are Farax's intimidated by smart sisters?

Now look what you've done Zafir :mad:

Sheh, I'm not sure of the heels on those shoes, but these look wearable...

I'm very grateful for this Friday. What country Sheh?

Cara very funny. Rudy must be enjoying his celebrity status. I wonder if Ngonge is getting paid.